HELP Miracle-Gro hurting my plants!

Hi everyone, so i need quick feedback please!! My girls are just coming up on a week old, they got started in MG seed starting Mix, then they started recieving slight nute burn, i moved them into 3 ga. Pots of MG original potting mix. They started giving more signs of nute burn, i thought maybe overwatering, so i changed to once every three days. Now more leaves have nute burn, im getting claws, and the very bottom fan leaves have yellow/browned and are about to fall off! I'm thinking a bad case of nute burn and nitrogen poisoning.
Also, it starts at the bottom up, but it does give new growth slightly off colored tips

Is flushing a valid solution? MG does have time release balls i dont want ti make the issue worse, is a simple transplant to 5ga containers of fox farms valid?

Please help me out, this is my first grow, im giving em all I can!!

yellow leaves from the bottom up are not a sighn of newt burn they are a sighn of nitrogen deficiency...the burn on your plants is not that bad, but as you are using mg time release flushing is not going to produce normal results. in future stay clear of mg and use any good cannabis soil adding newts along the way.

Pretty healthy overall, no nute burn, yellowing at bottom is normal for those leaves. Your clawing is very slight but is a sign not to add any more nutes and definitely do not flush as that will release lots of nutes. Stick with minimal watering schedule and all will be okay.

Certainly some N toxicity from what I can see from the clawing but as he said up above ^^, I did my first 2 grows in MG and ultimately switched to DWC because I figured out that because of MG's "Time Release" nutrients in the soil, which I've failed to find any without, left way, too much N in flower and cannot be flushed. I've seen lots of nice plants grown with their old formula for gardens, but after they added the "Feed's up to 6 months" on the bag, it all went downhill. If you're using MG it's just gonna be hard not too burn them...you should look into either FF soil or if you like MG that much then check out Scott's Organic, no time release and it's made by the same people. (You could always get plain top soil, then just apply your own MG nutes?...)

Logan Burke said:

Certainly some N toxicity from what I can see from the clawing but as he said up above ^^, I did my first 2 grows in MG and ultimately switched to DWC because I figured out that because of MG's "Time Release" nutrients in the soil, which I've failed to find any without, left way, too much N in flower and cannot be flushed. I've seen lots of nice plants grown with their old formula for gardens, but after they added the "Feed's up to 6 months" on the bag, it all went downhill. If you're using MG it's just gonna be hard not too burn them...you should look into either FF soil or if you like MG that much then check out Scott's Organic, no time release and it's made by the same people. (You could always get plain top soil, then just apply your own MG nutes?...)

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This is actually my first grow, so i don't have preference in soil yet, although i plan on changing to maybe fox farms for future grows deffinitely no more commercial crap, what brand is "DWC" ? I Deffijitely will take reccomendations

dwc is deep water culture it s hydroponics not soil growing...go onto ebay and type dwc hydroponics in and you will get a good read on what it is...

eugene b said:

yellow leaves from the bottom up are not a sighn of newt burn they are a sighn of nitrogen deficiency...the burn on your plants is not that bad, but as you are using mg time release flushing is not going to produce normal results. in future stay clear of mg and use any good cannabis soil adding newts along the way.

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Appreciate the feedback!! Any thoughts on if this will be an issue in the future when they switch to flowering? (Assuming this is six weeks down the road)

DWC just means Deep Water Culture, a style of hydroponics. Roots constantly sit in water while tons of O2 is being pumped from an air pump into the water. This is only my 3rd, but your doing pretty good for your first go. My first 2 were in MG. I had the exact nute burns you have, and it never really got much worse. However, when I switched to flowering it was a nightmare...Too much nitrogen, not enough P, my plants were getting scorched but I couldn't add bloom nutes because they all contained nitrogen, even if only a little. I had to choose between giving my plants water and burning them more or underwatering and slowing the burning down. Anyways, yeah man it's about impossible to find soil that you don't gotta add nutes too, my recommendation for soil would either be Scott's Organic or a mixture of Ocean Forest and Happy Frog. OF is very, very fertile and could burn seedlings. So I'd germ in Happy Frog and when they get big enough either mix into a pot of 50/50 Happy Frog/Ocean Forest or just begin applying your own fertilizer. Honestly though, coming from a beginner, I'd look into DWC...you add nutes just like you would with soil, and your plants get much bigger much faster. I think your plant will be ok though, I'd just re-pot it in one of the two I mentioned above. There are many other soils and brands that work great, those are just the best ones I've heard a lot of growers use. Sorry for the rambling, thanks for baring with me!

