so tell me, how does one breed for seeds without a hermie or a male?
I don't mean to be an ass, but to seriously discuss breeding, genetics, selection, hermaphroditism, etc, we have to be sure we are talking about the same things, and that means using the terms consistently.
Just to clarify here, making se-eds isn't the same thing as breeding. Lots of people use these terms interchangeably, but they are not the same thing, and the distinction is important.
The goal of breeding isn't merely to create se-eds, its to create genetic LINES that express a specific set of traits that you're interested in. Breeding requires SELECTION of genetic traits from offspring to isolate and combine them. Of course making se-eds is part of the way to reach that goal, but its not the end in and of itself. If you're not doing selection, you're really not doing breeding.
To answer your question, the way to create se-eds is to apply pollen onto the pistils of a receptive female plant. The pollen could come from a male plant, or it could come from male flowers found on a female plant (ie "hermie" flowers). Its even possible to pollinate a female plant with pollen that comes from ITSELF. The pollen could be applied by careful individual hand-pollenization, for example using a Q-tip or small paintbrush, OR it could be transmitted through the air in a process called "open pollenization".
How you get the pollen and how you apply it depends on what exactly you're trying to do, but no pollen. . .no se-eds.
how do you know if that hermie is stable? theres a way, and its close to what im saying
What do you mean by "stable"?
If you're talking about what is usually termed genetic "stability" (which is a way of describing how "true breeding" a line is), that's going to depend on the genetics of the plant in question.
If you're talking about whether or not the plant in question is prone to making female flowers, that's a trait that you can observe. If you've got a female plant covered in male flowers, its probably not genetically desirable from a "hermie" perspective, and you probably don't want to make ceeds with it. On the other hand, if you deliberately created a few male flowers by applying colloidal silver to an otherwise perfectly good female plant, then the pollen they create should be fine for making se-eds.