Help VERY sick Plant. Need a plant doc RIGHT AWAY!

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gunner9218

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Ive been growing this specific plant for about 2 1/2, 3 months and its been growing very very well. Well about 2 days ago and after 2 days of not checking on my plants I find this one in very wittle shape. All my other plants are just fine. This one was great and all of the sudden it just stop growing and looks like its dying slowly. Its about to flower to I dont want it to die. The leaves are super droopy and I dont think its caused from over watering. I'm thinking it just has no more room to grow or something. I only given her half strenth nutes this pass couple weeks. But a few weeks earlier Ive been given it full strenth.

I cant believe it 2 days ago it was nice and healthy now it looks shitty and wants to die. Help me save her.
 

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schmitra

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usually the wilting like that occurs if the plant has not had enough to drink. however it can also happen due to overwatering. i would put money on either one. just a little green thumb tip. Put your fingertip into the soil down to your second knuckle if it is dry water it, if it is not do not water it.
 
BCBuddy420

BCBuddy420

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Okay let's save this beauty. It is not a nutrient issue as these are always shown by leaf damage like brown tips of leaves and spots/drying of leaves. Your plant is definitely just under or over watered, should be an easy save. You have to check the soil with your fingers and see how moist it is about 3 inches down. Decide whether it is over or under watering and we will go from there,

~ BCbuddy :leaf:
 
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gunner9218

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Hell yes Good vibes from ya'll saying it could be saved!!

Ok well before I came to this site and post about the soil looked pretty dry. What happened was I saw new roots growing on the stalk. So I thought to myself if thats a good thing. I then started to place soil on top of the new roots and there were dried up little roots below the top soil so I'm like maybe it needs more soil? So then I placed more soil on top thinking it was rootbound. And I watered it a little bit. I always water after I put soil on.

But ok tomorrow I will go out and check how really dry it is. I'll place my finger straight down. And if it feels crust I should water it? Kinda freaked me out the first time I saw the plant I felt so bad it looked like that, compared to the others.
 
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rucca

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if its dry water it, if its moist/wet don't water it. it will instantly perk up when it gets the correct amount of water (edit, instantly in plant time that is)
 
Carl Spackler

Carl Spackler

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Many plants are sensitive to the addition of soils over their original planting depth. Since oxygen surrounding the root system is at least equal in importance to having adequate moisture, nutrients etc., it is possible that the roots were simply suffocating due to the addition of soil on top over the root mass and/or trunk-base. Whenever transplanting plants to a new container it is important to minimize stress by: 1. Water the existing soil thoroughly to the point of runoff. 2. Take a thin blade and loosen the root mass from the perimeter of the container. 3. Grasp the trunk and carefully pull the entire plant from the container and add new soil medium to the bottom of the container until the plant is just below the level of the top of the container. If you see water pooling in the bottom of the container it would also be a good idea to add several drainage holes at this time. If the roots are growing in a circular pattern and appear to be confined you can also invert the root mass and simply cut the roots vertically about 1"-2" deep in a " + " pattern and carefully separate the 4 sections away from each other and replant. The plant should respond with vigorous new growth. This goes for many, many plants that are "rootbound", not just cannabis.
 
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gunner9218

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Carl Spackler said:
Many plants are sensitive to the addition of soils over their original planting depth. Since oxygen surrounding the root system is at least equal in importance to having adequate moisture, nutrients etc., it is possible that the roots were simply suffocating due to the addition of soil on top over the root mass and/or trunk-base. Whenever transplanting plants to a new container it is important to minimize stress by: 1. Water the existing soil thoroughly to the point of runoff. 2. Take a thin blade and loosen the root mass from the perimeter of the container. 3. Grasp the trunk and carefully pull the entire plant from the container and add new soil medium to the bottom of the container until the plant is just below the level of the top of the container. If you see water pooling in the bottom of the container it would also be a good idea to add several drainage holes at this time. If the roots are growing in a circular pattern and appear to be confined you can also invert the root mass and simply cut the roots vertically about 1"-2" deep in a " + " pattern and carefully separate the 4 sections away from each other and replant. The plant should respond with vigorous new growth. This goes for many, many plants that are "rootbound", not just cannabis.
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O dam ok so do you think I should take the soil back out tomorrow and just pull the plant up and put the new soil on the bottom? then put it back.

I'm trying to figure out what you mean about cutting the roots. I dont know if there is away to elaborate on it more then it all ready is.

And thanks for the tips man!
 
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greenman28

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He means that if you were looking at the root mass while the plant was upside down, and the bottom circle of the root mass was still intact, you would slice through the middle of it one way, and then perpendicular to that, so it is in 4 equal sections. This is because when a plant is rootbound the tap root will circle around the bottom of the put creating a mass of roots that is not beneficial for the plant. You will help this roots by breaking them up so they are free to expand into the new medium.

Also want to add that with those orange buckets it's good to drill some holes around the bottom rim, since the rim tends to dig into whatever it's sitting on and may not allow enough oxygen to the roots through the drainage holes. Could also drill into the sides near the bottom, above the rim.
 
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gunner9218

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Ok I see what you mean, bout the roots. But im not sure what you mean intact. How would you know if the root is intact or not? And slicing the roots wont do any stunt to the plant? This seems like an operation that is hard if your not really know what your doing.

