Help please! Week 4 flower

OldMedUser

OldMedUser

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A serious infestation of gnats will destroy the root hairs and the plants will dry right up as they lose ability to take up up water. Looks the same as if you haven't watered at all.

Last time I had them I put up a dozen sticky traps, covered the surface of the soil completely with a half inch of diatomaceous earth and watered from the bottom to make sure the top stayed dry. The little buggers can get in and out through the drain holes too so I stuffed paper towel in them to trap the buggers in. Less than two weeks there was no sign of them.

Getting rid of all the adults constantly goes a long way to getting rid of those pests so put sticky traps on the walls, in the pots and dangling from the roof if that's what it takes. The ones in the pots get them as they emerge so don't be cheap with them there. Once the DE is there they shouldn't be able to emerge. I got a 30lb bag of it 15 years ago for about $30 from the feed store and still have about 1/4 of it left. We use it in the garden to get rid of ants and other pests too. Wife uses it to dust her chickens with to get rid of mites etc as well. Don't use the DE made for water filtration as it's been heat treated and lost it's sharp edges so no better against bugs than beach sand. The food grade stuff from the health food stores is the same as the animal feed one but cleaner I guess and cost like cocaine. :)

Good luck.
 
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Dirka

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OldMedUser said:
A serious infestation of gnats will destroy the root hairs and the plants will dry right up as they lose ability to take up up water. Looks the same as if you haven't watered at all.

Last time I had them I put up a dozen sticky traps, covered the surface of the soil completely with a half inch of diatomaceous earth and watered from the bottom to make sure the top stayed dry. The little buggers can get in and out through the drain holes too so I stuffed paper towel in them to trap the buggers in. Less than two weeks there was no sign of them.

Getting rid of all the adults constantly goes a long way to getting rid of those pests so put sticky traps on the walls, in the pots and dangling from the roof if that's what it takes. The ones in the pots get them as they emerge so don't be cheap with them there. Once the DE is there they shouldn't be able to emerge. I got a 30lb bag of it 15 years ago for about $30 from the feed store and still have about 1/4 of it left. We use it in the garden to get rid of ants and other pests too. Wife uses it to dust her chickens with to get rid of mites etc as well. Don't use the DE made for water filtration as it's been heat treated and lost it's sharp edges so no better against bugs than beach sand. The food grade stuff from the health food stores is the same as the animal feed one but cleaner I guess and cost like cocaine. :)

Good luck.
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Interesting thanks!! I have be hunting those damn nats hard. Usually take the vacuum in the grow and suck up what I can get flying around. The rest I hope the sticky traps grab them.
I think Tuesday will be water day and I'm going to try feeding from the bottom up. Hope for the best.
 
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Bowser4:20

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whitebb2727 said:
I agree.

Chronic under watering.

The soil has become hydrophobic. Peat is bad for it. It gets so dry it won't take water.

You have them in a screen so moving them won't work.

Work a pan or something that will hold water. Water several times about 10 minutes apart. Add a drop of dish soap to the water to break water tension.

If it wicks the water up from the pan keep adding water to the pan until it quits wicking water up.

Chronic under watering and dry spots will lead to wilted yellowing leaves. It will also cause necrosis(brown dead spots.)

Proper watering technique makes or breaks a grow.
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Are you sure because over watering can make the leaves curl and start the yellow.


After watering, your plants start drooping. Usually the droopy leaves will feel firm and appear curled down (the whole leaf will be curled, not just the tips, which is often a sign of nitrogen toxicity). With overwatered cannabis plants, you may also notice Chlorosis (Leaf Yellowing).

Overwatering does not always mean you've been giving the plant too much water. It often means you've been giving the plant water too often, or growing plants in a growing medium without enough drainage.

"Taken from another page"

Just bear it in mind
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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MMJ Dreaming 99 said:
I saw a video when a guy used sand and added a little food based diatemecious earth for top soil layer. I wonder if the sand has enough silica to cut the bogs up.
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I always add diatamacous earth to my soil mix. The sand or perlite is not to cut them up, it is to break the breeding cycle.
Bowser4:20 said:
Are you sure because over watering can make the leaves curl and start the yellow.


