help please
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Mother's Finest
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Better off being all organic, not really. As we tell everyone asking about growing all organicly, chemicals are all over the natural world and don't need to be avoided religiously except to fit into someone's set of rules (e.g. FDA Organic guidelines).
Talking about using organics over chemicals, rather than about going all organic, you don't need increased growth rate for houseplants. So, all of those benefits should be ignored. The remaining benefits for using organics include not burning as easily as chemicals and having natural trace elements.
Personally, I think most chemicals should be used outdoors where there's alot of earth and rain to dilute it, time for organisms to process it and large plants that are less susceptible to burn consuming it. Plants confined in pots should get mild, natural ferts imo. With houseplants that don't need fast, strong growth, very little is needed anyway.
Talking about using organics over chemicals, rather than about going all organic, you don't need increased growth rate for houseplants. So, all of those benefits should be ignored. The remaining benefits for using organics include not burning as easily as chemicals and having natural trace elements.
Personally, I think most chemicals should be used outdoors where there's alot of earth and rain to dilute it, time for organisms to process it and large plants that are less susceptible to burn consuming it. Plants confined in pots should get mild, natural ferts imo. With houseplants that don't need fast, strong growth, very little is needed anyway.
Mother's Finest
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We are all for organics and all of our fertilizers are organic. We gotta say, however, that it's a little hard to believe that you can taste the difference between plants grown with organic fertilizers that had their pH adjusted with an inorganic acid and plants grown "all organically." I mean, what is the difference in taste?
meetjoeblow
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whether its organic or not really shouldnt matter. just make sure your nutrients are food grade
mcpurple
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they do taste better, more fresh, a bit more juicy, and you just get the satisfaction knowing it is all good for you. i dont adjust my ph with chems, i use lime or oyster shells to buffer it, if you use a chem ph solution it defeats the purpose of organics.
this has already gotten off topic and i still haven't got a answer to my Q.
so here is the Q again.
my Q is would house plants and other non edible plants be better off being all organic or does it matter with these types of plants?
im not trying to be rude or a dick i just want to here what people have to say about it so i can make a decision for my self as to what to do.
thank you for your responses, they are much appreciated
Sensisansei
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Great advise by mothers finest. I would have to agree as Im a totally organic grower and to your question i believe as you say above "it tastes beter"! Im not a master lettuce grower! Although i know organics well and believe strongly in the organic medium. That being said you can use some "Organic based" ferts/nutes because it can be difficult for some to start out totally organic. It took me time until i had a soil mix that could carry nearly any plant threw flower and at the end add a bit of molasis and or pure sugar cane, has worked well as a 5-6th week wonder for myself yet the rest of the time i use pure h20 and that is all. The medium does the rest. Which for some is just not do able. So you can do a pseudo organic run, which works well also just not as perfected. For some maybe easier as ive worked with a few different growers and helping them out i realized it took the space, time & passion to be 100% organic and not everyone is willing to go that extra mile. Which is where i get such satisfaction out of the organics i grow and seeing the differance compared to perfectly grown hydro! Hope that rambling helped a bit! Peace, SENSI
Mother's Finest
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This is a lie. There are inorganic substances, like many acids & bases that can be used to adjust pH, which do not affect the flavor of the finished buds. Organic fertilizers are great but just because a substance isn't organic doesn't mean it's bad for you or your plants.
mcpurple
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yes but i wont use them in my organic grow, it would defeat it being organic. my ph is just fine and if it needs raised i will use lime or oyster shells like i said why cuz it will be organic.
my soil for the veggies is gonna be just fine to grow veggies, i did it last year with not nutes or compost just dirt and water and the plants did great, but this year i want to get them even better.
and no not a lie.
i asked a simple question, why cant it be answered why are you trying to argue a point of something i dont care about right now
mellokitty
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from reading the thread it seems like you're pretty committed to organics (we're married to dirt and shit ourselves) kudos! it certainly couldn't hurt to carry that ideology into your non-edibles, etc.
(we have a toddler so we can't really have houseplants, but if we did we'd certainly have to fert with something he could hypothetically grab with a handful of dirt and eat.... lol)
one thing i've noticed from *buying organic produce is that it's quite often less 'perfect' looking. for instance, our local strawberries are quite often way smaller and the colour isn't as brilliant as the ones from cali or mexico, which look like steroid monkeys in comparison (although they can't touch ours for sweetness and that 'strawberryish' flavour). i would wonder if that would be the case with ornamentals as well. i've read about organics aiding the plant's natural immune system as well, but on the other hand, the stuff they need to fight off are becoming more and more foritified....
oops, gotta go. will be back to finish that thought tonight.
(we have a toddler so we can't really have houseplants, but if we did we'd certainly have to fert with something he could hypothetically grab with a handful of dirt and eat.... lol)
one thing i've noticed from *buying organic produce is that it's quite often less 'perfect' looking. for instance, our local strawberries are quite often way smaller and the colour isn't as brilliant as the ones from cali or mexico, which look like steroid monkeys in comparison (although they can't touch ours for sweetness and that 'strawberryish' flavour). i would wonder if that would be the case with ornamentals as well. i've read about organics aiding the plant's natural immune system as well, but on the other hand, the stuff they need to fight off are becoming more and more foritified....
oops, gotta go. will be back to finish that thought tonight.
mcpurple
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thank you both, i think with the non edible i will just use a all around chem fert like a 15-15-15 or something along those lines, i might just use MG ferts for them, house plants seem to do good with MG.
i have my garden thread in the veggie section under McPurps 2011 veggie grow if any one wants to check it out.
peace
The White Buffalo
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I hit the house plants with either left over Earth Juice nutes from watering the MJ or just a little miracle grow. Half strength every few months and they do great.
snew
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If you compost it may be beneficial to keep it organic just for that.
mcpurple
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i never thought of that but i dont do compost, i want to get into making some though
Delta Bella
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Start a Worm farm this year your House plants and Veggie garden will love the worm castings..
mellokitty
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my friend's mom has one of these countertop composters: sleek stainless steel, and it works! (i love lee valley tools, they have great random items that are "!!!!!" for our rooms too....)
http://www.leevalley.com/en/garden/page.aspx?p=62018&cat=2,33140
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