help with diy basic closed loop

hey all trying to figure out how to construct a basic no frills closed loop system ? i can buy the best value vacs apollo for about 1k. would think i could build one off glacier tanks much cheaper ?

would like either a half pound or pound sanitary spool.

also can i start with canned butane then recover using empty propane tank ?

i have a few pounds and will only have a few pounds to run a few times a year so i dont want to make a huge investment but still want quality safe product.

thanks

Zbud94 said:

hey all trying to figure out how to construct a basic no frills closed loop system ? i can buy the best value vacs apollo for about 1k. would think i could build one off glacier tanks much cheaper ?

would like either a half pound or pound sanitary spool.

also can i start with canned butane then recover using empty propane tank ?

i have a few pounds and will only have a few pounds to run a few times a year so i dont want to make a huge investment but still want quality safe product.

thanks

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One thing I can tell ya is "no" on the canned butane thing...canned butane is for refilling lighters. Depending on brand they are a combination of N-butane, iso-butane, and propane ect. In different ratios according to manufacturer. You want just N-butane. Good luck on your system construction. Would love to hear about the final outcome.

Kid Kannabi5 said:

One thing I can tell ya is "no" on the canned butane thing...canned butane is for refilling lighters. Depending on brand they are a combination of N-butane, iso-butane, and propane ect. In different ratios according to manufacturer. You want just N-butane. Good luck on your system construction. Would love to hear about the final outcome.

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Would love to no where you got your info from.... They have canned butane for lighters that yes has propane and mystery oil... Then also Have 99.9999 % n-Butane in a can. So again would love to know where you got your Info. Maybe I'm wrong....

Kid Kannabi5 said:

One thing I can tell ya is "no" on the canned butane thing...canned butane is for refilling lighters. Depending on brand they are a combination of N-butane, iso-butane, and propane ect. In different ratios according to manufacturer. You want just N-butane. Good luck on your system construction. Would love to hear about the final outcome.

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Also if you say no to the canned butane why are all the starter kits used with canned butane?

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Zbud94 said:

Would love to no where you got your info from.... They have canned butane for lighters that yes has propane and mystery oil... Then also Have 99.9999 % n-Butane in a can. So again would love to know where you got yoIur Info. Maybe I'm wrong....

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High Times article. Thought was common knowledge by now. I know of ONE type of one particular brand of canned butane that is 100% N-butane, but canned butane is not what you want for your closed loop system. It makes no difference to me if you ignore my advice. Thats all it is, advice. Go ahead and fill your system with canned butane. Good luck

Zbud94 said:

Also if you say no to the canned butane why are all the starter kits used with canned butane?

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Souds like you already made up your mind. So why ask?

Zbud94 said:

hey all trying to figure out how to construct a basic no frills closed loop system ? i can buy the best value vacs apollo for about 1k. would think i could build one off glacier tanks much cheaper ?

would like either a half pound or pound sanitary spool.

also can i start with canned butane then recover using empty propane tank ?

i have a few pounds and will only have a few pounds to run a few times a year so i dont want to make a huge investment but still want quality safe product.

thanks

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Here is how I built the original Lil Terp modifying standard off the shelf parts. https://skunkpharmresearch.com/passive-butane-extractor-and-reclaimer/
Today those parts are available off the shelf.

You could use a empty propane tank, and just invert it for flooding, but if it was used it will contain mercaptans, which were added to odorize the propane.

A refrigerant recovery tank would work better, as it has a Y valve allowing you to flood liquid from one port and recover vapor from the other.

Canned lighter butane quality depends heavily on the brand. Here is Skyhighlers comparison list: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.ph...6&postcount=28

Regardless of brand, I recommend predistilling it to remove the mystery oil, before extracting with it. We even predistill our 99.95% instrument grade.

Fadedawg said:

Here is how I built the original Lil Terp modifying standard off the shelf parts. https://skunkpharmresearch.com/passive-butane-extractor-and-reclaimer/
Today those parts are available off the shelf.

You could use a empty propane tank, and just invert it for flooding, but if it was used it will contain mercaptans, which were added to odorize the propane.

A refrigerant recovery tank would work better, as it has a Y valve allowing you to flood liquid from one port and recover vapor from the other.

Canned lighter butane quality depends heavily on the brand. Here is Skyhighlers comparison list: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.ph...6&postcount=28

Regardless of brand, I recommend predistilling it to remove the mystery oil, before extracting with it. We even predistill our 99.95% instrument grade.

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Is there really any noticeable difference in quality of extraction using 99.5% butane vs further distilled 99.9% butane?

Kid Kannabi5 said:

Is there really any noticeable difference in quality of extraction using 99.5% butane vs further distilled 99.9% butane?

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They don't really have a tank of 99.5% and 99.9% and when we tested the 99.5% for hydrocarbons longer than C-4 (mystery oil), it actually tested 99.9% pure. The extra money you pay is for testing and certs.

After redistilling the 99.9%, it tested 99.98% pure relative to chains longer than C-4.