After watering, your plants start drooping. Usually the droopy leaves will feel firm and appear curled down (the whole leaf will be curled, not just the tips, which is often a sign of nitrogen toxicity). With overwatered cannabis plants, you may also notice Chlorosis (Leaf Yellowing).

Overwatering does not always mean you've been giving the plant too much water. It often means you've been giving the plant water too often, or growing plants in a growing medium without enough drainage.

"Taken from another page"

Just bear it in mind
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Yes. I'm sure. Over and under both have a distinct look each.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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goldberg71b said:
I use pro mix so I can't help you. Mixing your own soil can be great. But you better get it right. Once it's in there if quantities aren't right or ratios are off correcting it isn't easy. Did you let it "cook"? Something is wrong for sure.

40% humidity isn't enough. There's a chart if you search.
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40% humidity is just fine.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Dirka said:
Your correct Nats not flys... I water every 2-3 days. With about half gallon of water each time. 3 gal pots. Think I should change it? They have been starved of nutes too but I finally have some good feed for them. Hopefully things look up
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Yes. That is not enough water. You need to be thoroughly watering. Now in flower more water is being used.

Its why your humidity is low. 40% is fine. Mine hovers around there. It can also tell you that you are not watering enough.

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Spent its whole life in high 30 to low 40 percent humidity.
 
MMJ Dreaming 99

MMJ Dreaming 99

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whitebb2727 said:
I always add diatamacous earth to my soil mix. The sand or perlite is not to cut them up, it is to break the breeding cycle.

Yes. I'm sure. Over and under both have a distinct look each.
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You are the boss bro. Thanks for the tip. Food grade? Carefully sprinkle in? Any precautions? I thought you said once to be careful with Dia Earth and your lungs.
 
OldMedUser

OldMedUser

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MMJ Dreaming 99 said:
You are the boss bro. Thanks for the tip. Food grade? Carefully sprinkle in? Any precautions? I thought you said once to be careful with Dia Earth and your lungs.
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Food grade is the same as animal feed grade but a lot more expensive so don't spend more than you have to.

Like handling perlite or any other dusty material you just want to be careful not to breathe the stuff in so don't toss it around or have the fan blowing when you do handle it. It's long term exposure that is dangerous. It will wick the oils out of your skin so gloves are a good idea. That, along with the jagged edges, is what kills the bugs. Slices them open at the joints if they are hard-bodied bugs then dries them up.

To apply to leaves you can add a heaping Tbsp to a liter of water in a sprayer and with constant shaking spray it on. Once it dries it works great to get rid of mites, aphids etc and you don't have to worry about inhaling it unless you're huffing the overspray. :)

Use a cheapo sprayer as it is abrasive and tends to eat up the piston on hand sprayers. Ones you pump up with air and spray should be OK as the mix doesn't go thru the pump parts.

:peace:
 
MMJ Dreaming 99

MMJ Dreaming 99

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OldMedUser said:
Food grade is the same as animal feed grade but a lot more expensive so don't spend more than you have to.

Like handling perlite or any other dusty material you just want to be careful not to breathe the stuff in so don't toss it around or have the fan blowing when you do handle it. It's long term exposure that is dangerous. It will wick the oils out of your skin so gloves are a good idea. That, along with the jagged edges, is what kills the bugs. Slices them open at the joints if they are hard-bodied bugs then dries them up.

To apply to leaves you can add a heaping Tbsp to a liter of water in a sprayer and with constant shaking spray it on. Once it dries it works great to get rid of mites, aphids etc and you don't have to worry about inhaling it unless you're huffing the overspray. :)

Use a cheapo sprayer as it is abrasive and tends to eat up the piston on hand sprayers. Ones you pump up with air and spray should be OK as the mix doesn't go thru the pump parts.

:peace:
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I remember a post about a guy mixing it with water in a spray bottle and spraying his room. He was warned that it was dangerous. I think for plants I will stick w Forbid.
 
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Dirka

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Pics/ update. Plant is definetly growing still but killing leaves too. Gonna up the water intake and begin with bottom watering like suggested. The crystal is still sparkly so not all is lost.
 

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