help with bugs please

drsaltzman

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Dish soap doesn't hurt a thing ...lots of people use it as a wetting agent for foliar applications....I normally use Dawn ...but if I'm out of that il use whatever's around with absolutely no issue.
I've heard of people using dish soap ... but I've also heard of people eating soap too.
I'm strictly an organic gardener so personally I would never use it.
But our friend JimiPK has some restrictions and in that case you gotta do what you gotta do.
 

SchmoeJoe

Well-Known Member
That's awesome man. Sometimes here in the US and especially Oregon we take for granted that growing is as easy as going to the store for supplies.
Keep up the good work!
I'm spoiled that way. In Eugene I'm 5 minutes from 4 indoor gardening stores and two of my favorite brands are right here in my home town.
 

Dr. Who

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Whiteflies are beatable. Takes vigilance but beatable.
Insecticidal soap will get rid of them without the harshness of detergents or chemicals.
It's made from potassium fatty acids. It's pretty cheap too.
I wouldn't use household or dish soap.

LMFAO. Really? "Beatable"? How nice you googled that up. Now welcome to the real world.

To make insecticidal soap actually get even close to beating white flies. You should apply it by hand to every leaf, everyday, and only when it's cool and not in direct sunlight. Don't forget the bottom of the leaves! 3-4 week minimum to even control the white flies this way...

I've run a large commercial (flower/tropical) greenhouse operation. White flies are the bane of growers existence! THE most difficult pest to control, let alone attempt to eliminate.
I've had to live through an infestation. Isolation of the effected area of the GH. The use of White Fly parasites (Encarsia formosa and Eretmocerus eremicus) to gain control and certain pesticides to really help gain control and maybe elimination with a several pronged attack.

BotaniGuard WP (Organic)
and
Orthene 97 (Acephate 97 UP)

Used as a one 2 punch, by alternating the weeks treatment for 3 weeks (along with eliminating deeply infected plants) Now keep in mind we had also had plenty of the 2 parasites released (Shit ton in the uneffected area of the GH to prevent infestation from spreading)...This took a month to clear and the plant loss count was high...

I would rather get root aphids!

That plant is toast! Way to beaten up by the infestation to even produce an acceptable harvest. Not to mention the crap left on the plant. Including bug remains, honeydew and eggs.

SCRAP THAT PLANT!

Find where that infestation was sourced. If you can, treat that to continue outside next year..... I strongly suggest you skip outside in that area and move to a controlled space indoors. Be sure you go in that space - Clean! Do not handle any outside plants or work outside before you enter your MM garden space!

White flies are not a "minor" thing!

Good luck - OP
 

Dr. Who

Well-Known Member
Whatever the method, get rid of em fast. White flies can easily host spider mites.
Hell man, the pheromones that the damaged and stressed plant gives off attracts mites. They would be considered a "secondary infestation" , brought on by the first.

Nasty, nasty shit - white flies.
 

drsaltzman

Well-Known Member
LMFAO. Really? "Beatable"? How nice you googled that up. Now welcome to the real world.

To make insecticidal soap actually get even close to beating white flies. You should apply it by hand to every leaf, everyday, and only when it's cool and not in direct sunlight. Don't forget the bottom of the leaves! 3-4 week minimum to even control the white flies this way...

I've run a large commercial (flower/tropical) greenhouse operation. White flies are the bane of growers existence! THE most difficult pest to control, let alone attempt to eliminate.
I've had to live through an infestation. Isolation of the effected area of the GH. The use of White Fly parasites (Encarsia formosa and Eretmocerus eremicus) to gain control and certain pesticides to really help gain control and maybe elimination with a several pronged attack.

BotaniGuard WP (Organic)
and
Orthene 97 (Acephate 97 UP)

Used as a one 2 punch, by alternating the weeks treatment for 3 weeks (along with eliminating deeply infected plants) Now keep in mind we had also had plenty of the 2 parasites released (Shit ton in the uneffected area of the GH to prevent infestation from spreading)...This took a month to clear and the plant loss count was high...

