Hello michigan

It takes a doctor with some brass to approve someone for a mmm card. they put everything on the line to help people. if you guys keep throwing them under the bus and scaring them off then you wont have a doctor to go to. Its funny people think its too easy to get a card so they start slandering the very docs that approved them. this seems to be a reoccurring trend with some folks.
 
Resin Extractor, I would advise that you do not use a business by name when you are slandering them. I have been to Chronic Cert Center for the past 3 years, and I can say that your description is way off base. Since you have so much money to burn, I would advise that you do not slander CCC as their lawyers would probably love to have some of the money for their clients. Anonymity is not guaranteed anywhere. You clearly have an agenda, and you need to stop with the slander.
 
Also, Resin Extractor, you may want to brush up on the laws in Michigan. There were two laws signed by Gov. Snyder in 2012 that allowed for the use of telemedicine during the initial visit. Since it is not specifically mentioned in the new language added to the MMMA, it is not barred from use. Something has to specifically be mentioned in order for an exemption to exist under Michigan's Uniformity Act. The reference to "internet medicine" is in regards specifically to a practice that involves the use of email to facilitate certifications without the doctor ever seeing the patient. The patient communicates with the doctor via email, sends records and the doctor sends the certification. This was specifically banned in the new language, while telemedicine was not. In order to interpret the new language to include telemedicine, you would have to assume that they did away with telemedicine for everyone in Michigan under the Uniformity Act. The new laws on telemed are here for your viewing: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/publicact/pdf/2012-PA-0215.pdf
and http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/publicact/pdf/2012-PA-0214.pdf
 
Adam from TC said:
Resin Extractor, I would advise that you do not use a business by name when you are slandering them. I have been to Chronic Cert Center for the past 3 years, and I can say that your description is way off base. Since you have so much money to burn, I would advise that you do not slander CCC as their lawyers would probably love to have some of the money for their clients. Anonymity is not guaranteed anywhere. You clearly have an agenda, and you need to stop with the slander.
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I hope that you don't represent this place in any way. Joining a forum just to threaten legal action doesn't come off very well.
 
st0wandgrow said:
I hope that you don't represent this place in any way. Joining a forum just to threaten legal action doesn't come off very well.
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adams a good dude. I called them like I said I would. if you don't like it than take it up with me. I like you stow but I dont see how you fit in this conversation.
 
Stowandgrow, setting propaganda straight is not threatening. Slander is slander. I don't like it in any form. Doctor's certifications are literally the foundation that all legal defenses arise from. This thread is a fantastic opportunity to discuss the policies that surround and guide medical marijuana certifications. When a person mentions a business by name it is slander plain and simple. Doctors put their licenses on the line to certify patients, and they should not have to put up with anyone spreading lies about them. I noticed that the doctor's name was not mentioned specifically, and that is because doctors do tend to defend themselves. Businesses do as well. The doctor's name was very likely not mentioned, because the poster knows that what they are saying never happened. If a person wants to get certified, they should call up the medical center and ask them what they are going to do for them that will make their certification legitimate. It is up to patients to do their due diligence when shopping around for a secondary (read: non-primary) doctor for a medical marijuana certification. The post also came across as a shameful plug for another certification center. Forums are not a good place for either slander or solicitation. It just does not come off very well.
 
freebloody said:
I don't need no doc to get my smoke on wtf is wrong with you people.there are good and bad docs .avoid the bad deal with the good and get past it .a dr ruined this forum,let smoke and grow
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I like to think we finally chased him off. I haven't seen him here for the last few months. He has been spanked hard at the MMMA, told to lock his shit down,
and posts very little there.

The law provides pretty clear guidelines and closely defined terms for a bona fide Dr./Patient relationship. Those who fail to follow them risk much.

3. Definitions.
Sec. 3. As used in this act:

(a) "Bona fide physician-patient relationship" means a treatment or counseling relationship between a physician and patient in which all of the following are present:

(1) The physician has reviewed the patient's relevant medical records and completed a full assessment of the patient's medical history and current medical condition, including a relevant, in-person, medical evaluation of the patient.

(2) The physician has created and maintained records of the patient's condition in accord with medically accepted standards.

(3) The physician has a reasonable expectation that he or she will provide follow-up care to the patient to monitor the efficacy of the use of medical marihuana as a treatment of the patient's debilitating medical condition.

(4) If the patient has given permission, the physician has notified the patient's primary care physician of the patient's debilitating medical condition and certification for the use of medical marihuana to treat that condition.
 
