HELP pistils turning more red/brown then white too early

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KingofHearts2die4

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i always lst my plants and never have a problem with light..i do hope i didnt over feed them..they are green..thing is i have pepper plants that grew decent and they are in the same soil and were yellowing from the bottom up but since the transplant for both they have seemed to get bigger,not go threw any stress and love theyre new homes.

ps its only one plant lol
 
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Kingrow1

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holdenlots said:
is ph in the 5s not too low? i thought 6.5ish was the ideal no for soil?
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Ph 5 in runoff would indicate built up ferts and subsequent salts, 6.3 to 6.8 is the acceptable range for most soils suitable for growing weed. When you flush you flush the excess ferts out and salts hence why the pH will rise back up to near its original point. Generally i flush till the pH has risen that tells me i have flushed whats held in the soil out. I will always flush with pH6.5 water till runoff comes out close to 6.5, that way i know soil is clean again.

Suppose thats why you add half strength ferts back to the soil after a flush because there is little of nothing for the plant to eat after a proper flush. I hate flushing as it destablises my soil conditions, can be hard to recover from problems and a flush, takes time. Peace
 
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but i thought in organics with lots of bacteria and an environment created for them to thrice something like a ph of 5 wouldnt really matter
ive been told its a whole new ballgame when relying on those creatures to feed your plants.
also did some research but never ran into not having to worry so much about the ph
 
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KingofHearts2die4 said:
but i thought in organics with lots of bacteria and an environment created for them to thrice something like a ph of 5 wouldnt really matter
ive been told its a whole new ballgame when relying on those creatures to feed your plants.
also did some research but never ran into not having to worry so much about the ph
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I dont have all the answers here but as far as i have been told i believe the little soil microbes or microherd adjust the pH of the soil to suit there prefered level hence constantly buffering it to pH7 or close to.

Not to say that they can prevent a soil becoming acidic or alkaline but they seem to do a good job outside with little help from humans and just a fresh load of organic matter every autumn. Just make sure you keep the microherd happy and im sure they will keep you happy.

Hence why probably if the soil runoff pH was way low and ppm high then you have added too many ferts in the long run. Peace
 
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KingofHearts2die4

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other then for having the slow release nutes, and tons of micros to eat it.
if i flush it will i wipe out the lovely herd?
or would i flush out water soluable nutes i have added, and the micros at the same time
 
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Kingrow1

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KingofHearts2die4 said:
other then for having the slow release nutes, and tons of micros to eat it.
if i flush it will i wipe out the lovely herd?
or would i flush out water soluable nutes i have added, and the micros at the same time
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Questions i have yet to work the answer out for, most seem to advise against flushing in organic soil, i think you can flush a lot of the microherd out but i dont know this either. If i have ever had to flush in organic soil it seems very problematic afterwards, real hard to get the soil and plant stable, deficiency can occur very quickly. I see no reason to flush in organics but i dont know these answers unfortunatly. Peace
 
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Wetdog

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KingofHearts2die4 said:
well i have botanicare sweet, unsulphered molasses,gypsum, and epsom salt.
Who wants to ake a crack at a formula haha.

And if anyone cared about Hurricane Irene so far just a shit ton of rain and some okay winds...nothing big yet.Pray
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You need dolomite lime, for both pH and cal/mag. Gypsum is good, but won't do much for pH.

Get the lime. ~$5 for a 40lb bag at Lowes.

Wet
 
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KingofHearts2die4

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i ran a gallon of phed water i will do this for the remainder of the week to slowly..went to hydro store and they did a ph of 8 water and strained my dirt i gave them, came out in the low mid 6's mean with 7 it would lower to 5...thanks for the imput guys.i hate how every year i run into a ph problem with no matter how much calcium comes in this mix...either that or this girl must really eat it and it doesnt buffer the soil.idk

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Kinggrow....good question
is that question on not having to flush out yucky chemicals, or the impact it could have with the recovery/detrimental effects
 
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I was told and subscribe to the proper way to flush, run pH7 water through the soil till the pH of the runoff rises back up to pH7 or close enough, anyone else saying different knows somthing i dont and would welcome the extra knowledge or is wrong.

I use to believe all the pH nonesense and reading runoff till was told otherwise and believe me i didnt want to believe i was wrong at first. Lime is the only thing that will pH your soil, your runoff is telling you the fert level normally, it should rise and fall as the plant eats the nutrients and you replace them, try checking the ppm of your water.

A proper flush cleans the soil and hence water in reads similar pH to water out, no good flushing with pH8 water till you get pH7 runoff, this is wrong.

