Help I don't know what's wrong with my plants!!

HigherGroundz · Sep 11, 2014

Rusty_Shackleford said:
Solid.. If I could give you two star favorites for this I would

Thanks man ! I just hope others get a better idea why this product works wonders for some and makes hell for others .. Sadly this is common though with many peat based mixes , peat moss is one of the worst things to add into potting mixes in all honesty, but its cheap and available in mass thanks to the big corporations

Flagg420 · Sep 11, 2014

Rusty_Shackleford said:
Really??? What is wrong with distilled? And what do you recommend instead?

Distilled has ZERO anything in it, even humans can't live off just distilled water, life needs them macro nutrients. Its why we always always ALWAYS add cal-mag to our filtered or distilled water. If you aren't rocking RO water + cal-mag, don't get distilled water, get spring water, still has some of them mac-nutes in it. I've popped many many beans in happy frog with spring water (I still use spring for seeds/seedlings, and my RO after they hit veg)

If youre buying water, get spring water, until you can get your own RO filter, It IS worth the investment. Still check PH levels every time b4 u water or add nutes.

All the above is information I learned the hard way....

Rusty_Shackleford · Sep 11, 2014

Flagg420 said:
Distilled has ZERO anything in it, even humans can't live off just distilled water, life needs them macro nutrients. Its why we always always ALWAYS add cal-mag to our filtered or distilled water. If you aren't rocking RO water + cal-mag, don't get distilled water, get spring water, still has some of them mac-nutes in it. I've popped many many beans in happy frog with spring water (I still use spring for seeds/seedlings, and my RO after they hit veg)

If youre buying water, get spring water, until you can get your own RO filter, It IS worth the investment. Still check PH levels every time b4 u water or add nutes.

All the above is information I learned the hard way....

Damn.. That almost makes so much since I feel retarded lo
Ive heard of a lot of issues with RO water though from contaminants to Algi and not being able to get a proper ph because there are no buffers? And you use cal/mag through all phases of the grow correct? I have collected rain water however I do not know how long it last, the last thing I want is root rot from using it if it goes stale I'm not sure if it does or not,
Where can I buy spring water? And do I have to evaporate chlorine or anything from it? Honestly I've never heard of using spring water does it have a higher ph than 7.0 and can you just add it as is? And can you use it in all phases seed veg and flower with nutes?
This may sound like a stupid question but you don't add call mag when using nutes nor when flushing right, I'm assuming only on water days during the cycle?

So happy frogs good shit huh? Lol
Thanks again for all the info man this forum is gold with all you guys insight!!!!!

Rusty_Shackleford · Sep 11, 2014

HigherGroundz said:
Thanks man ! I just hope others get a better idea why this product works wonders for some and makes hell for others .. Sadly this is common though with many peat based mixes , peat moss is one of the worst things to add into potting mixes in all honesty, but its cheap and available in mass thanks to the big corporations

Yea for sure!! The mixed reviews can be confusing!! But I think the main thing newbs need to know is about the peat moss and that its HOT and acidic, usually if you cook it its alright!

What do you think about living organic soil?
Also what do you think about mixing with coco?

Rusty_Shackleford · Sep 11, 2014

HigherGroundz said:
Thanks man ! I just hope others get a better idea why this product works wonders for some and makes hell for others .. Sadly this is common though with many peat based mixes , peat moss is one of the worst things to add into potting mixes in all honesty, but its cheap and available in mass thanks to the big corporations

Also fox farms light warrior?

Rusty_Shackleford · Sep 11, 2014

Flagg420 said:
Distilled has ZERO anything in it, even humans can't live off just distilled water, life needs them macro nutrients. Its why we always always ALWAYS add cal-mag to our filtered or distilled water. If you aren't rocking RO water + cal-mag, don't get distilled water, get spring water, still has some of them mac-nutes in it. I've popped many many beans in happy frog with spring water (I still use spring for seeds/seedlings, and my RO after they hit veg)

If youre buying water, get spring water, until you can get your own RO filter, It IS worth the investment. Still check PH levels every time b4 u water or add nutes.

All the above is information I learned the hard way....

Also where do you get RO water I know some Walgreens and some circle k have it but is that it? I don't think I can install a filter because I'm on well water. Besides there like 100 gallons a day I need like 5% of that lol

chuck estevez · Sep 12, 2014

Rusty_Shackleford said:
Damn.. That almost makes so much since I feel retarded lo
Ive heard of a lot of issues with RO water though from contaminants to Algi and not being able to get a proper ph because there are no buffers? And you use cal/mag through all phases of the grow correct? I have collected rain water however I do not know how long it last, the last thing I want is root rot from using it if it goes stale I'm not sure if it does or not,
Where can I buy spring water? And do I have to evaporate chlorine or anything from it? Honestly I've never heard of using spring water does it have a higher ph than 7.0 and can you just add it as is? And can you use it in all phases seed veg and flower with nutes?
This may sound like a stupid question but you don't add call mag when using nutes nor when flushing right, I'm assuming only on water days during the cycle?