Already sure sign this plant is going to be a heavy eater....if it can handle MG 6 mo release most plants would be a burnt crisp by now

BinTrippin said:

Appreciate the feedback!! Any thoughts on if this will be an issue in the future when they switch to flowering? (Assuming this is six weeks down the road)

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you will be fine just don't over water given its time release soil...it is better to let your plants run a little dry and them water really well then to water a little and often...also little patches of water rather than good watering's doesnt encourage the roots to spread in the pots there in.

When you switch to flower it won't make much of a difference how you water, those are 6 month time released nutes and to add more P for flower it'll have even more nitrogen, even if not much. I just don't want you to go through the stress I did...and I never added any other ferts, only the soil. It does awesome for veg, a lil hot but awesome, but in flower...different story...

Logan Burke said:

DWC just means Deep Water Culture, a style of hydroponics. Roots constantly sit in water while tons of O2 is being pumped from an air pump into the water. This is only my 3rd, but your doing pretty good for your first go. My first 2 were in MG. I had the exact nute burns you have, and it never really got much worse. However, when I switched to flowering it was a nightmare...Too much nitrogen, not enough P, my plants were getting scorched but I couldn't add bloom nutes because they all contained nitrogen, even if only a little. I had to choose between giving my plants water and burning them more or underwatering and slowing the burning down. Anyways, yeah man it's about impossible to find soil that you don't gotta add nutes too, my recommendation for soil would either be Scott's Organic or a mixture of Ocean Forest and Happy Frog. OF is very, very fertile and could burn seedlings. So I'd germ in Happy Frog and when they get big enough either mix into a pot of 50/50 Happy Frog/Ocean Forest or just begin applying your own fertilizer. Honestly though, coming from a beginner, I'd look into DWC...you add nutes just like you would with soil, and your plants get much bigger much faster. I think your plant will be ok though, I'd just re-pot it in one of the two I mentioned above. There are many other soils and brands that work great, those are just the best ones I've heard a lot of growers use. Sorry for the rambling, thanks for baring with me!

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Hard hard does the DWC pound your wallet compared to soil growing? Like as far as constantly running co2

Diabolical666 said:

Already sure sign this plant is going to be a heavy eater....if it can handle MG 6 mo release most plants would be a burnt crisp by now

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Appreciate the confidence man!

It's more $ right off the bat for sure. After nutrients, and my 4 site RDWC I spent about 350$. That includes the air/water pumps, pH and TDS meter, and the expensive ass nutes I got. Had I went with GH nutes it woulda been more like 320$. You can build your own DWC setup pretty cheap though, had I done that it would've been a lot more like 150$. If I could do it over again, I would've certainly built my own. RIU has lots of very good guides to do it. You can choose between recirculating DWC or normal DWC, difference being RDWC buckets are all connected via pvc pipe and all lead back to another bucket with a water pump in it, which then pumps it back to your other buckets and the cycle continues. It helps when adding nutes because I just add them to my res and it mixes evenly in about 15 mins. A lot of people do normal DWC though, which is most often times stand-a-lone buckets.

Pro's of RDWC - Easier to add and mix nutrients, easier to check the pH on all your plants because you don't gotta check each bucket's stats. Easier to get consistent results (plant's nutes are more evenly dispensed versus measuring nutes out for each bucket).
Con's of RDWC - First and foremost, it would be Root Rot. If one plant in your setup develops root rot, it will spread to the others because they're sharing water. Extra $ on a water pump, however they're cheap. More hassle in assembling whether you DIY or not.

P.S. I use hydroguard in my rdwc and haven't had root rot at all since, even at 70-72F water temp. So, Root Rot isn't much of an issue if you're using hydroguard/aquashield, hydroguard's just the new version of Aquashield.

Yea MG POTTING MIX is bad stuff. Had to many over feeding problems with it. and it was only a solo cup worth.

If you MUST use MG - get the MG ORGANIC POTTING MIX . that has NO time release ferts and is okay for canna. I have 2 plants going in that stuff. is a soil/coco mix.

Otherwise transplant to a bigger pot with Foxfarm. Thats what i did to get away from the MG.

As others said, those lower yellowing is due to not enough N.