Adam from TC said:
Stowandgrow, setting propaganda straight is not threatening. Slander is slander. I don't like it in any form. Doctor's certifications are literally the foundation that all legal defenses arise from. This thread is a fantastic opportunity to discuss the policies that surround and guide medical marijuana certifications. When a person mentions a business by name it is slander plain and simple. Doctors put their licenses on the line to certify patients, and they should not have to put up with anyone spreading lies about them. I noticed that the doctor's name was not mentioned specifically, and that is because doctors do tend to defend themselves. Businesses do as well. The doctor's name was very likely not mentioned, because the poster knows that what they are saying never happened. If a person wants to get certified, they should call up the medical center and ask them what they are going to do for them that will make their certification legitimate. It is up to patients to do their due diligence when shopping around for a secondary (read: non-primary) doctor for a medical marijuana certification. The post also came across as a shameful plug for another certification center. Forums are not a good place for either slander or solicitation. It just does not come off very well.
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Adam, you claim to "have been to the CCC for the past 3 years", indicating that you're a patient, no? So unless you want to come clean and admit that you work there, or are the doctor in question, then I don't see how it's possible that you know that these claims are erroneous, or slander.

I'm not trying to defend resinxtractor. I don't know him from Adam (heh). BUT, I have no reason to believe that he's lying, and I do agree with him that if I went to a place to get certified and it was done via Skype, the doc rolled in 2 hours late, and then proceeded to try and peddle weed I wouldn't have a very good impression of the place. I don't think many others would either.
 
He works there. I called them on the phone and told them whats going on that's why he was on riu. I get certified through CCC. They dont sell meds btw.
 
StowandGrow, yes, I know exactly what goes on there. No meds, high standard doctors and always looking out for patients in all cases. If anybody wants to inform themselves about use of telemedicine, they can do the research themselves or they can simply refer to my old post for the bills. So tired of BS regarding the use of telemedicine. It just shows that people are either slanderous or knowingly ignorant with no plans to inform themselves in any meaningful way. This post was a pure fabrication. Also, one little, itsy bitsy detail that might have been overlooked in this thread is that the chance of a doctor "showing up" two hours late and then seeing the patient via telemed does not add up or pass the sniff test all the while he is supposed to be selling meds in the waiting room. Either the doctor was there or not. Pretty simple really. This does not take a rocked scientist to put these simple facts together.

Also, telemedicine is designed for rural medicine. Traverse City is a town of only 16,000 in rural Northern Michigan. Telemed was designed for regions like this. What is up with people even talking about this?
 
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Adam from TC said:
StowandGrow, yes, I know exactly what goes on there. No meds, high standard doctors and always looking out for patients in all cases. If anybody wants to inform themselves about use of telemedicine, they can do the research themselves or they can simply refer to my old post for the bills. So tired of BS regarding the use of telemedicine. It just shows that people are either slanderous or knowingly ignorant with no plans to inform themselves in any meaningful way. This post was a pure fabrication. Also, one little, itsy bitsy detail that might have been overlooked in this thread is that the chance of a doctor "showing up" two hours late and then seeing the patient via telemed does not add up or pass the sniff test all the while he is supposed to be selling meds in the waiting room. Either the doctor was there or not. Pretty simple really. This does not take a rocked scientist to put these simple facts together.

Also, telemedicine is designed for rural medicine. Traverse City is a town of only 16,000 in rural Northern Michigan. Telemed was designed for regions like this. What is up with people even talking about this?
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You should have been honest from jump street and said that you worked there instead of pretending to be a patient. You do understand how it seems odd that a patient would know all the details of another patients experience there, right?

The selling meds part of the story did seem unlikely from jump street, but I have seen shadier things at certification set ups so I didn't rule it out. As for telemedicine, you make a good point about rural areas, but if given the option I would go with an in-person examination every time.

I'd sure like to hear resinxtractors response to this. If what he said is all fabricated, then I don't blame you (and others) for being a little chapped over it.
 
I was honest from the get go. I have been certified there for the past 3 years. Yes, in the past year and a half I have worked there. No, I don't expect ResinExtractor to be chiming in any time soon on this thread. It was pure fiction from the start.
 
Unfortunately, this industry is so full of shady stuff that it gets a bit overwhelming sometimes. As a newly minted social worker, I probably could not have chosen a more challenging industry to start out in. There are so many things that chap me just about every day in this industry. For example, we just received a call from a patient who was certified in Oakland County, and the told us that the certifying center told them that they have to come in for a follow-up appointment every 6 months for $99 each time or the doctor will call the state and cancel the card. That adds up to around $400 per year for each patient. This is shady beyond the point of reason. There is a lot of this going around. Sad to say. Those with integrity in this industry are constantly shaking their heads in disbelief over the antics of others.
 
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