Heaths Flooded Tube Vertical
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beginningbotanist420
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And how often do you have to refill it?
Thundercat
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Awesome Heath, freakin awesome! lol
Hi heath been reading through your critical mass and this vert grow for the last day, you really have everything dialed in to get the maximum. Inspiration man!
Im new to growing but been researching loads so im sorry if the questions sound daft
Iv just noted down a few questions if you dont mind me asking you
1. Doesnt the roots drown if the water is touching the bottom of the net cup.
2. How old are the clones when you put them into veg, do you need all the roots to be touching the bottom of the net pot for them to be able to feed or does the splash of the water reach them.
3. What medium do you use for the clones, do you then just put whatever medium your using in with the clay pebbles.
4. If all the water is constantly being re flushed round, how do you know when to add more water and more nutes, this one i dont understand.
5. What is the outside dimensions of the setup and what shape is it, is it a box and then youve got the angles in the middle of the room or does the outside have the angles.
6. Do you use anything to extract to like a carbon filter, what about intake. I read that you have a fan at the bottom blowing up is this your intake.
7. Your room 6ft x 9ft with one 600watt, if you wanted to use 2x 600 watt what would be the best way to lay it out, what size would you want to go up to and would you place your bulbs under each other on a metal line or at the side of each other etc
8. I read that your hoping to get 2lbs/pw. If you changed the dimensions to something in longer length like 15ft long and 6 ft wide, would you still hope for the same amount of yield with the necessary amount of extra lights needed, if so how many 600watts would you think would go nice in a room that size.
9. Would Co2 be a good extra for this setup. What would be your best way of using it
10. When you say you change the nutrients every 2 weeks do get rid of all the old water and replace with new or just keep the old water and add more nutes.
11. How manys rows you got and what are the spaces between each one
12. Did you just use a holesaw for the net pot holes, did you drill these at a slight angle.
13. Whats a bypass on the pump
14. What would be the best method in terms of yields, growing them small and bushy or going for big colas.
15. How long was they veging for before you put them into flowering.
Wow alot of questions, hope you done mind heath.
MCD
Im new to growing but been researching loads so im sorry if the questions sound daft
Iv just noted down a few questions if you dont mind me asking you
1. Doesnt the roots drown if the water is touching the bottom of the net cup.
2. How old are the clones when you put them into veg, do you need all the roots to be touching the bottom of the net pot for them to be able to feed or does the splash of the water reach them.
3. What medium do you use for the clones, do you then just put whatever medium your using in with the clay pebbles.
4. If all the water is constantly being re flushed round, how do you know when to add more water and more nutes, this one i dont understand.
5. What is the outside dimensions of the setup and what shape is it, is it a box and then youve got the angles in the middle of the room or does the outside have the angles.
6. Do you use anything to extract to like a carbon filter, what about intake. I read that you have a fan at the bottom blowing up is this your intake.
7. Your room 6ft x 9ft with one 600watt, if you wanted to use 2x 600 watt what would be the best way to lay it out, what size would you want to go up to and would you place your bulbs under each other on a metal line or at the side of each other etc
8. I read that your hoping to get 2lbs/pw. If you changed the dimensions to something in longer length like 15ft long and 6 ft wide, would you still hope for the same amount of yield with the necessary amount of extra lights needed, if so how many 600watts would you think would go nice in a room that size.
9. Would Co2 be a good extra for this setup. What would be your best way of using it
10. When you say you change the nutrients every 2 weeks do get rid of all the old water and replace with new or just keep the old water and add more nutes.
11. How manys rows you got and what are the spaces between each one
12. Did you just use a holesaw for the net pot holes, did you drill these at a slight angle.
13. Whats a bypass on the pump
14. What would be the best method in terms of yields, growing them small and bushy or going for big colas.
15. How long was they veging for before you put them into flowering.
Wow alot of questions, hope you done mind heath.
MCD
smoke and coke
Well-Known Member
lol was alot a questions. you want him to go to your house and grow it for you.Hi heath been reading through your critical mass and this vert grow for the last day, you really have everything dialed in to get the maximum. Inspiration man!
Im new to growing but been researching loads so im sorry if the questions sound daft
Iv just noted down a few questions if you dont mind me asking you
1. Doesnt the roots drown if the water is touching the bottom of the net cup.
2. How old are the clones when you put them into veg, do you need all the roots to be touching the bottom of the net pot for them to be able to feed or does the splash of the water reach them.
