Muffy
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I hit from the back tee. Feminized seeds are hermie seeds made from hermie stock. Yes, fem lines can be more stable than regularly bred male/female varieties.
Hermie havoc!!
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Big Trees
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Exactly the plant that makes the fem seeds is both father and mother. Tell me how that doesn't make it more hermie prone. I was sayin blueberry cause it herms with very little stress. Just saying if the plant is made from a hermie, then how does the offspring not have it in the genetic tree. Plus imho fem seeds aren't natural and wouldn't use them just on that. Well hermaphroditism can happen naturally but it is commonly induced by error, stress, or is done chemically. Don't have to worry about that with regular seeds
Trousers
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Not necessarily. I do not think you understand how they are made enough to talk shit about them.
Even if you self pollinate a turned female plant, the seeds will be just as likely to "hermie" as the plant that made the seeds.
You are probably confusing a monoecious hermaphrodite with a female plant (XX) that has been stressed to induce male flowers. Inbreeding does not work the same way with plants and animals.
No it doesn't. It is one of the easier varieties to grow.
Because it is not an actual hermaphrodite that shows male and female flowers from the beginning of flowering. If you stress a female plant into showing male flowers, that does not change the dna.
If it stresses very easily into showing male flowers, that trait will be passed along. That does not mean it will "herm" every time, just under that particular set of stressors.
Feminized seeds have been naturally happening since the dawn of time. They are a survival mechanism. If female plants get stressed, they chuck pollen in the hopes of it catching on somewhere. It is another incredible part of my favorite plant. Feminized seeds are not only natural, they may be one of the reasons that cannabis as we know it exists today. Otherwise it may have been wiped as a plant early on. (shudders at the thought)
You have to worry about the exact same thing with properly made feminized seeds as you do with properly made regular seeds.
With regular seeds you have to worry about caring for and feeding an unwanted male plant.
Trousers
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You must be a riot at parties.
Feminized seeds are not made from "hermie stock." I do not think you understand what you are trying to give advice about.
Muffy
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I asked Merriam-Webster and there is no room for your distinction in the definition of hermaphrodite. "her·maph·ro·dite noun \(ˌ
hər-ˈma-frə-ˌdīt\ Definition of HERMAPHRODITE 1 : an animal or plant having both male and female reproductive organs" You are therefore making it out to be more complicated than it really is.
hər-ˈma-frə-ˌdīt\ Definition of HERMAPHRODITE 1 : an animal or plant having both male and female reproductive organs" You are therefore making it out to be more complicated than it really is.
Trousers
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I asked Merriam-Webster and there is no room for your distinction in the definition of hermaphrodite. "her·maph·ro·dite noun \(ˌ
That is a very broad definition and further shows your limited understanding about something you want to give advice about. Stop it.
A dioecious female that has two X chromosomes can be stressed to make it show male flowers. It isn't a real hermaphrodite. It would not show male flowers without stress.
A monecious cannabis plant that shows both male and female flowers without stress is a real hermaphrodite.
Every female cannabis plant has the ability to produce male flowers. that does not make them hermaphrodites.
Muffy
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Easy for you to say. Here's what Neville Schoenmaker says, "I've used Gibberelic acid on NL5 to try to get it to produce male flowers. It did, about 5 flowers in a whole room full. The Anthers did NOT contain pollen. NL5 was a true female. A true female will not produce pollen. The ability to produce pollen is a hermaphroditic trait, which may be suppressed, but must be present to produce pollen." So even if your broad exaggeration of "every female cannabis plant has the ability to produce male flowers" is true (which I doubt and you couldn't possibly prove) there is already at least one more respected individual stating it is impossible for a female to act as a pollen donor.
OldGrowth420
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i think hermies are cool, pull the seeds off and start a new generation
Trousers
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Neville is wrong. He should learn about colloidal silver and rodelization.
I haven't heard of a weed plant that can not be turned. All of the most stable varieties that exist can be found in feminized form. So according to Neville all of the most stable varieties in existence are hermaphrodites?
That makes absolutely no sense.
His first mistake was using Gibeberelic acid. Colloidal silver works much better.
I have forced "true females" to show male flowers that produced viable pollen many times using colloidal silver. It is easy.
It is a built in survival mechanism.
Punk
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You really should just, you know, be quiet. You're treating this thread like a jovial event for your own amusement.
Feminizing seeds, is a process. Hermaphrodism is a RESULT. A result of stress, genetic predisposition, environmental factors, etc.
There's a 'shotgun' way to feminize seeds, and there's a proper way to do it.