I would rather get root aphids!

That plant is toast! Way to beaten up by the infestation to even produce an acceptable harvest. Not to mention the crap left on the plant. Including bug remains, honeydew and eggs.

SCRAP THAT PLANT!

Find where that infestation was sourced. If you can, treat that to continue outside next year..... I strongly suggest you skip outside in that area and move to a controlled space indoors. Be sure you go in that space - Clean! Do not handle any outside plants or work outside before you enter your MM garden space!

White flies are not a "minor" thing!

Good luck - OP
Our friend JimiPK isnt running a major greenhouse operation.
He's in a third world country trying to salvage what he can for his head.
Why would you shoot down his attempt to do so? He's so close he can taste it.
I have whiteflies in my trellised apple tree.
Sprayed them down every day with a hand held until the leaves were saturated.
Sprayed the soil as well.
They're gone. Fruit about to be picked.
Yeah there are some funky leaves, so what?
Didn't even have to spray my 7 foot outdoor Rainbow plant which was in the same yard and is also a few weeks from harvest.
It can be done.
No reason to quit.
Google?
LMFAO.
Been growing outdoors for years.
It's called experience.
 

Dr. Who

Well-Known Member
Our friend JimiPK isnt running a major greenhouse operation.
He's in a third world country trying to salvage what he can for his head.
Why would you shoot down his attempt to do so? He's so close he can taste it.
I have whiteflies in my trellised apple tree.
Sprayed them down every day with a hand held until the leaves were saturated.
Sprayed the soil as well.
They're gone. Fruit about to be picked.
Yeah there are some funky leaves, so what?
Didn't even have to spray my 7 foot outdoor Rainbow plant which was in the same yard and is also a few weeks from harvest.
It can be done.
No reason to quit.
Google?
LMFAO.
Been growing outdoors for years.
It's called experience.

He's growing cannabis, not fruit tree's.

That infestation has severely limited the quality and yield of that plant.

Considering the over 1000 types of white flies. You got some easy ones. They do exist.

Sadly, in the US. The bulk of those will be harder to get taken care of on cannabis.

I have friend in Viet Nam who had trouble with white flies there. He lives on the edge of the jungle (or near it by perspective).

I suggested to him to paint large boards yellow and coat with a sticky substance. Place those around your garden and they'll go to that yellow more.
He employed that and several other attacks also. He has control but, not elimination.
Regular work in treating the plants has his plants looking good.

Your right. He can treat to control and still get something back for personal use. My bad on that. I answered from my US perspective.

As far as elimination, outdoors, in a 3rd world country......Forget it.

Been growing for decades, on several levels.
It's called experience too.
 

jimipk

Member
sorry my mail stopped warning me i had people answering. this is great, so many helpful people, that`s what it`s all about. if i knew how to LIKE your comments i would, but i don`t see that option.
on another topic, if i might be so bold as to keep taking advantage of your generosity, i just got my magnifying lenses in the mail and i`ve run into yet another question...
i`ve done a little research into my bumbling around and forgetting to take dates and such, and i`m pretty sure my one momma is at like 10 weeks. i see milky, i see ambar, not a lot ,but probably 30 percent on some places, but this SOME PLACES issue is what i mean. on the same bud i can see some leaves/calyxes with that 70:30 milky ambar ratio i think, but then right next to it on another leaf/calyx i see all milky. so i`m wondering if i should still wait. i`m imagining there is still some new growth happening and those are still less mature leaves/calyxes. i saw to observe the top buds, like those are the first that will be ready to harvest, and then you can cut them off without going crazy and killing the plant but opening up some space for light for the lower ones. so my question is, will i maybe see one leaf (lets say) with more ambar, some with less, some with none, but as long as i`m seeing in general mostly milky with about 30% ambar in total on one bud, time to harvest (given i want that type of high)?
thanks once again, in advance. happy gardening. i`m having a blast although my wife is afraid i`ll go to jail and be someone`s bitch.
 