3. What medium do you use for the clones, do you then just put whatever medium your using in with the clay pebbles.
4. If all the water is constantly being re flushed round, how do you know when to add more water and more nutes, this one i dont understand.
5. What is the outside dimensions of the setup and what shape is it, is it a box and then youve got the angles in the middle of the room or does the outside have the angles.
6. Do you use anything to extract to like a carbon filter, what about intake. I read that you have a fan at the bottom blowing up is this your intake.
7. Your room 6ft x 9ft with one 600watt, if you wanted to use 2x 600 watt what would be the best way to lay it out, what size would you want to go up to and would you place your bulbs under each other on a metal line or at the side of each other etc
8. I read that your hoping to get 2lbs/pw. If you changed the dimensions to something in longer length like 15ft long and 6 ft wide, would you still hope for the same amount of yield with the necessary amount of extra lights needed, if so how many 600watts would you think would go nice in a room that size.
9. Would Co2 be a good extra for this setup. What would be your best way of using it
10. When you say you change the nutrients every 2 weeks do get rid of all the old water and replace with new or just keep the old water and add more nutes.
11. How manys rows you got and what are the spaces between each one
12. Did you just use a holesaw for the net pot holes, did you drill these at a slight angle.
13. Whats a bypass on the pump
14. What would be the best method in terms of yields, growing them small and bushy or going for big colas.
15. How long was they veging for before you put them into flowering.
Wow alot of questions, hope you done mind heath.
MCD
just kidding id like to hear some of the answer also.
....I'm not sure but I think Heath takes his new cuttings for the next grow at 2 weeks into the 12/12 flower cycle and roots them in a seperate bubbler system.
I don't think this a perpetual system so how to go about getting the original 84 cuttings I'm still trying to figure
My biggest grow is 3 full size plants so my knowledge of this style grow is pretty limited. I've got a m8 with some girlies and was thinking of asking him for 5 cuttings. If I grow them for a month, I should be able to get 80 odd cuttings from them ( I think
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I don't think this a perpetual system so how to go about getting the original 84 cuttings I'm still trying to figure
My biggest grow is 3 full size plants so my knowledge of this style grow is pretty limited. I've got a m8 with some girlies and was thinking of asking him for 5 cuttings. If I grow them for a month, I should be able to get 80 odd cuttings from them ( I think
)i was being sarcastic mate i know how he gets the cutting....I'm not sure but I think Heath takes his new cuttings for the next grow at 2 weeks into the 12/12 flower cycle and roots them in a seperate bubbler system.
I don't think this a perpetual system so how to go about getting the original 84 cuttings I'm still trying to figure
My biggest grow is 3 full size plants so my knowledge of this style grow is pretty limited. I've got a m8 with some girlies and was thinking of asking him for 5 cuttings. If I grow them for a month, I should be able to get 80 odd cuttings from them ( I think
How long do you veg your plants for 2can
So far I've only grown from seeds, never tried cuttings. I've got 3 small grows under me belt, vegging all for 2 months, chucking the males out & then flowering for 2 months ... just like the book told me
After seeing Heaths awesome setup it's got me wanting to give vert a go ( vertigo?? ... I aint afriad of no heights LOL ). I've spent the last month reading as much as I can and reckon Heath deserves an OBE for his sharing.
Starting from fresh the only thing I'm not sure on is how many mums it take to get 86 cuttings. I was thinking maybe 5-10 cuttings, vegging for 2 months with regular topping so they branch out. That should hopefully get 12 or so cuttings from each mum after 2 months of vegging. I'm a real beginner so don't really know about this bit.
Once system's up & running I take the new cuttings 2 weeks into the 12 hour cycle & won't need the big mums anymore. It'd take 6 months for my 1st harvest due to my lack of clones - that be right?
After seeing Heaths awesome setup it's got me wanting to give vert a go ( vertigo?? ... I aint afriad of no heights LOL ). I've spent the last month reading as much as I can and reckon Heath deserves an OBE for his sharing.
Starting from fresh the only thing I'm not sure on is how many mums it take to get 86 cuttings. I was thinking maybe 5-10 cuttings, vegging for 2 months with regular topping so they branch out. That should hopefully get 12 or so cuttings from each mum after 2 months of vegging. I'm a real beginner so don't really know about this bit.
