Heaths Flooded Tube Vertical

Heath Robinson said:

Good questions AeroKing,

I could add misters very easily but I wont as there would be little to no advantage and would make a simple design complicated.

The vert is cooled with a single room fan laid on its back pointing upwards I will show it in later pics.

The 600w bulbs are the most efficient thats why I use them. On this grow I will be using the Sunpulse Metal Halide bulbs throughout the grow not the one shown in the pics. The furthest point away from the bulb is 2 ft so obviously as the plants grow the distance to the bulb will reduce.

I have a couple of ways of supporting the buds I have hooks all the way round the top of the vert so I could tie them up or I can simply fit a screen or netting for them to grow through.

I am an old hand at these systems and recirculating systems so I have found that I dont need any additional oxygenation.

The room temps are at 72f so at the moment I dont think I will need a chiller to keep the nutrient temps low.

hope that helps.

Heath

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you should do the 600 for weeks 1-4 and the 1000w for weeks 5-8.
They might get to close to. you should tie them back or putt some lines going around so they dont fall forward.(They Might Get To Heavy) Does the water run through the pipes 24 hours?

i will definatly be watching

if a company would manufacture that "wall garden" but with a larger internal chamber, like 2 ft thick... then all a person would have to do is put HP aero sprayers in there, and it would be game over....

it would be the most effecient way to grow a plant per watt... hands down

Heath, beautiful grow! How tall above the floor did your canopy reach at its highest?

Anyone find a US source for the orange pipes?

Dillinger said:

Heath, beautiful grow! How tall above the floor did your canopy reach at its highest?

Anyone find a US source for the orange pipes?

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the pipes are pretty standard Home Depot 4" PVC i believe

squarepush3r said:

the pipes are pretty standard Home Depot 4" PVC i believe

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They are PVCu or soil PVC with self sealing joints. They make a leak proof assembly that is easy to put together and take apart. Standard PVC requires glue as a joint sealant and have the potential to leak at the seams more readily than PVCu.

Anyone have a US source?

Probably one of the most innovative designs in years... thre may be some kinks to work out... like heavy cola restraining system.

For short haeavy indicas, this could be the holy grail.... great job...

A couple more Q's for you Heath.

Do you think that the roots were at all cramped in the 4"? I can get the dirt pipe in 4, 5 and 6 inch diameters and just wondering if yield could be increased with one of the larger diameter pipes.

I'm curious about how much water is in the pipes when fully loaded. If you open all the dams, does the 10 gal reservoir hold all the water that was in the pipes?

Thanks again for this wonderful thread. I'm inspired to build one of these!

hey people i'm no pro but have used soil or waste pipes as they are commonly know here in the uk they can be bought in most diy stores and at just about any decent builders merchants they simply push together with a rubber o ring on the inside to create a water tight seal the rubber o ring as i have seen a few of you refer to it as is also called a rubber flange not much point to this just thought it may help any1 looking for it seriousy guys try your builders merchants or yards, by the way heath awsome mate i may be doing some converting after this + rep for an awsome job never seen anything like it before especially with simple parts that can be bought down the road from me

I've read through this thread twice from start to finish, Heaths grows are simply amazing, to get the yields he's achieving with a single 600, and low EC's is awesome. He clearly post more than enough information for even the most green of novies to duplicate this system, and we all know his pics prove his results. The only question i have on the entire process, or set up is the top. In post 102, the absolute last pic, the top almost seems to have a dome like shape to. Is this the case or just my eyes playing tricks on me. Is infact the top closed, or does it remain open? Once i work out this last detail i will begin to assemble my own flooded tube vert from all the info in this thread. Heath, you the man brother, thanks for sharing all this with us.

god damn do I hate threads that are this fucking long.......... Cool ass mother fucking grow, but all I want is to see some pix of the plants in the vert grow..... Anybody at all know what pages have pix??? Cuz I'm not about to go through 74 pages of nonsense.....

Nice job mate.

click this link first so that you can follow what im about to say...

http://www.lowes.com/pd_98360-84240-03911%252F6_0_?productId=3048138&Ntt=recycling&Ntk=i_products&pl=1&currentURL=/pl__0__s?newSearch=true$Ntt=recycling

i was walking around lowes tonight, and saw these...

while these may not be ideal, here is my basic idea...

get a vertical chamber, that is a couple feet deep.

put plant sites on the front of the chamber, and put sprayers on the back wall of the chamber, and have all the aero hosing outside the back wall of the chamber.. (so its cool and out of the light and not in the chamber so its easy access)

while these bins picured above obviously dont have a HOLE the size of a net pot...

im looking for something that does, or perhaps an adaper piece of plastic that i could attach to a verticle chamber.

point is... high pressure aero is the best of the best.

so why not combine this great verticle idea, with hp aero?

the verticle chambers could be wider and deeper than those silly tubs i linked...

and the sides of the verticle can be wedged in shape, so that when you sit all the verticle chambers next to eachother, they form a circle or octagon, whatever.

and you put one on rollers, and that way it is your door to enter the circle, and all the others can be stationary.

none of the chambers bottoms will be on the ground... they will have legs or a stand so that their excess water can drain and gravity feed back to the main res.

you put one big fat drain pipe that spirals around the full circle one time, going under each chamber.