jimipk

Member
Our friend JimiPK isnt running a major greenhouse operation.
He's in a third world country trying to salvage what he can for his head.
Why would you shoot down his attempt to do so? He's so close he can taste it.
I have whiteflies in my trellised apple tree.
Sprayed them down every day with a hand held until the leaves were saturated.
Sprayed the soil as well.
They're gone. Fruit about to be picked.
Yeah there are some funky leaves, so what?
Didn't even have to spray my 7 foot outdoor Rainbow plant which was in the same yard and is also a few weeks from harvest.
It can be done.
No reason to quit.
Google?
LMFAO.
Been growing outdoors for years.
It's called experience.
i`ll have to check real well the previous responses, my mail stopped warning me. but if some troll is attacking, ignore him/her. they`re everywhere, like whiteflies, blackflies, yellowflies. fuck trolls and the horses they ride in on. well the horses no, just the trolls.
 

SchmoeJoe

Well-Known Member
i`ll have to check real well the previous responses, my mail stopped warning me. but if some troll is attacking, ignore him/her. they`re everywhere, like whiteflies, blackflies, yellowflies. fuck trolls and the horses they ride in on. well the horses no, just the trolls.
You can leave lower buds to develope. The only consideration is whether there's time or not. In your case you have to consider the weather and your bugs.

When looking at trichomes on outdoor plants you have to keep in mind that there are a lot of things that can cause trichomes to start to break down long before they're ripe.
 

jimipk

Member
I had a whitefly problem, but not to the point where they were doing any damage to the plants. They feed on decaying matter (root tips).
I added HydroGuard to my water which helps "eat" decaying matter. Since the flies are attracted to my led light, I hung two of those
sticky strips you pull out of a tube and hang. I hung two of them next to my led light panel. Within one day it was standing room only on those sticky strips! Also, if you have a drip pan, clean it of stains and debris often. They seem to congregate near the bottom of the outside of the pot where the vent holes are. Lastly, let your soil potted plant dry out thoroughly. Stick your moisture meter way down towards the bottom and you'll see it's still wet down there. Let it get drier. Your soil towards the top may dry out, but your plants won't mind. It took me only two days to eradicate all of them.
thanks so much for the advice. seems i panicked. i think this patient is at just about 10 weeks into flowering, got my magnifying glass in the mail and i think i`m doing ok. i had never heard what you say about checking the bottom of outside of the pot. right on. i`ll have to get a moisture meter too. it`s really hot where we live so in 2 days the plants look dry and sad, that`s the only moisture meter i`m using, but i noticed (cuz i started with seeds, though i now have some clones, all female to avoid that nuisance of looking for males) that my uprooted males (and my first grow, one female) all had small root balls, sign of not letting the roots look for water deeper down. so maybe either get a moisture meter or let them look even more sad before watering.
once again, thanks for the advice. much appreciated.
 

jimipk

Member
You can leave lower buds to develope. The only consideration is whether there's time or not. In your case you have to consider the weather and your bugs.

When looking at trichomes on outdoor plants you have to keep in mind that there are a lot of things that can cause trichomes to start to break down long before they're ripe.
aahhh, now that`s something i have never read, about early breakdown. i`ll look into it, thanks.
 

SchmoeJoe

Well-Known Member
aahhh, now that`s something i have never read, about early breakdown. i`ll look into it, thanks.
Wind, rain, friction from getting rubbed against its own leaves, people or animals brushing against it. All kinds of thing can make them turn Amber early.
 

jimipk

Member
Wind, rain, friction from getting rubbed against its own leaves, people or animals brushing against it. All kinds of thing can make them turn Amber early.
yeah, i can see what looks like damaged leaves. so in that case would you go for the more inner areas that haven`t been so exposed to damage? i see some people recommend observing the calyxes, not leaves, i can get a good view inside and that`s where i see more solid white, no ambar. i`m pretty sure i`m beginning week 9 or 10. and it seems to be an indica. and i just read one recommendation to harvest indica actually before you see ambar if you want a more head high and less couchlock, which is my aim.
 