Once system's up & running I take the new cuttings 2 weeks into the 12 hour cycle & won't need the big mums anymore. It'd take 6 months for my 1st harvest due to my lack of clones - that be right?
jeffisdreaming
Active Member
Wow, I'm so subscribed... Heath, thanks so much for taking the time to answer all these questions, it's much appreciated and it's so refreshing to see knowledgeable people willing to help others while getting nothing in return. I have all the same questions as 2Can does and I'm anxiously awaiting the answers... And I have a couple of my own...
1- i was thinking about a 4ft 6in by 6ft 4in with 4 levels. Would 2 x 400watt work or would I need 2 x 600w and what would be the difference in yield?
2- would i be crazy to put this setup in a hydrobhut and try to pull a grow like this off in an apartment in an urban environment? Can all that smell and noise be taken care of?
1- i was thinking about a 4ft 6in by 6ft 4in with 4 levels. Would 2 x 400watt work or would I need 2 x 600w and what would be the difference in yield?
2- would i be crazy to put this setup in a hydrobhut and try to pull a grow like this off in an apartment in an urban environment? Can all that smell and noise be taken care of?
smartsoverambition
Well-Known Member
coming along very nicely man
WhiteWilly
Active Member
Dude you should work for NASA.....or do you? 
Heath Robinson
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GypsyBush, Thundercat, smoke and coke, doniawon, 2 Can, smartsoverambition, WhiteWilly and Otacon. Thank you all for your comments i hope you all stick with me till the end.
Hi holmes, I didnt like how the coli was supposed to run drain to waste, or the amount of perlite you had to use i helped convert one to a recirculating system with an external res and it worked much better.
OregonMeds and smoke and coke, the plants would survive for many days in the event of a pump failure, the tubes are flooded to the bottom of the net pots so there is quite a lot of water in each tube. The cost for everything excluding light and ballast was £500.
The adjustable collars are there because I like to experiment and they allow me to run the tubes full or empty, they dont need to be adjustable though because the best way to run the system is flooded to the bottom of the pots. This could be done with a dam which wasnt adjustable. The secret is to recirculate the nutrients quickly and then there will be plenty of DO due to the water surface to air contact. If you want to run it as an nft system then there would be no need for the collars.
Thanks Hulk Nugs, I dont need mothers as the cuttings are taken from the plants in the vertical about two weeks into flower.
Hi boonie and beginningbotanist420, the res is quite small probably 10 gallon or something like. It is topped up automatically from the mains supply. If you couldnt do that then the res would have to be bigger.
sparat1k, yes I take off unwanted leaves and small weak shoots throughout the grow until about the 4th week of flower.
MCD
1, Not if you have enough Dissolved Oxygen (DO) in the system.
2, The cuttings are used in this grow were 3 weeks old grown in 1 inch rockwool blocks. I place them into the netpot and fill with hydroton. The water level in the tube touches the bottom of the net pot so there is no problem of them drying out.
3, 1 inch rockwool blocks.
4, The system is partially drained once a week and new nutrients added.
5, It is 62 inches external diameter and the same shape as the inside.
6, I always use a carbon filter to remove smells and so should you!. The fan at the bottom is to move the air around the grow. The intake is passive and I exchange the air in the room twice a minute whatever system I am using.
7, The best way to use 2x600w is to have one above the other, this vertical is designed to have another row so I can use 2 x 600w.
8, To maximise yield you have to surround the bulb, and the optimum internal size is 4ft so it would be multiples of those dimensions.
9, yes it would but it would also require a change in extraction and all the problems associated with heat build up. Remember that co2 is only any use when you cannot improve any other aspect of the grow.
10, The old nutrient solution should be drained no matter what system you use and new nutrients should be added. The reason for this is the plants use some of the available nutrients and leave others, over time if you dont replace the nutrients you would have a build up of the salts that the plants arent using. Your Ec meter would tell you that the ppm was correct but the nutrient solution would have high levels of the salts that the plants werent using so in effect you would starve your plants.
11, 4 rows 8 inch spacing.
12, Just an ordinary hole saw, the plants are vertical you could angle them by simply turning the pipe slightly.
13, A bypass allows you to control the amount of water that comes out of the pump. It is simply a tee with a valve, if you open the valve some of the output from the pump goes into the res instead of around the system.
