Help.. droopy plant.. day 30 of veg. Do you see anything wrong?

H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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Homie Da Clown said:
Actually i would toss soil in the garbage, its about the most boring way to grow..
Jump to coco, build a dtw setup.. Get an ro filter...
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And this is why she needs to read. Friendly advice can be expensive.

Boring? See, I think "reliable". I don't have to worry about it like other methods, so I can devote the time to different training and pruning methods, or just be bored and watch my flowers grow.

Not saying any of the advice is bad, I just try to keep my advice factual, and let the other person form the opinion.
 
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blazeottawa

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I agree with the other folks, it looks like over watering. You can fully saturate your soil but you then need to let it dry out. If your overeager or have soil that retains too much water you will never get to that dry stage. Let the plant wilt from dehydration. Feel how heavy the pot is when its empty and remember that. With that being said you may have already allowed some root rot to start. I would recommend some aquashied/hydroguard or some sort of beneficial bacteria to help the roots. It's banned in canada according to botanicare but I have been able to find the odd amazon person who will ship it to you.

Also just because the fertilizer company says to use ridiculous amounts of nutes doesn't mean it's sound advice. They are, after all, in the business of selling nutrients, so for them the more nutes you consume the more profitable their business will be.

don't feel stupid it is after all the most common mistake newbies make. Good luck!
 
NoHo

NoHo

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blazeottawa said:
I agree with the other folks, it looks like over watering. You can fully saturate your soil but you then need to let it dry out. If your overeager or have soil that retains too much water you will never get to that dry stage. Let the plant wilt from dehydration. Feel how heavy the pot is when its empty and remember that. With that being said you may have already allowed some root rot to start. I would recommend some aquashied/hydroguard or some sort of beneficial bacteria to help the roots. It's banned in canada according to botanicare but I have been able to find the odd amazon person who will ship it to you.

Also just because the fertilizer company says to use ridiculous amounts of nutes doesn't mean it's sound advice. They are, after all, in the business of selling nutrients, so for them the more nutes you consume the more profitable their business will be.

don't feel stupid it is after all the most common mistake newbies make. Good luck!
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Well said ! thank you for the kind words and best of luck :)
 
H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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@NoHo Best advice I can give, is to ask "why" when someone says this item is better than other items. They may have a perfectly reasonable explanation - that worked well in their life but wouldn't in yours.

I would be that guy on quantum boards for lights. I won't waste my money on anything else. I have reasons, but they are fairly expensive lights, and I did start out with blurples - then got to the point where I didn't have to spend money on weed, so I spent it on upgrades.

I could give you a shopping list for the most perfect 3x3 bedroom closet set-up ever (for me ;) ) but it might not work at all for you.
 
Homie Da Clown

Homie Da Clown

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H.A.F. said:
And this is why she needs to read. Friendly advice can be expensive.

Boring? See, I think "reliable". I don't have to worry about it like other methods, so I can devote the time to different training and pruning methods, or just be bored and watch my flowers grow.

Not saying any of the advice is bad, I just try to keep my advice factual, and let the other person form the opinion.
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Undersdood .
I wont debate any of that work you..
Soil is a headache imo .
Coco with dtw from a 55 gal drum.
One drum for grow and one for bloom..

But i will quote, that is my opinion.
But from someone who has taught countless nubes, it is by far the most successful one to teach...
 
H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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You thought I was kidding :) I have been meaning to do this for a while for myself so you are in luck.

pH meter - top of the list for a reason. Apera or comparable QUALITY ph tester. Get a TDS/PPM/EC meter, but even the cheap ones work well. I used the one that came with a zero-water filter for a year ;)
$50
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077Z6LF91/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

