HELP...leaves turning yellow way too early in flower

whats up everyone.. so i was hoping someone could give me an idea what the hell is going on here.. i don't harvest until late october and this is happening almost over night.. i've already been having some yellowing of leaves since flower began but now its progressing as if they were almost done
 

bobtokes

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bit more info would be good, like media what are you phing at , what are you feeding them and how much ?
 
i have them in 100% ocean forest and have been feeding maxi bloom at regular strength and floralicious plus at half strength since the start of bloom in august.. i ph between 6.3 and 6.5 ..I had a burn problem a few weeks ago because i was feeding full strength every other .. after which i flushed for a couple weeks... then gave them some nutes at half strength because they looked like they were hungry, and have given only water now for the last two feedings.. only today did i give them a full dose of the regular nute feeding because i came home from a two day trip and found the yellowing..i thought it looked like they were pulling nutes from the leaves ??? ..im at work right now and dont have the exact numbers for the maxibloom
 
its only the one plant that is yellowing badly.. the others are yellowing some at the bottom and sporadically in the canopy ..
 

slownickel

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If you got burn, you went to high with nutrients. The only way to get rid of those nutrients is a lot of water (it already looks like you are overwatering) and or some gypsum. The gypsum which is calcium sulfate will push out some of those nutrients and get your calcium level back up. Real common that folks have Ca deficiencies with all the woowoo juice they apply.

Try applying 50 grams or so of gypsum. Milk works too.... Milk is an amino acid full of calcium and phosphorus. I would try 20 grams or so of powdered milk well watered in. That seems to be enough to turn some burns around.

Read up on the SAR (Sodium adsorbtion ratio). You will see that salts can be balanced off with Calcium.
 
If you got burn, you went to high with nutrients. The only way to get rid of those nutrients is a lot of water (it already looks like you are overwatering) and or some gypsum. The gypsum which is calcium sulfate will push out some of those nutrients and get your calcium level back up. Real common that folks have Ca deficiencies with all the woowoo juice they apply.

Try applying 50 grams or so of gypsum. Milk works too.... Milk is an amino acid full of calcium and phosphorus. I would try 20 grams or so of powdered milk well watered in. That seems to be enough to turn some burns around.

Read up on the SAR (Sodium adsorbtion ratio). You will see that salts can be balanced off with Calcium.
the nutrient burn went away in all new growth after the flush i did.. the problem now is the yellowing..
 
the nutrient burn went away in all new growth after the flush i did.. the problem now is the yellowing..
as for overwatering there are three plants there.the only one that is showing signs of over watering is the one that is yellowing badly right?.. your talking about the leaves curling?. because this one doesn't look over watered.. or am i missing something?047.jpg
 

bobtokes

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i have them in 100% ocean forest and have been feeding maxi bloom at regular strength and floralicious plus at half strength since the start of bloom in august.. i ph between 6.3 and 6.5 ..I had a burn problem a few weeks ago because i was feeding full strength every other .. after which i flushed for a couple weeks... then gave them some nutes at half strength because they looked like they were hungry, and have given only water now for the last two feedings.. only today did i give them a full dose of the regular nute feeding because i came home from a two day trip and found the yellowing..i thought it looked like they were pulling nutes from the leaves ??? ..im at work right now and dont have the exact numbers for the maxibloom
from what you have said you might have sorted the problem with the flush and plain waterings, but have been a bit late reintroducing the nutes after the reset
 
from what you have said you might have sorted the problem with the flush and plain waterings, but have been a bit late reintroducing the nutes after the reset
right on.. thank you for the quick response.. if that's the case, as long as i don't screw ut the nutrients from here on out they should be fine right? do you think i should pull the yellow leaves?
 

slownickel

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Danyal,

Take a soil analysis real quick and learn.

Aminoacids at this point would help. They don't react like N. A burn early on knocks back Ca uptake early on.
 

slownickel

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All the bottom leaves hanging to me, with stems up, means over watering at the bottom of the medium.