When redistilling, the mystery oil deposits in the still were light films on the sides and bottom, as opposed to drops and pools such as was present when redistilling lighter butane.

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They don't really have a tank of 99.5% and 99.9% and when we tested the 99.5% for hydrocarbons longer than C-4 (mystery oil), it actually tested 99.9% pure. The extra money you pay is for testing and certs.

After redistilling the 99.9%, it tested 99.98% pure relative to chains longer than C-4.

When redistilling, the mystery oil deposits in the still were light films on the sides and bottom, as opposed to drops and pools such as was present when redistilling lighter butane.

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Like I said is there really any noticeable difference in the end product? With the N-butane everyone buys at 99.5% I'm asking if it is really worth the time/effort to further distill to 99.9%? You just confirmed that post distillation percentage so my question is a valid one. You just misunderstood what I was trying to say.

Kid Kannabi5 said:

Like I said is there really any noticeable difference in the end product? With the N-butane everyone buys at 99.5% I'm asking if it is really worth the time/effort to further distill to 99.9%? You just confirmed that post distillation percentage so my question is a valid one. You just misunderstood what I was trying to say.

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Looks like misunderstanding all around. The 99.5% that we tested, was already 99.9%.

Can I tell the difference in taste between 99.9% and 99.98%? No, but I can taste the difference between some lighter LPG and 99.9%.

If i run the canned lpg through my empyTami twice to distill it, how clean do you feel it would be? I mean compared to the 99.5%.. Along with purging the other gases at the proper temps..

mytwhyt said:

If i run the canned lpg through my empyTami twice to distill it, how clean do you feel it would be? I mean compared to the 99.5%.. Along with purging the other gases at the proper temps..

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At issue using a passive extractors like the Tamiseum, is Pentane, with its 57F Flash Point, and 97F boiling point. With your hot side below 57F, your cold side needs to be proportionally colder to work well. Are you using dry ice?

I assumed canned lpg was butane lighter refills.. by purge i meant low temp venting of propane and isobutane as a gas.. I'll pass on Pentane..

mytwhyt said:

I assumed canned lpg was butane lighter refills.. by purge i meant low temp venting of propane and isobutane as a gas.. I'll pass on Pentane..

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Pentane is one of the mystery oils in lighter butane of which we are speaking.

If it's a component of the mystery oil, why isn't all of it left behind during the two empty distalization cycles? Seemed to be nothing in the extraction tank the second time around... I'm not here to fight any GW/Tami battles, just asking a question about the cleaning of canned lighter butane..

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If it's a component of the mystery oil, why isn't all of it left behind during the two empty distalization cycles? Seemed to be nothing in the extraction tank the second time around... I'm not here to fight any GW/Tami battles, just asking a question about the cleaning of canned lighter butane..

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Time to leave your preconceptions about GW/Tami behind and for those with ears to hear. I'm not here to fight a battle with Tami, as my Lil Terp and other passive recovery systems operate the same way.

When we paid to have an outside forensic lab analyze mystery oil, they found it a mixture of hydrocarbons from about C-5 through C-18, plus other constituents.

The Pentane won't be retained in the still if you distill above its 97F boiling point and some will escape above its 57F flash point.

If you distill below Pentane's boiling point, your recovery tank needs to be proportionally colder to provide the required temperature differential. That is why I asked if you were losing dry ice.

If you already know the answers, and distrust my input, may I suggest that you contact Tamiseum and ask Dean the same question?

since your email is greywolfslari1@gmail.com, It's not beyond belief to suspect that your replies might be somewhat influenced.. ICmag has, or had, many examples of the pissing contest between the two.. Most all threads that mentioned Tami have been deleted.. That's not much of a surprise since Terp is now a sponsor and advertiser there.
I put everything in the freezer and vent whatever gas there is to be vented before extracting.. I'm way below 97*f and 57*f... I'm not trying to recover the pentane with the butane..
I have a # for David, but not Dean.. I'm asking you since you're the expert on the same type cloned extractor.. I don't give a fuck whos got a patent on what..

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since your email is greywolfslari1@gmail.com, It's not beyond belief to suspect that your replies might be somewhat influenced.. ICmag has, or had, many examples of the pissing contest between the two.. Most all threads that mentioned Tami have been deleted.. That's not much of a surprise since Terp is now a sponsor and advertiser there.
I put everything in the freezer and vent whatever gas there is to be vented before extracting.. I'm way below 97*f and 57*f... I'm not trying to recover the pentane with the butane..
I have a # for David, but not Dean.. I'm asking you since you're the expert on the same type cloned extractor.. I don't give a fuck whos got a patent on what..

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Had you read the pissing contests, you would be aware that it was because he was offended by me supplying my Lil Terp design to the public for free, and costing him business, not regarding process.

As you are clearly suspicious of and have rejected my input, may I again suggest that you contact Tami and ask them instead?

Freezing and venting has nothing to do with pre-distillation. Are we even on the same page?

What are the steps and controls in your pre-distillation process to remove mystery oil?

PS: I'm Graywolf, not Greywolf.