Help if you can please before it's to late

SxIstew said:
his tap water is at 8 he was going in 6.5 and coming out 6.0,,, 6.3-6.8 is the range for any non hydro system. what's so wrong about that?? I mean I keep getting people telling me my information isn't correct. i'm going by PERSONAL EXPERIENCE I have had these issues before. kept thinking def/tox, over and over screwing with nutes and the WHOLE time it was my pH at 5.9. I killed 3 plants 2 years ago due to a nutrient lockout from LOW pH one at 5.6 one 5.9 and one at 6.0. so i'm pretty sure I know what I am taking about, without needing more pictures or information.(BTW just a suggestion, I now use General Organics because It does not need to be pH'd nor will it cause any issues. I feed FULL STRENGTH+, I OD on BioBud to create purple coloring within the plant, OD on BioMarine to strengthen the stalk and main stems. by OD I mean seriously Over dose... calls for 1/2 tsp per gallon of BioBud I use 3+ calls for 2 tsp per gallon BioMarine I use upwards of 6. I haven't had a pH issue or nutrient issue in 2 years)
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Well thats all good but on the other hand, ive never phed anything in my life in hydro or soil. I use sensi series and my tap waters at six. With nutes its six and after two weeks in hydro its 7. Never had a problem. Theres just always the chance that this guys got one cfl three feet above the plant and its dying off from lack of light, or he gave it a ton of nutes and its burning it. Or he hasnt fed it at all and its starving, no cal mag, 100 degree plus temps, over watering, using an incandecent bulb, who knows right? You could be right but theres alot of angles to cover in plant problems and if someone misdiagnoses a problem it could kill a harvest. You could be right, i just wouldnt want to miss an obvious answer and cost him his smoke for the next couple months. Cheers ;)
 
Okay I am currently not using mutes I was using liquid karma for a little while then my plant got note burn so I quit for a while then this started to happen... I'm using real cheap soil from ace hardware. I was going to switch to better soil once I was going to transplant the pot into its final pot for flowering stage
 
SxIstew said:
that's your problem. ok here's what you can do. first using tap water or R/O water NOT distilled, water the plants. the water that comes out the bottom will tell you what the pH of your medium(soil) is. Your "runoff" water should be between 6.3-6.8 in soil to ensure optimum nutrient uptake. let me know what the pH is of your runoff and i'll see what I can say to help correct it if off.
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Runoff pH will reveal zip, zero, nadda about the mediums pH. One of the biggest mistakes and misleading number a grower can follow.
And OP have you checked for mites yet?
And since I saw NBs post as a quote ignore him also. The so called 'goes in this and out that so it must be this' formula is nothing but made up forum bullshit.
 
What lights?
Did you flush the soil out after you got the nute burn?
how much karma and how many times did you add it and at how many days approximately?
how tall is the plant?
When you water do you get run off and if yes does the plant have a drip catcher?

Sounding like nute nute burn especially if your soil was organic nute rich to begin with. That crispy leaf totally looks like nute burn m8. If it is nute burn then the burnt leaves will never recover and you may keep getting them if theres buildup still in the soil. More answers will help narrow it down.
 
Alienwidow said:
Dont listen to a word that hack spoon fed you. Ph of 6 is fine!!! Hes talkin outta his ass. You want answeres of why its happening start answering questions and let RIU figure it out. Lights, kind and height from plant. Soil, type and size of container. Nutrients, how much, how often, and what kind.
Whoever that moron trying to tell you your ph is off doesnt have a frickin clue.....ph, really? Give your head a shake and stop killing peoples plants.
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Agree completely. The guy is giving some pretty piss poor advice.
 
as said above lots more info needed, what have you changed recently before this happened.???....

you said you over nuted and that your using cheap hardware soil.

at first i was tempted to say it looks like a fungus due to the dark colouring on the leafs (just looks like death)

but you need to put up more info.

not just parroting above but i think too many people pay attention to ph in soil. imo it takes quite a few waterings to say i have changed the ph of the soil, as its like a sponge, holds onto everything.

imo ph is a hydro thing. (im a hydro guy so dont take you cant change soil ph as golden. im just saying it aint easy or quick)

do you have any bugs in your room or high humidity???
 
Alexander Supertramp said:
Runoff pH will reveal zip, zero, nadda about the mediums pH. One of the biggest mistakes and misleading number a grower can follow.
And OP have you checked for mites yet?
And since I saw NBs post as a quote ignore him also. The so called 'goes in this and out that so it must be this' formula is nothing but made up forum bullshit.
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I haven't PH'd in years, and come to think of it, none of my neighbors or anyone else I have ever seen in my life has ever PH'd water in their vegetable gardens. Yet every year, we freeze and can crops, share vegetables and crank out gardens, right from the tap! It's funny MJ is one of the only plants I've ever heard of requiring so much testing! I grow in Sunshine mix, so it's a lot like coco. Supposedly peat has a low PH. I don't know...I don't care. I average 4 oz. per plant and I don't have a test meter for anything. ( I do have aquariums, so I have the ability and equipment to test any number of things, ppm, PH, ammonium and nitrate levels etc..) I know Mj grows all around the world in the wild in all types of soils ie: high alkaline, acidic, sandy, loamy. You think the PH is the same in the soil/water every where? It has levels of tolerance and levels in which it thrives. It is highly unlikely any municipal water supply in these United States are going to subject your plant to anywhere near unacceptable levels. I am sure unless the OP is watering his plants with vinegar, it's not PH related.
 
