Help me choose a 4x4flowertent light

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1212ham

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hybridway2 said:
As for 30% higher efficiency, i believe i said at 660w over a 4x4 but could be mistaken .
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You said: "The Bar-8 has a 1730 ppf dude. 2.8 UMOL/J set to 660w. 2.7 (2.689) @ 900w."

OK, how is 2.8 30% higher than 2.6?
And how much higher would the efficacy of the HLG be if dimmed the same percentage as the Amare?
 
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hybridway2

hybridway2

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1212ham said:
You said: "The Bar-8 has a 1730 ppf dude. 2.8 UMOL/J set to 660w. 2.7 (2.689) @ 900w."

OK, how is 2.8 30% higher than 2.6?
And how much higher would the efficacy of the HLG be if dimmed the same percentage as the Amare?
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Pretty sure i stated at 660w somwhere. Unless i accidentally went of Mi-Gro's 2.0 for hlg in a reflector box. Still .6 or .7 is allot. Granted his flat - integration may depreciate Amares too.
But you can clearly see the difference between the 2, QB-550's vs a single Bar 8 in a 6x4.5. Although i don't own specifically the 550's i have one better & the Trinity which is now basically the Eco. So i have a clue dude. And a par meter showing this in my threads at various points.
Id like to see the Bar-8 in Shane's Box with his honest review too though to be fair.
Idk. 2.6 of a no ir spectrum (lost yield) & is that board or system?, W/ like 35% + less reds. Bar vs small, dense board distribution? What our plants see is what matters. Not the ceiling of a sphere. But that's another story.
 
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Humple

Humple

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hybridway2 said:
I guess even now knowledge here on components & light distribution is all well know. Some will continue to be in denial. Common sense dude.
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We can agree to disagree on that point. My common sense tells me that a company that's to be taken seriously will shell out the relatively small amount of coin required to have their claims verified by someone who doesn't have a vested interest.
 
Humple

Humple

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hybridway2 said:
Pretty sure i stated at 660w somwhere. Unless i accidentally went of Mi-Gro's 2.0 for hlg in a reflector box. Still .6 or .7 is allot. Granted his flat - integration may depreciate Amares too.
But you can clearly see the difference between the 2, QB-550's vs a single Bar 8 in a 6x4.5. Although i don't own specifically the 550's i have one better & the Trinity which is now basically the Eco. So i have a clue dude. And a par meter showing this in my threads at various points.
Id like to see the Bar-8 in Shane's Box with his honest review too though to be fair.
Idk. 2.6 of a no ir spectrum (lost yield) & is that board or system?, W/ like 35% + less reds. Bar vs small, dense board distribution? What our plants see is what matters. Not the ceiling of a sphere. But that's another story.
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You have something other than your personal experience to support the claim that IR equals more yield? That's a serious question, because that's not something I know to be an established fact.
 
hybridway2

hybridway2

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Humple said:
We can agree to disagree on that point. My common sense tells me that a company that's to be taken seriously will shell out the relatively small amount of coin required to have their claims verified by someone who doesn't have a vested interest.
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No, agreed, just cuz they have spheres doesn't make it not necessarily. Look how hard it makes it for me.
When using more of an equal to better diode with same or better drivers with way thicker thermal mngmt & all the options makes it common sense to me but i hear ya.
Commercial growers want to know.
Why tenters argue over .4 umols is beyond me.
 
hybridway2

hybridway2

Amare Shill
Humple said:
You have something other than your personal experience to support the claim that IR equals more yield? That's a serious question, because that's not something I know to be an established fact.
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One you can check out is Bruce Bugbeees "Far Red, The forgotten photon".
Emerson effect came out in 1946 or something too.
Damn, everyone listened to what companies told them so to get max efficiency #'s off a par meter that does not read all photosynthetic points & not spend more money on much more expensive red chips. Smh!
 
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hybridway2

hybridway2

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christopher jordan said:
I really like Hybrid, but he said the China boards are 10 to 15% less efficient in his opinion. Same driver, and chips?
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I've no recollection of this. Try not to speak much on things i have no experience with.
Idk if knock offs carry the same chips. I don't trust it but it's minute for immediate photons. Longevity, warranty & service are the issues id imagine would be the biggest difference.
Have noticed the knock-offs offer upgrades as well as spectral options.
 
dontgotochina

dontgotochina

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Airwalker16 said:
Also, buy directly from HLG. Don't use indoorgrowingcanada.com
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Airwalker can you helo me. Im into the 2nd week of flowering and a 14 hour light on cycle. Ive just gone down to turn them ON and one light 600 wt hadnt switched off so effectively they've had light for 24hrs. I turned light off and now they're in complete darkness. They're from seed and have been doing grt. What should I do. Some say leave them for 24hours in dark some say switch 12 to 12. First mistake ever like this.
 