Light - HLG-260w V2 $357.99 (what I have) or the HLG-320w V2 $407.99 (what I'll upgrade to when the other one dies.) How much each plant can possibly produce is based on the wattage. More is better, to a point, but if you put too much in a small space you have more heat than can be easily removed.
https://growerslights.com/collections/horticulture-lighting-group/products/horticulture-lighting-group-260-watt-xw-quantum-board-led-kit?variant=8194589425765
https://growerslights.com/collections/horticulture-lighting-group/products/horticulture-lighting-group-320-watt-xw-quantum-board-led-kit-v2?variant=12588746342501

Exhaust - AC Infinity Cloudline. You will lose one foot of height in the closet with this and a cannister but it is worth it. The carbon filter cannister will cost another $50, doesn't really matter which brand. Cheap is good if you can vent it into the attic.
$139
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074XBXFPD/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

RO water filter. Start with 0ppm cheap, then control everything that goes into the water. It's supposed to last a year, but it's rated for 50 gallons per day, so no telling how long it'll last.
$70
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LKF09IW/?coliid=I7OC3BE992BJK&colid=2GEB3TZOJW2LZ&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

small oscillating fan
$20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0711892YZ/ref=dp_prsubs_2
any little fan will do, but make sure it has a mechanical on-off selector so it comes back on with the timer. Got one that had a push-button on-off, and luckily I noticed that it had to be turned "on" every time the lights came back on. I stuck a different one in quick.

If you want to know any why's or specifics, hit me up on my thread, I'll even post pictures LOL
https://www.rollitup.org/t/superskunk-manifold.982650/
 
H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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Homie Da Clown said:
Undersdood .
I wont debate any of that work you..
Soil is a headache imo .
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That was my only point. Some people want easier, quicker - whatever - methods, and that's cool, but whichever one you find easiest to understand and manage will be the 'best'. I'm part Irish and part Injun, I love the soil. Starting some tomatoes and peppers next month under my old blurples :)

That said, I have been trying different soils, but since I'm stocked up on the Fox Farms nutes, I'm trying their different soils. My current plant is growing in a mix of all three that I have. Working so far, and if it ain't broke... LOL
 
H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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Homie Da Clown said:
Its a 55 gal drum .You aint gonna accidentally knock it nowhere .

Ive never in yrs had a problem of overflowing .

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Yes, but is it on a cement floor? Looks basement-ish to me. Leaky fitting, busted pump, whatever, I wouldn't want to chance that in my house on a wood sub-floor and crawl space, plus the 900lb factor.

Glad it works for you! I read up on them and the type of 'maintenance' compared to soil just didn't click for me. But I'm just growing for me, and having a plant flowering every two months is more my style, get enough to build a stash and get me through the next harvest :)
 
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NoHo

NoHo

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H.A.F. said:
You thought I was kidding :) I have been meaning to do this for a while for myself so you are in luck.

pH meter - top of the list for a reason. Apera or comparable QUALITY ph tester. Get a TDS/PPM/EC meter, but even the cheap ones work well. I used the one that came with a zero-water filter for a year ;)
$50
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077Z6LF91/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

Light - HLG-260w V2 $357.99 (what I have) or the HLG-320w V2 $407.99 (what I'll upgrade to when the other one dies.) How much each plant can possibly produce is based on the wattage. More is better, to a point, but if you put too much in a small space you have more heat than can be easily removed.
https://growerslights.com/collections/horticulture-lighting-group/products/horticulture-lighting-group-260-watt-xw-quantum-board-led-kit?variant=8194589425765
https://growerslights.com/collections/horticulture-lighting-group/products/horticulture-lighting-group-320-watt-xw-quantum-board-led-kit-v2?variant=12588746342501

Exhaust - AC Infinity Cloudline. You will lose one foot of height in the closet with this and a cannister but it is worth it. The carbon filter cannister will cost another $50, doesn't really matter which brand. Cheap is good if you can vent it into the attic.
$139
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074XBXFPD/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

RO water filter. Start with 0ppm cheap, then control everything that goes into the water. It's supposed to last a year, but it's rated for 50 gallons per day, so no telling how long it'll last.
$70
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LKF09IW/?coliid=I7OC3BE992BJK&colid=2GEB3TZOJW2LZ&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

small oscillating fan
$20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0711892YZ/ref=dp_prsubs_2
any little fan will do, but make sure it has a mechanical on-off selector so it comes back on with the timer. Got one that had a push-button on-off, and luckily I noticed that it had to be turned "on" every time the lights came back on. I stuck a different one in quick.