So happy frogs good shit huh? Lol
Thanks again for all the info man this forum is gold with all you guys insight!!!!!

you CAN use distilled, just need to add the cal/mag back in to it. Personally, I would just get a filter and filter that well water. if you want to keep rain water, just put an air stone in to keep it til ready.

Diabolical666 · Sep 12, 2014

Rusty_Shackleford said:
It's not knowing how to use them? It's soil Jackie, it's just a hot soil that's why I already explained I cooked it and broke it down, FF is also inconsistently acidic which is why it is an issue for some people, seriously man people are not as ignorant as you think they are and yes telling a hydro and out door grower that they need more research and growing techniques is indeed an insult and wtf do you think I'm doing then that's why I created the forum Jackie for RESEARCH. I think it's funny how you are the only one on the forum NOT providing a solution so at least stop being a part of the problem and learn with the rest of us from the wisdom of the experienced and the knowledgable

Apparently YOU dont know how to use them.
INdoor growing is a whole nother ballgame. I gave you a solution, "pitch em , research and start over". The only way you could save those plants is if you had a 400w or greater at this point. Your current light set up is weaksauce. Your plants are severely burned from nutes, weak in growth momentum due to lack of light, you didnt do any popping/pruning, topping etc etc etc. All things you should be doing for indoor grow canopies. Its a must! When plants get this bad they wont produce as well, therefor you should pitch them and start over bc its a waste of time and space in your grow. Research how to grow indoor cannabis and start fresh. i.e lighting (spectrum, intensity), nutrients ( NPK, soluables you need for flowering etc), plant canopy importance, topping fimming LST, soils w/nutes for certain stages of growth, persticides etc etc etc. When you just jump into growing, and dont do research and dont get the proper equipment you need to grow this is the effect. I'm not going to sugar coat it and lie to you. Hopefully my words will get you off your ass to research ALOT more. GL to you Kelso!
Its not the products that are bad, 9.99x out of 10 its the user

dluck · Sep 12, 2014

Diabolical666 said:
Apparently YOU dont know how to use them.
INdoor growing is a whole nother ballgame. I gave you a solution, "pitch em , research and start over". The only way you could save those plants is if you had a 400w or greater at this point. Your current light set up is weaksauce. Your plants are severely burned from nutes, weak in growth momentum due to lack of light, you didnt do any popping/pruning, topping etc etc etc. All things you should be doing for indoor grow canopies. Its a must! When plants get this bad they wont produce as well, therefor you should pitch them and start over bc its a waste of time and space in your grow. Research how to grow indoor cannabis and start fresh. i.e lighting (spectrum, intensity), nutrients ( NPK, soluables you need for flowering etc), plant canopy importance, topping fimming LST, soils w/nutes for certain stages of growth, persticides etc etc etc. When you just jump into growing, and dont do research and dont get the proper equipment you need to grow this is the effect. I'm not going to sugar coat it and lie to you. Hopefully my words will get you off your ass to research ALOT more. GL to you Kelso!
Its not the products that are bad, 9.99x out of 10 its the user

Whew...harsh but true !

vostok · Sep 12, 2014

Rusty_Shackleford said:
This is great Vostok, thanks a lot man! What seedling mix is best?
And should I still give them cal/mag after I flush them? And when do I start with nutes again?
I will put the older one outside so I can maintain the same schedule for the rest of them

Just mix in a heavy dose of perlite to any soils you intend to use, to dilute them hot soils,, and yes.. avoid using distilled water, as it strips out to many goodies,
avoid adding nutes until 2-3 weeks later, or when you see its needed

to my blog: https://www.rollitup.org/Journal/Entry/12-week-grow-sceneario-cervantas.29407/

Rusty_Shackleford · Sep 12, 2014

Diabolical666 said:
Apparently YOU dont know how to use them.
INdoor growing is a whole nother ballgame. I gave you a solution, "pitch em , research and start over". The only way you could save those plants is if you had a 400w or greater at this point. Your current light set up is weaksauce. Your plants are severely burned from nutes, weak in growth momentum due to lack of light, you didnt do any popping/pruning, topping etc etc etc. All things you should be doing for indoor grow canopies. Its a must! When plants get this bad they wont produce as well, therefor you should pitch them and start over bc its a waste of time and space in your grow. Research how to grow indoor cannabis and start fresh. i.e lighting (spectrum, intensity), nutrients ( NPK, soluables you need for flowering etc), plant canopy importance, topping fimming LST, soils w/nutes for certain stages of growth, persticides etc etc etc. When you just jump into growing, and dont do research and dont get the proper equipment you need to grow this is the effect. I'm not going to sugar coat it and lie to you. Hopefully my words will get you off your ass to research ALOT more. GL to you Kelso!
Its not the products that are bad, 9.99x out of 10 its the user