SchmoeJoe

Well-Known Member
yeah, i can see what looks like damaged leaves. so in that case would you go for the more inner areas that haven`t been so exposed to damage? i see some people recommend observing the calyxes, not leaves, i can get a good view inside and that`s where i see more solid white, no ambar. i`m pretty sure i`m beginning week 9 or 10. and it seems to be an indica. and i just read one recommendation to harvest indica actually before you see ambar if you want a more head high and less couchlock, which is my aim.
That's a solid recommendation forharvesting an indica of you're not looking for too much of a body high. As for going by trichomes on an outdoor plant you should always check multiple areas in the same part of the plant (tops/middle/etc) and go by an average.
 

jimipk

Member
You can leave lower buds to develope. The only consideration is whether there's time or not. In your case you have to consider the weather and your bugs.

When looking at trichomes on outdoor plants you have to keep in mind that there are a lot of things that can cause trichomes to start to break down long before they're ripe.
ok, great, and maybe avoid looking at the more outer possibly damaged leaves. if that`s the case then i have no ambar at all, if i avoid those leaves that look damaged cuz the ones with more ambar are the ones i think that have even areas on the leaf with no trichomes at all, from damage as you say, so i`ll try to judge by the more secluded areas. ok, now i`m excited and less worried. thanks again.
 

jimipk

Member
That's awesome man. Sometimes here in the US and especially Oregon we take for granted that growing is as easy as going to the store for supplies.
Keep up the good work!
well it might be more difficult for me to get my hands on the right supplies, but regardless of that, you gotta know what to do with them, which i`m learning little by little but steadily feeling more sure about what i`m doing. so my respects to you seasoned growers. you have a skill.

i read one place that until you have 3 grows under your belt, you probably still are making a lot of big mistakes. live and learn, and read read read. i might be in the third world in the middle of the countryside, but i have certain advantages that many might not, like working with scientists (which i`m not) so i get a lot of good input. i`m more fortunate than many in some respects is what i`m saying. Also around here is just farmland as far as the eye can see, so lots of people know their agriculture, but this here is great, reading up on things then having direct input from you seasoned growers, professionals (scientists yourselves in your own right) who know damn well what you`re doing. I can get advice from people here, but nobody knows i`m smoking these tomatoes they`re helping me grow. i feel guilty getting free advice cuz here I return the favor for many of my advisors many times with translation work, but if i get up to the place where i can provide some help to beginners, i`ll spread the love, people. happy gardening! i just thoroughly cleaned my space, by the way. i`m on the warpath and i think the enemy is retreating. i got all the plants(with soap and water on tuesday then neem on the weekend) and surrounding plants/garden (cypermethrin, and extremely careful that it didn`t touch the ganja), but i had forgotten to clean up some areas with dead leaves and branches and stuff, so i got rid of all that and finished the job. Ah, and I have tomatoes nearby with mealybugs I just discovered, so I zapped them and will follow up. i came home from work all ready to take it easy and view trichomes. then like divine inspiration my stupidity slapped me in the face and i realized what i had forgotten, and to work once again. Fun fun fun, but time consuming and some not-so-easy work involved. Cheers friends!
 

jimipk

Member
on another note, i just got this led lighted 60x lens and i`m looking at a bud of mine about 4 months into curing. i just took a quick look cuz the thing hurts my eyes, but i swear i saw trichomes still transparent. what are you supposed to be seeing close up after harvest+drying n curing? i`m afraid to look too close in fear of seeing dust and dead bugs, ha ha.
 

SchmoeJoe

Well-Known Member
on another note, i just got this led lighted 60x lens and i`m looking at a bud of mine about 4 months into curing. i just took a quick look cuz the thing hurts my eyes, but i swear i saw trichomes still transparent. what are you supposed to be seeing close up after harvest+drying n curing? i`m afraid to look too close in fear of seeing dust and dead bugs, ha ha.
No matter how well it's stored it will still degrade over time. The fact that it's still got plenty of clear trichomes just goes to show that you're storing and curing method is on point.
 
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