If you want to know any why's or specifics, hit me up on my thread, I'll even post pictures LOL
https://www.rollitup.org/t/superskunk-manifold.982650/
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Wow! I’m impressed ! Kiss ass list
 
Homie Da Clown

Homie Da Clown

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NoHo said:
Wow! I’m impressed ! Kiss ass list
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Plan to replace that probe 2x a year..
Bluelab ftw!
Bro i dont even post anymore, i just decided to give you some advice .
U want to read some good info,
Google my threads on thcfarmer where i used to be a mod before i had to out logic for ripping ppl off at the seed store but nevertheless it still has my threads .
Google my screen name which is Event Horizan .
It is the starwars thread and it runs a 1000 pages..
Good luck brothers!
 
Homie Da Clown

Homie Da Clown

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H.A.F. said:
@NoHo Best advice I can give, is to ask "why" when someone says this item is better than other items. They may have a perfectly reasonable explanation - that worked well in their life but wouldn't in yours.

I would be that guy on quantum boards for lights. I won't waste my money on anything else. I have reasons, but they are fairly expensive lights, and I did start out with blurples - then got to the point where I didn't have to spend money on weed, so I spent it on upgrades.

I could give you a shopping list for the most perfect 3x3 bedroom closet set-up ever (for me ;) ) but it might not work at all for you.
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What boards you run?
I like chilled's setup with the ability to change the spectrum with a remote .
But there prices are insane .
Most LED's out thete leave a lot to be desired for .
If your gonna go led, it def pays to build your own.
 
H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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Homie Da Clown said:
What boards you run?
I like chilled's setup with the ability to change the spectrum with a remote .
But there prices are insane .
Most LED's out thete leave a lot to be desired for .
If your gonna go led, it def pays to build your own.
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Not too worried about the probe, you mentioned. I never let my temps get that high, but it does show the temp on the screen, so it is a good double-check on the other thermometer. I have the HLG 260, and still have 2 speeds left on the exhaust fan (has 5, usually run at 2, 3 during flower) so when these die I'll get the boards for a 320w. I can replace the boards on the heatsink in about 5 minutes. There are better lights I'm sure, but when I can get 7oz from 2 little plants in 3 gallon pots, it serves my purpose.
 
NoHo

NoHo

Member
H.A.F. said:
Not too worried about the probe, you mentioned. I never let my temps get that high, but it does show the temp on the screen, so it is a good double-check on the other thermometer. I have the HLG 260, and still have 2 speeds left on the exhaust fan (has 5, usually run at 2, 3 during flower) so when these die I'll get the boards for a 320w. I can replace the boards on the heatsink in about 5 minutes. There are better lights I'm sure, but when I can get 7oz from 2 little plants in 3 gallon pots, it serves my purpose.
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BTW I'm ordering today the "CMH 315W 3100K Full Phase" By CG for 272.00$ incl. ship. is there something better for that price range or lower ...:confused:
 
NoHo

NoHo

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***PIC UPTADE***

**Weight 10 Lbs. and 4 Oz Vs. 15.4 Lbs. when I fed the plant at 1/13**

** Just poked the soil from the bottom of the pot (T.pick) about 1/2" deep & it seems quite dry..**
 

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Skoal

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They look over watered still. Colouring seems fine for nutrients. Let the plant chill.

I suggest transplanting into 5gallon fabric pots. Gonna cure your over watering issue for sure.
 
Skoal

Skoal

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1/2 inch being dry is nothing. There is probably so much moisture built up at the bottom.

If you let it dry out you won’t kill your plants. When they get dry just add water and they bounce back.
 
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