Most folk don't know how to water and tend to over water greatly.
 
All the bottom leaves hanging to me, with stems up, means over watering at the bottom of the medium.

Most folk don't know how to water and tend to over water greatly.
thank you for the info.. i always try to make sure the pots are light before watering .is there any correlation between over watering and the yellowing leaves you can think of.
 

slownickel

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I would bet on it. If one goes to heavy on Mg (which is a real common problem), soils close up. Then the water sits as do nutrients, often causing burns when they shouldn't. Realize that calcium uptake happens only at the tip of the root, in exchange for aminoacids and such, when there is too much water, the plants acids are diluted. You can have Ca deficiency even in Ca rich environments for this reason.

Given the size of those containers, the roots on the outside are surely potbound and subject to drying out real quick. Most folks over water and at the same time don't water enough. Sound like a paradigm? It is . How does that work, well, putting on too much water at one time. Then the top soil can dry out while the plant sits in water, losing roots. Or if you are potbound, a light application of water just around the outside margin might help between waterings.

The idea behind watering is simple. Think of a glass of water. You want that glass to be half full before you water again. When it is half full, you cannot water heavily, just a light watering, just to moisten the top soil. Keep an eye on those older leaves, they should stand up. They aren't. The next watering the same, a light watering. When that pot is feeling very light you see a bit of stem sagging, time to water, and water this time until it comes out the bottom. Depending on the situation and evaporation, this might be 2, 3, even 4 light waterings. Watch to see the difference in vigor! You will like it.

With all that said, if you don't have enough Ca, you might not like these results as the salts will bite you hard due to osmotic pressure. And one more point, N is the enemy of Ca. They are antagonistic. And Ca is the toughest element and the most critical to get into your plant.

I am posting an article for you to read. Print it out. Then go pencil in the THC levels from table 6 into table 3. What you will see will make your jaw drop. Note the highest Ca in the leaves has the highest THC by 2 and 3 times!
 

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I would bet on it. If one goes to heavy on Mg (which is a real common problem), soils close up. Then the water sits as do nutrients, often causing burns when they shouldn't. Realize that calcium uptake happens only at the tip of the root, in exchange for aminoacids and such, when there is too much water, the plants acids are diluted. You can have Ca deficiency even in Ca rich environments for this reason.

Given the size of those containers, the roots on the outside are surely potbound and subject to drying out real quick. Most folks over water and at the same time don't water enough. Sound like a paradigm? It is . How does that work, well, putting on too much water at one time. Then the top soil can dry out while the plant sits in water, losing roots. Or if you are potbound, a light application of water just around the outside margin might help between waterings.

The idea behind watering is simple. Think of a glass of water. You want that glass to be half full before you water again. When it is half full, you cannot water heavily, just a light watering, just to moisten the top soil. Keep an eye on those older leaves, they should stand up. They aren't. The next watering the same, a light watering. When that pot is feeling very light you see a bit of stem sagging, time to water, and water this time until it comes out the bottom. Depending on the situation and evaporation, this might be 2, 3, even 4 light waterings. Watch to see the difference in vigor! You will like it.

With all that said, if you don't have enough Ca, you might not like these results as the salts will bite you hard due to osmotic pressure. And one more point, N is the enemy of Ca. They are antagonistic. And Ca is the toughest element and the most critical to get into your plant.

I am posting an article for you to read. Print it out. Then go pencil in the THC levels from table 6 into table 3. What you will see will make your jaw drop. Note the highest Ca in the leaves has the highest THC by 2 and 3 times!
Thank you for the information, I'm definitely going to try the light watering's and see how they like it.. so far I've only been watering when pots are light or when I see drooping.. but I always water till it comes out of the bottom. Hopefully the light watering's show some improvements
 

slownickel

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I would try an experiment on that bag. Why don't you send in a soil sample to a good lab? The cost is $40 or so and you will learn oodles about where you are...
 
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