I doubt you will get half as much pH problems if you just ignore it!lol! Add dolomite lime if you do have pH problems and is an easy way to solve it. Do you read soil pH in the runoff? this is generally wrong unfortunatly. Peace
 
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Kingrow1 said:
I was told and subscribe to the proper way to flush, run pH7 water through the soil till the pH of the runoff rises back up to pH7 or close enough, anyone else saying different knows somthing i dont and would welcome the extra knowledge or is wrong.

I use to believe all the pH nonesense and reading runoff till was told otherwise and believe me i didnt want to believe i was wrong at first. Lime is the only thing that will pH your soil, your runoff is telling you the fert level normally, it should rise and fall as the plant eats the nutrients and you replace them, try checking the ppm of your water.

A proper flush cleans the soil and hence water in reads similar pH to water out, no good flushing with pH8 water till you get pH7 runoff, this is wrong.

I doubt you will get half as much pH problems if you just ignore it!lol! Add dolomite lime if you do have pH problems and is an easy way to solve it. Do you read soil pH in the runoff? this is generally wrong unfortunatly. Peace
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im confused?!?

im just watering with phed water.your say thing is wrong?
 
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Kingrow1

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What do you pH your water too? I would recomend pH7 to be good and when reading runoff the more ferts you add the lower the pH goes. I was not saying you were wrong i was just mentioning how to read soil runoff, so many think that a low soil runoff pH means acidic soil, to me it dosent if you have added ferts then this is quite often the reason.

Add some ferts to a glass of water, what happens? Answer is the pH of the water drops.

Now add some ferts to some water and add to the soil. Add more water and read runoff, what happens? Answer the ferts added to the soil have run out in the runoff and lowered pH.

This has nothing to do with soil acidity, still add the lime but that is what i believe. Peace
 
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KingofHearts2die4

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well i just watered with 7...the slow release nutes happy frog and budswell, i ground up in a magic bullet hoping to make it easier to break down since it was alittle chunky. but i did add alot of happy frog to soil that already had nutrients in it. so your saying that the plant hasnt absorbed the nutrients in the soil but since there is an abundancy its lowering ph...not making the food available anyway?
 
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KingofHearts2die4 said:
well i just watered with 7...the slow release nutes happy frog and budswell, i ground up in a magic bullet hoping to make it easier to break down since it was alittle chunky. but i did add alot of happy frog to soil that already had nutrients in it. so your saying that the plant hasnt absorbed the nutrients in the soil but since there is an abundancy its lowering ph...not making the food available anyway?
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Yep sort off is what im saying i guess, i like this idea rather than yours which is that your soil turns acidic very easily in every grow. Try reading the runoff at the next watering, a high ppm level is also an indication of built up ferts.

Peace
 
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got "fast acting lime" has no magnesium in it what it looks like, and also doesnt seem to have the word "hydrated" so im going to use this within the next couple days...anyone have an application amount to a gallon of what to bring up by about 1 point
 
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Hmm is the ingredient catylitic lime or somthing, if its recomende for plants then should be good, is not dolomitic limestone without magnesium.

Find out what type and grade of lime it is to work out application rates or maybe trust what the instructions say. I would think the faster acting the less needs applying, is that the brand name 'fast acting lime'? Peace
 
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Ah it is calcitic lime or calcium carbonate, is quite harmless to plants and very natural, i seen other growers using similar products. I use one tablespoon of dolomitic lime as a rule for all soil mixes i make. I would recomend either similar or a little less. There are threads on this somewhere and they will say application rate. Best to unerdo the lime to start with as more can be topdressed into the soil when needed. Hope this helps, maybe a thread on your lime product so other growers who know it can advise you on exactly what to use. Peace
 
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KingofHearts2die4 said:
got "fast acting lime" has no magnesium in it what it looks like, and also doesnt seem to have the word "hydrated" so im going to use this within the next couple days...anyone have an application amount to a gallon of what to bring up by about 1 point
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Sprinkle 2tbl/gallon of mix on the surface and water in. Ex:3 gallon pot, use 6tbl of the lime.

It's hard to over apply, but you can certainly under apply it and it won't have much of an effect.

Calcitic lime=no mag ... no problem. Just do a tsp of epsom salts in a gallon of water every now and then, like every couple of weeks, or top dress with a little and the regular waterings will take care of it.

I know it's late in this grow, but be sure and add the lime to your mix before use for the next grow. 2tbl/gallon of mix, or 1cup/cf of mix.

Wet
 
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