Rocket Soul

Rocket Soul

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hybridway2 said:
Lol! Im sorry. This is too much. Got PSurgo the BS Hater spewing his nonsense again.
Thank you @JOE GROWS for your faith & confidence in my knowledge. Its not easy when you tell the truth about your experiences. I've tested so much & have been honest every step of the way & is why someone like Stephen has sent me testers knowing Amare is my favorite company. Cause he wants honest insite & gains knowledge on spectrum from all of us. Recently I've been showing the advantages of adding the Amare Monos to the 96's to get outstanding results. You don't think a piece of that is stored in the back of his mind, waiting to try it. Hence the QB-18 & ir additions & UV. Now he even setting up his own hemp facility with spectrum testing as a primary reason i believe. Thats fucking awesome.
I've told Amare when i disagreed plenty of times & i bet Victor doesn't even like me. Haha! Anyways. I speak the facts how i see them & experience them in comparison to one another in my garden.
Can these other guys say the same???
As for 30% higher efficiency, i believe i said at 660w over a 4x4 but could be mistaken .
Anyways they both use quality & are good companies to deal with.
I preffer Amare for the spectrum, build quality, warranty, knowledge, design & efficiency over anything Ive tried . Hlg is not to far behind if pricing lined up to Horticultural lighting rather then efficiency of white light chips.
Doesn't mean i dont Love my 96's n dont think the QB would be great & better compete with a beafy bar desighn using the 324 boards more spread, larger, & with a Horticultural spectrum & better thermal mngmt that does what i see using enhanced compared to white, remote drivers & a real dimmer.
Then we can talk apples to apples guys.
Plus the Certs & IP ratings.
I mean really, is this even a discussion.
Lmao!
Oh, & I've told Stephen how i feel and would love to see a qb to my specs.
I have no dislike for HLG you trouble stirring, jock riding, trolls.
I do however believe to many are sleeping on the Bar-8 do to lack of advertising and Website info. Mind you, they were the first to hit the mkt at 2.7. If i remember correctly. And that's using ir outside the zone measured for lights these days.
Wait till the UVL hits with a real par meter.
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Iirc chilledled hit 2.7 on their gen2 before the bar-8, on a independent sphere.

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Rocket Soul

Rocket Soul

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The bar-8 surely looks like an impressive light. What seems not mentioned here is that it has much better spread than a hlg550. I feel its pointless arguing the ppf/w without taking this into account. Wall losses account for a lot more than those measley little % people are arguing about.
The addition monos in order to target a hortispectrum seems to have a definite effect on growth but afaik it hasnt been proven properly. The last tests i saw the winner was a targeted white spectrum (@Grow Lights Australia high light) that won over qb96 and qb288 both with a load of monos added. All fixtures were tuned so ppfd was the same and spectrums were very similar.
The high lights won, just barely, on a bit more weight a bit faster finish and clearly better looking product/bag appeal. The results would have to be duplicated really but it also mirrors our own experience: blux eb gen 1 2700k 90cri (vestas) beat the crap out of samsung 3000k 80cri, even on lower power levels. So although id like to see more grows and info im leaning towards getting your spectrum tuned towards red already in your white diodes rather than adding monos later on. White diodes (and the blue they are based on) has superior performance in efficiency and as far as handling heat.

As for the rest of the discussion: theres definite difference in saying "this is better" and "i like this better". Without independent testing on both products its hard to say which is better but everbody can like their light. Its also a bit pointless for users to get wound up in repping lights, shouldnt the light makers make the case to us rather than us to eachother?
 
Airwalker16

Airwalker16

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dontgotochina said:
Airwalker can you helo me. Im into the 2nd week of flowering and a 14 hour light on cycle. Ive just gone down to turn them ON and one light 600 wt hadnt switched off so effectively they've had light for 24hrs. I turned light off and now they're in complete darkness. They're from seed and have been doing grt. What should I do. Some say leave them for 24hours in dark some say switch 12 to 12. First mistake ever like this.
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Just give them 13 hrs of dark, 11 of light for 2 days, then go to 12/12. You'll be just fine.
 
Humple

Humple

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hybridway2 said:
One you can check out is Bruce Bugbeees "Far Red, The forgotten photon".
Emerson effect came out in 1946 or something too.
Damn, everyone listened to what companies told them so to get max efficiency #'s off a par meter that does not read all photosynthetic points & not spend more money on much more expensive red chips. Smh!
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Very good video, with good info. But it doesn't come close to convincing me that - in a shade avoiding plant like cannabis - far red reliably increases yield over simply adding more "white light". If we were on lettuceitup.org, this would be a different conversation. I'm ready and willing to be convinced, however. Just give me something compelling that's cannabis-specific.
 
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