Thats right guys. Anyone that thinks they can change a mediums(soil/coco)pH by simply pouring pHed water through does not know what they are talking about. All they know is what they have read on a cannabis forum. And I can promise you 95% of the advice found on these forums have no place in the real world of horticulture.
 
so you are all aware...... this guy has been watering with pH'd water for a while now. his tap is at 8 he has been adding pH DOWN to it getting it down to 6.5 and then watering. his medium is now acidic. I've advised him to bring a leaf sample to his local grow shop(He is a card holder in Washington state.) I told him not to listen to a word anyone of you or myself has said until he does so. I have not pH'd in 2 years either. but before I knew what I was doing I was killing my plants with HOT ass nutes dropping my pH to 5.4 going in(without adding anything other than nutes). and all you people gave me advise to add this stop using that. guess what. 4 of 5 plants died with the advise of people like you. my local shop owner told me to check my pH. and that WAS the problem. pH is a HUGE part of a newbie grow. until you know what nutes and how much to the point you can do it blindfolded like some of us i'd suggest you stop telling this guy to not worry about his pH. are you a professional? do you work in the field other than raping patients for money?? probably not. and neither do I that is why I advised him to go speak to someone who is. and had the experience most of you claim to have.. I've grown some amazing fuckin weed, and I've grown shit weed. I'm not saying i'm a pro, everyone is still learning more and more as the years go on. Not a single one of you can say you are perfect and know it all. so before you feed bullshit to a guy who is just trying to get his plant growing again try looking up some better information. I only advise people with advise I myself was given for the same problems with success. I'm no hack trying to kill everyone plants. and I could seriously care less about anything any of you have to say about me. the more you argue and shoot down the idea's of others you are further confusing someone who just needs information. I'm sure he'll let us know what the guys from his grow shop tell him. and then he can act on that.
 
and i'll just guess that most of you know nothing about a lockout since you have never had to deal with one. well with a lockout, you will show MULTIPLE signs of DIFFERENT deficiencies and toxicities. so yes you are all correct telling him that it's a deficiency. because TECHNICALLY it is. however it's not caused by not enough nutes(this started happening to him before he stopped his nutes) and then he just continued to water with pH down(to 6.5). so again I can say for certain that his medium is too acidic causing a lockout of nutrients. so have fun trying to prove the facts wrong...
 
SxIstew said:
and i'll just guess that most of you know nothing about a lockout since you have never had to deal with one. well with a lockout, you will show MULTIPLE signs of DIFFERENT deficiencies and toxicities. so yes you are all correct telling him that it's a deficiency. because TECHNICALLY it is. however it's not caused by not enough nutes(this started happening to him before he stopped his nutes) and then he just continued to water with pH down(to 6.5). so again I can say for certain that his medium is too acidic causing a lockout of nutrients. so have fun trying to prove the facts wrong...
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did it????

Peralez said:
Okay I am currently not using mutes I was using liquid karma for a little while then my plant got note burn so I quit for a while then this started to happen... I'm using real cheap soil from ace hardware. I was going to switch to better soil once I was going to transplant the pot into its final pot for flowering stage
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no it did NOT start happening to him before he stopped.

****i had a really long good reply to this then i lost it, now i cba!*****

not having ago, its just hes put next to no info, and instantly you said ph, which in fairness is what most noobs do.

now if we can stop bickering we might be able to pull our fingers out n help this poor sod who has gone btw!.........avengers assemble!!!!! (sounds cooler in the film! lool)
 
I've been talking to him in private messages. his nute burn PROGRESSED into what is happening. but oooooooooooooook i'm done with this thread he's got my info.
 
didnt mean to piss you off more can you ask him to conclude the thread so we know what was wrong please......im curious now....but we all now what happened to the kitty kat!!
 
Nute burn with Liquid Karma? Ya right...LK is a humic acid and its nutrients content is almost nill. You could follow the bottle recommended dose and not burn a seedling.
And I have been a farmer for nearly 60 years, so yes I know what pH lockout is. And what it takes to change a mediums pH. If he had been using a lot of pH up(carbonates which can build up in the medium)then yes a possible pH issue. pH down on the other hand is an acid which will never build up and cause a pH issue in the medium. You can take that too the bank.
 
Changing ph isnt going to fix anything. Theres dots on the veins. What did you ask senior to use with the 8 water and 6.5 dirt with 6 run off? Ph up or down?.........................or did ya wing it?
 
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