Each chamber would have a drain bulkhead fitting, and a hose or pipe that gravity feeds to the main pipe that spirals one time, and ends back at the main res.

then you have a hp aero pump, and have 4 mist sprayers in a vertical line up the backwall of the vertical chambers.

each vertical would be about 5 ft high, and have 4 or 5 layers of rows for plants.

if someone was good with fiberglass or molds, this would be a great product to market and sell because its like legos...

you can buy one vertical, and keep adding more and more until you have a complete circle, then do it again, and make more circles.

Im also for making it taller than heaths, and putting in 2 600 watt bulbs per circle...

one about 3 ft off the ground, and the other about 6 ft off the ground.

the lights would have a compound effect on plants because youd have all the success heaths does, plus even more light than before.

plus you could then take the tube higher, and maximize square footage of the footprint of this setup and yeild and weight of buds.

now someone who is good with fiberglass make this so i dont go waste even more time and money on shit that i know someone can do better than me

if anyone knows where i can get a zigzag plastic piece, for the inside wall that faces the light...

i can get flat plastic pvc panel for the other 3 walls of the chamber...

but the wall the plants set in has to be stair stepped with the zig zag shape for each level of plants, so that the netpots sit almost level on each teir

let me know...

If its aero you are interested in there is no need to invent anything. Stinkbuddies has it all figured out for you. Just follow the plan.

HookdOnChronics said:

god damn do I hate threads that are this fucking long.......... Cool ass mother fucking grow, but all I want is to see some pix of the plants in the vert grow..... Anybody at all know what pages have pix??? Cuz I'm not about to go through 74 pages of nonsense.....

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Yeah - look at pages 1 - 60. That should save you some time

Dillinger said:

If its aero you are interested in there is no need to invent anything. Stinkbuddies has it all figured out for you. Just follow the plan.

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wow, it blows my mind when people get arrogant and think they are going to correct someone...

and they themselves have no clue whats going on.

i have stinkbuds system. It is not aero.

He calls it that and stupid people believe it.

HP aero, is exactly what its called, high pressure. It creates mist. Fine microns.

The only way to create fine micron mist is to exceed 40psi of line pressure thought a special nozzle.

Fish tank pumps stinkbud uses... 3psi.

Sprayers stinkbud uses... cant create mist or fine microns.

The tubes stinkbud uses... completely defeat the purpose of true aero mist, and real aeroponic roots cant grow in those tubes because the tubes are too tight.

True aero, the roots get over a foot in diameter, and several ft long, and the mist has to be able to land on this pom pom root mass from all directions.

This requires a large chamber around the roots.

Why dont you stop correcting people who have systems that make stinkbuds look like a happy meal toy, and listen instead.

My apologies sherriberry - didn't realize you are so sensitive. Wipe that tear and take a deep breath.

Dillinger said:

My apologies sherriberry - didn't realize you are so sensitive. Wipe that tear and take a deep breath.

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dont worry, there were no tears.

id stop worrying about giving advice of any kind to anyone, because apparently you have a hard time processing the world around you correctly.

theres a word for what you are, but we will see if you can figure it out on your own.

Alright, sorry for so many pics at once, i was drawing some stuff and got carried away.
These are TOP views of areo chamber shapes. I would make the curved walls out of pvc sheets which come in 4x8 sheets, and can be cut easily.
These chambers would be about 4 or 5 ft tall, and have an area under them and have a rigid stand at the base and up on top to keep them in shape.
Under the chambers, there would be a shower bladder as sold at lowes, which comes in any length you want, and its prob 4 feet wide. This bladder would be sandwiched and secured between the bottom frame and the pvc walls, so all water running down would hit the bladder.
The bladder will have a bulkhead drain fitting, and gravity drain to a main pipe that comes around under each chamber, and ends at the res.

In one of the pictures, the orange boxes are the res's, and the orange arrows signify the flow of the drain pipe.

The drain pipe would be similar to what heath already has set up, just no plants growing out of it

As far as securing the platns to the vertical walls, i have a solution, but i dont have a way to picture it,a nd describing it wouldnt make much sense until i can picture it, but it involves using a pvc pipe, and dilling a hole in the wall, and using a 45deg pipe bend, and putting the netpot in the pipe, and having the other end of the pipe go through the wall.

Securing it is the tricky part, but ive got it figured out i think

Inside the chambers, there will be hp aero misters.

I drew up a bunch of configureations, but i like the ones at the bottom the best.

The red squares at the bottom represent additional floor sitting rubbermaids, which would have plants growing up from those as well, so you have walls and floor covered.

green represents faces of the chamber that have plants frowing from them.

to enter some of the grow rooms, if a single chamber was on wheels, it could be clocked, or rotated, thus allowing a person to enter the grow circle.

im still trying to figure out if i want to build a fram that has a curve to it, and what i would make it out of.

The curve actually helps the pvc sheet stay rigid vertically, kind of like tape measure tape does.

hope this helps you guys follow what im trying to do.