14, growing them to fit the system you have put them in!.
15, 3 weeks as cuttings under fluros and one week in the system, normally i wouldnt veg in the system but on this occasion I did.
bloody hell next time try ask a few questions a week!!! lol.
jeffisdreaming, You could run 2x400w but they are very inefficient compared to the 600w. The smell is easily dealt with by using a good quality carbon filter which is rated higher than the extraction of your room. There is hardly any noise so that wouldnt be too much of a problem. but whether you should do it in an apartment in an urban environment or not would be up to how big your balls are! lol.
whoodi, You can use 600w or 1000 for trees, a good compromise is to have the 1000w as the centre bulb and the 600w on the outside.
Ok here we are at week 4 of 12/12 and the system is running great.
Hi holmes, I didnt like how the coli was supposed to run drain to waste, or the amount of perlite you had to use i helped convert one to a recirculating system with an external res and it worked much better.
OregonMeds and smoke and coke, the plants would survive for many days in the event of a pump failure, the tubes are flooded to the bottom of the net pots so there is quite a lot of water in each tube. The cost for everything excluding light and ballast was £500.
The adjustable collars are there because I like to experiment and they allow me to run the tubes full or empty, they dont need to be adjustable though because the best way to run the system is flooded to the bottom of the pots. This could be done with a dam which wasnt adjustable. The secret is to recirculate the nutrients quickly and then there will be plenty of DO due to the water surface to air contact. If you want to run it as an nft system then there would be no need for the collars.
Thanks Hulk Nugs, I dont need mothers as the cuttings are taken from the plants in the vertical about two weeks into flower.
Hi boonie and beginningbotanist420, the res is quite small probably 10 gallon or something like. It is topped up automatically from the mains supply. If you couldnt do that then the res would have to be bigger.
sparat1k, yes I take off unwanted leaves and small weak shoots throughout the grow until about the 4th week of flower.
MCD
1, Not if you have enough Dissolved Oxygen (DO) in the system.
2, The cuttings are used in this grow were 3 weeks old grown in 1 inch rockwool blocks. I place them into the netpot and fill with hydroton. The water level in the tube touches the bottom of the net pot so there is no problem of them drying out.
3, 1 inch rockwool blocks.
4, The system is partially drained once a week and new nutrients added.
5, It is 62 inches external diameter and the same shape as the inside.
6, I always use a carbon filter to remove smells and so should you!. The fan at the bottom is to move the air around the grow. The intake is passive and I exchange the air in the room twice a minute whatever system I am using.
7, The best way to use 2x600w is to have one above the other, this vertical is designed to have another row so I can use 2 x 600w.
8, To maximise yield you have to surround the bulb, and the optimum internal size is 4ft so it would be multiples of those dimensions.
9, yes it would but it would also require a change in extraction and all the problems associated with heat build up. Remember that co2 is only any use when you cannot improve any other aspect of the grow.
10, The old nutrient solution should be drained no matter what system you use and new nutrients should be added. The reason for this is the plants use some of the available nutrients and leave others, over time if you dont replace the nutrients you would have a build up of the salts that the plants arent using. Your Ec meter would tell you that the ppm was correct but the nutrient solution would have high levels of the salts that the plants werent using so in effect you would starve your plants.
11, 4 rows 8 inch spacing.
12, Just an ordinary hole saw, the plants are vertical you could angle them by simply turning the pipe slightly.
13, A bypass allows you to control the amount of water that comes out of the pump. It is simply a tee with a valve, if you open the valve some of the output from the pump goes into the res instead of around the system.
14, growing them to fit the system you have put them in!.
15, 3 weeks as cuttings under fluros and one week in the system, normally i wouldnt veg in the system but on this occasion I did.
bloody hell next time try ask a few questions a week!!! lol.
jeffisdreaming, You could run 2x400w but they are very inefficient compared to the 600w. The smell is easily dealt with by using a good quality carbon filter which is rated higher than the extraction of your room. There is hardly any noise so that wouldnt be too much of a problem. but whether you should do it in an apartment in an urban environment or not would be up to how big your balls are! lol.
whoodi, You can use 600w or 1000 for trees, a good compromise is to have the 1000w as the centre bulb and the 600w on the outside.
Ok here we are at week 4 of 12/12 and the system is running great.