First of all I'm not the first person to have issues with FF I'm not going to go into it again because I have already explained this in previous discussions on this forum. Second of all like I have PREVIOUSLY stated I have had friends that have had great success using just the soil without mixing. Thirdly obviously I'm having issues or I wouldn't have started a forum?!? A 400w is over kill for the amount of plants I have if anything I may end up burning them and like I have stated I DO have HPS I just have not set it up yet because I was waiting on my ballast. My plants are still too young to pop or prune also I have netting and bush master so again already accounted for. I have all the lighting I need all the nutes I need etc. again people are not as ignorant as you think. Obviously I am "researching" which is why I created a forum. Obviously people dont know everything which is why this web site even exist and why there are a million post a day. You learn from experience which is exactly what I'm doing. And I have already told you I have the equipment and have done the research and have had successful grows before. And the othe .01 percent of the time it's some douche bag giving you false information. However, I will give you this at least you said something, regardless of stating the obvious and telling someone on a discussion forum to go do research.

Rusty_Shackleford · Sep 12, 2014

dluck said:
Whew...harsh but true !

Hardly

Rusty_Shackleford · Sep 12, 2014

vostok said:
Just mix in a heavy dose of perlite to any soils you intend to use, to dilute them hot soils,, and yes.. avoid using distilled water, as it strips out to many goodies,
avoid adding nutes until 2-3 weeks later, or when you see its needed

to my blog: https://www.rollitup.org/Journal/Entry/12-week-grow-sceneario-cervantas.29407/

Cool thanks man! Good stuff!

Rusty_Shackleford · Sep 12, 2014

chuck estevez said:
you CAN use distilled, just need to add the cal/mag back in to it. Personally, I would just get a filter and filter that well water. if you want to keep rain water, just put an air stone in to keep it til ready.

I'm going to use spring for seed and young veg and RO for veg and flower. Always with Cal/mag! Lol

Rusty_Shackleford · Sep 12, 2014

Flagg420 said:
Distilled has ZERO anything in it, even humans can't live off just distilled water, life needs them macro nutrients. Its why we always always ALWAYS add cal-mag to our filtered or distilled water. If you aren't rocking RO water + cal-mag, don't get distilled water, get spring water, still has some of them mac-nutes in it. I've popped many many beans in happy frog with spring water (I still use spring for seeds/seedlings, and my RO after they hit veg)

If youre buying water, get spring water, until you can get your own RO filter, It IS worth the investment. Still check PH levels every time b4 u water or add nutes.

All the above is information I learned the hard way....

Do you use calmag every watering in all phases including flowering? I was told it can cause lock out during flowering and your suppose to use Epsom instead. Also do you ever mix with nutes? I know some do but what do you recommend

dluck · Sep 13, 2014

Rusty_Shackleford said:
Hardly

Prolly so..I just never understood paying $20 for 1.5 cubic feet of soil when you can,spend $10 and blend something just as good...either way you go you will have to add perlite and rinse the soil before using it...now as I understand it FF has had a change in management or owners and the product is not quite up to par as it once was..dont know..never used it...my bad for jumping on the band wagon and not completely reading the post..I just took as you having soil problems and the average person growing doesn't understand how soil works...to many years of dwc..nft and other soiless mediums...so I'm gonna go back and reread this thread and then I'll hit back with what I really think

dluck · Sep 13, 2014

HigherGroundz said:
Lol its not beginner friendly and its not all the same due to outsourcing depending on locality .. When I lived in Cali I swore by it but now in Michigan I can say that its not of the same quality and its even sold now at the local hardware due to it being made available in mass here now

Change of ownership....quality went to hell as I understand it

Diabolical666 · Sep 13, 2014

Ive used the whole line for years , no problems

SnaFuu · Sep 13, 2014

OP's an idiot

Claims to not be a noob, contradicts this numerous times with dumb questions and comments on the advice he receives. Then flames the only guy giving real advice.

Sometimes the advice you need is the one you don't want to hear. Doesn't mean you should close your ears!

Then you say .01% of the time you get false info? I just read like 20 posts of people feeding you bullshit, and you chomped on it hook line and sinker.

Do what you will, but diabolical's right. Do some research and stop whining on here about your pitiful try at indoor growing.

Good luck

Rusty_Shackleford · Sep 13, 2014

SnaFuu said:
OP's an idiot

Claims to not be a noob, contradicts this numerous times with dumb questions and comments on the advice he receives. Then flames the only guy giving real advice.

Sometimes the advice you need is the one you don't want to hear. Doesn't mean you should close your ears!

Then you say .01% of the time you get false info? I just read like 20 posts of people feeding you bullshit, and you chomped on it hook line and sinker.

Do what you will, but diabolical's right. Do some research and stop whining on here about your pitiful try at indoor growing.

Good luck

I'm not even going to dignify this with a full response.. Seriously dude put your dick away read the full forum and suck diabolical off on your own thread not on my time

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