Ill get to drilling the holes tomorrow. And what about the soil I added keep or put it on the bottom
 
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greenman28

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I was using an example, saying that if the mass "were" an "intact" circle, that is how you would make the cut. Really you just need to break up that root mass in the bottom, recommend cutting or breaking by hand in a few places around that circle of roots. When you transplant you should water with some Vitamin B1 a day beforehand, or at transplant if that's the best you can do, at about 1tbsp per gallon. Transplanting can stunt the plant, but not as much as if it is rootbound, if in fact that is the case. Your plants are well-established and shouldn't have too much trouble with the transplant, and the B1 will reduce the amount of transplant stress. At most you may lost a day. When I transplant I rarely notice any slowing of growth at all, even if I am transplanting early. However, a plant that is growing slowly because it is rootbound will explode within a day or so when it gets transplanted.

Update: Just realized the guy above was just telling you to break up the roots, not transplant. However, cuts still made in same way, and I still recommend some vitamin B1 ($5/gallon at Home Depot). If you are rootbound a transplant is still a good idea, MJ roots grow incredibly fast and you will have problems later.
 
cowboylogic

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Looks pretty thirsty too me. Plants that size in 5 gal buckets often need to be watered daily. Especially during hot weather.
 
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gunner9218

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greenman28 said:
I was using an example, saying that if the mass "were" an "intact" circle, that is how you would make the cut. Really you just need to break up that root mass in the bottom, recommend cutting or breaking by hand in a few places around that circle of roots. When you transplant you should water with some Vitamin B1 a day beforehand, or at transplant if that's the best you can do, at about 1tbsp per gallon. Transplanting can stunt the plant, but not as much as if it is rootbound, if in fact that is the case. Your plants are well-established and shouldn't have too much trouble with the transplant, and the B1 will reduce the amount of transplant stress. At most you may lost a day. When I transplant I rarely notice any slowing of growth at all, even if I am transplanting early. However, a plant that is growing slowly because it is rootbound will explode within a day or so when it gets transplanted.

Update: Just realized the guy above was just telling you to break up the roots, not transplant. However, cuts still made in same way, and I still recommend some vitamin B1 ($5/gallon at Home Depot). If you are rootbound a transplant is still a good idea, MJ roots grow incredibly fast and you will have problems later.
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Ok I see so tomorrow I'll also cut the roots that are on the bottom of the bucket. And so do you think I should plant it in a 7 gal bucket. Or more then that I dont want it to get to much bigger though but I dont want it to die.
 
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gunner9218

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cowboylogic said:
Looks pretty thirsty too me. Plants that size in 5 gal buckets often need to be watered daily. Especially during hot weather.
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Ah sweet if thats the case then thats good cause then she would love the the bit of water I gave her and if not then hopefully it wont make it worse
 
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gunner9218

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Well most of you saying its underwatered. Soooo it looks like im givin it watered when I get a chance to go check on em today :hug::weed:
 
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thalboy

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I don't think root pruning or transplanting is the way to go in this situation. I think your best bet is to double pot the plant. Get the largest container you can use for this plant and fill it up about 2/3rds full. Take the current bucket and cut off the bottom 5 inches or so, be careful not to cut through a bunch of roots. Take the plant with the newly cut bucket and put it in your new container. All you have to do is make sure that everything is secure. This will reduce transplant shock and chance of accidents while at the same time giving you all the advantages of new medium.
 
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gunner9218

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thalboy said:
I don't think root pruning or transplanting is the way to go in this situation. I think your best bet is to double pot the plant. Get the largest container you can use for this plant and fill it up about 2/3rds full. Take the current bucket and cut off the bottom 5 inches or so, be careful not to cut through a bunch of roots. Take the plant with the newly cut bucket and put it in your new container. All you have to do is make sure that everything is secure. This will reduce transplant shock and chance of accidents while at the same time giving you all the advantages of new medium.
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Ok when you mean 2/3 full you mean with soil or water? Just double checking.

And I think theres gunna be tons of roots on the bottom if I do want to cut at least five inches from the bottom and there alot of roots there, should I cut through them. Or should I take the whole plant out and just cut the bucket.

Any tool I can use to cut it? I have no power tools that I can plug into since its out in the wood :)
 
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gunner9218

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Ok so I do believe it was very under watered. BUuuuttt I watered it pretty well. Another plant started to get droopy so I watered that one to.

Now after I got done watering I was looking at the plants underside leaves and noticed a good amount of small eggs of some sort. Soo I sat down and one by one I picked most the eggs I can on each leave. That took about a couple hours. And right before I left after takin off the eggs I noticed the plant looked so much better. It was still a lil droopy but it def look like progress. I say Im going to water it tomorrow to and by the next day it should be back to normal

Thanks guys!
 
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pinxpointxpupil

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Don't over water it now man, you corrected your first mistake, let's not make a second one.

Plants move i slow motion man you can never expect instant results with anything really so just wait over night, i bet your plant is perky tomorrow.

Don't transplant into a 7g either if you don't want it too much bigger. The more medium you have the larger it will allow your plant to get.
 
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gunner9218

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LOL

Yea I'll try not to overwater it now. I'll go back there today and see if needs to be watered again. If not then I wait till tomorrow:weed:
 
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