Muffy
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It was only one small quote. Let's not pretend to know what Neville knows. From Merriam-Webster, "pre·ten·tious adjective \pri-ˈten(t)-shəs\ Definition of PRETENTIOUS 1 : characterized by pretension: as a : making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing) b : expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature 2 : making demands on one's skill, ability, or means" If it's worth doing I'm sure he's done it. If what you say makes no sense it's because of your incorrect conclusions.
Yes, the process of feminizing seeds results in hermaphrodites.
Trousers
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Would you like me to define moron for you?
You do not know what you are talking about. You are trying to give advice about something that you know nothing about.
What kind of an asshole would do that?
How many feminized seeds have you grown?
How many feminized seeds have your made yourself and grown?
How many feminized crosses have you produced?
You don't have to believe me, but I have made thousands of feminized seeds myself.
Hundreds have been grown by me and my friends.
100% were female.
0% were hermaphrodites.
Every single female (XX) cannabis plant I have tried to make male with colloidal silver has turned male.
It is a simple concept. I am sorry it is too complex for you to understand. You are about 8 years behind on the knowledge curve.
what you seem to fail to understand is that stress does not change the dna. So if you stress a female plant into showing male flowers, that does not make it into a genetic hermaphrodite. Chromosomes do not appear out of thin air. It just not make sense.
I'll tell you a little story.
Once upon a time some breeders started selling feminized seeds.
A bunch of shitty growers order feminized seeds.
Shitty growers try to grow the fem seeds.
since they are shitty growers they stress their plants.
The plants, as is their nature under stress, show male flowers, or "hermie."
The shitty growers, being shitty growers, want to blame anyone but themselves.
Shitty growers blame the seeds not themselves.
Good growers had great results will well made feminized seeds.
Did you grow some feminized seeds and screw them up until they "hermied"?
I am sorry you are having a hard time dealing with being wrong.
You do not know what you are talking about. You are trying to give advice about something that you know nothing about.
What kind of an asshole would do that?
How many feminized seeds have you grown?
How many feminized seeds have your made yourself and grown?
How many feminized crosses have you produced?
You don't have to believe me, but I have made thousands of feminized seeds myself.
Hundreds have been grown by me and my friends.
100% were female.
0% were hermaphrodites.
Every single female (XX) cannabis plant I have tried to make male with colloidal silver has turned male.
It is a simple concept. I am sorry it is too complex for you to understand. You are about 8 years behind on the knowledge curve.
what you seem to fail to understand is that stress does not change the dna. So if you stress a female plant into showing male flowers, that does not make it into a genetic hermaphrodite. Chromosomes do not appear out of thin air. It just not make sense.
I'll tell you a little story.
Once upon a time some breeders started selling feminized seeds.
A bunch of shitty growers order feminized seeds.
Shitty growers try to grow the fem seeds.
since they are shitty growers they stress their plants.
The plants, as is their nature under stress, show male flowers, or "hermie."
The shitty growers, being shitty growers, want to blame anyone but themselves.
Shitty growers blame the seeds not themselves.
Good growers had great results will well made feminized seeds.
Did you grow some feminized seeds and screw them up until they "hermied"?
I am sorry you are having a hard time dealing with being wrong.
Muffy
Active Member
It makes sense that it was always hermie.
Punk
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Self pollination(hermaphrodism) is a recessive trait that many plants possess, and certainly cannabis is on of those. In my area, the wild hemp has no gender what so ever. They all start off female, and sprout their male flowers.
Trousers is talking about taking an otherwise healthy, ideal female and exposing her to an intense stress, colloidal silver (aka. silver nitrate) to promote hermaphrodism to harvest pollen and apply to a different, also healthy, female and create feminized seeds. In doing that, you're avoiding hermaphrodistic tendencies.
Trousers is talking about taking an otherwise healthy, ideal female and exposing her to an intense stress, colloidal silver (aka. silver nitrate) to promote hermaphrodism to harvest pollen and apply to a different, also healthy, female and create feminized seeds. In doing that, you're avoiding hermaphrodistic tendencies.
Muffy
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That's fine Punk. I wonder if the chromosomes from the original pollen donor of a feminized hybrid ever make it through to the next generation when that feminized hybrid is bred to a different and unrelated pollen donor. In other words, does the organism always identify that set of genes as "masculine"? It's interesting to think about.
Trousers
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wrong again
If it were always a "hermie" half the seeds would be Hermaphrodites, the rest would be male and female.
Properly made feminized seeds produce 100% female plants.