thepenofareadywriter
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if there was such a thing has free will... would not free will imply the ability to go back and change your past sin ?
HEY christian If there was a free will... would not free will imply...
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Nevaeh420
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Free will doesnt imply time traveling into the past. Free will implies that you can do what you want in the present.
~PEACE~
tyler.durden
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Holy shit, this is the most coherent answer I've ever seen from you, George. Spot on, keep it up...
thepenofareadywriter
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ok ! lets look at it in a different LIGHT...biblically speaking your [will] would be your desire...once again biblically speaking what so ever you will [desire] shall be given to you...now example...this man aka Jesus [willed] or desired to walk on water and he did it!...he had the [will] to heal people...once again he did it ! and again he [willed] that lazarus wake up from the dead, he awoke...so biblically speaking [free will] does not
imply that you can do what you want in the present... true free will is to be a free man...another example...if you had [free will] would you not desire that people would see you as a prophet...so true free will would be to be a free man to have what soever he desired wether past, present or future...before Abraham was I am ?
Nevaeh420
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The miracles you describe are logical fallacies.
Only the Christian believe in the alleged miracles from the Bible.
I remember you as 420IAMthatIAM.
A miracle has never been scientifically proven.
~PEACE~
thepenofareadywriter
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yes..I am him...so would not your desire or will be that people would see you as a prophet??? and that which prophets foretell or predict are those not miracles???
Nevaeh420
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Yeah, I remember you 420IAMthatIAM. And I remember that I like you too.
Your life is a miracle, I remember reading your story a long time ago. You said you used to be homeless like I was homeless.
Dont you believe youre God or Jesus or something?
I only want people to see the Truth. If Im a Prophet then Im a Prophet, if Im Christ then Im Christ. I dont want to delude Myself into believing things that arent true. I just want to believe the Truth, too, Myself. Whatever is the Truth, I want to believe it.
I dont care how people percieve Me, as long as I have the correct perception of Myself, thats what matters. But I would like everyone to like Me, but they are entitled to their beliefs.
Its a miracle that we are all alive, in MY opinion. Its a miracle that God created the universe. But I dont believe people can perform miracles, only God can perform miracles; but when was the last time God performed a miracle?
I dont think prophecy or predicting the future is a miracle, its more of an educated guess. But if all of My prophecies come to pass, that would take a miracle from God, not a miracle from Me.
~PEACE~
Beefbisquit
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This doesn't follow. Jesus could have easily decided himself, (free will) to do the apparent miracles. Although, free will and 'god's plan' are incompatible. Also, prayer and god's will are incompatible.
If god has a plan for you, no one has free will because god already knows what we're going to do, making it pre-destined. Predestination is not free will.
Prayer is asking god to change his plan, and if god's plan is perfect why would he change it? He would either be changing his mind (not perfect) or keeping his original decision (in which case prayer does nothing).
Considering that 'willing something into existence' is demonstrably false, I think we can definitively say there is some magic, or shenanigans happening in the bible. Since what we're discussing doesn't align with how reality works, it's kind of like arguing about which superhero would win in a fight. No one really knows, because it's fiction.
Nevaeh420
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Im always right on the money: didnt you know?
Seriously, I speak layman English, I should be coherent all the time. My vernacular is that of a layman, not too much technical jargon from Me.
Everything I type, its unequivocally and unambigiously spoken.
~PEACE~
Beefbisquit
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The words you use are coherent, it's the content that's nonsensical.
Nevaeh420
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Well, I agree with that.
Its just Who I am that makes Me different or "nonsensical".
Im sure there is one person out there that can appreciate My "nonsensical" ideology. I enjoy blogging or undoubtedly I wouldnt say/type anything; its My pleasure.
If I put all of My ideologies into a book, I would be rich.
EDIT- Just imagine that youre reading what Christ Himself has thought of. Its a miracle. Thank God for the internet.
~PEACE~
Skuxx
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You're even more narcissistic than Christ himself. Christ was better though, because he was better at making himself appear like he wasn't completely into himself.
Nevaeh420
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What can I say about that? Its your opinion and youre entitled to your opinion.
Its My opinion that I am lowly, humble, meek, mild, and gentle; but Im not cavalier, hubris, cocky, or arrogant.
Its My opinion verses yours. But to be honest, I would rather come off as cavalier compared to lowly on the internet. But in real life Im just an ordinary Person with a Christ complex that I dont talk to people in person. Im a nice guy.
But you can only see what Ive typed thus far. BUT you can also watch My videos that I made. Have you seen My videos? because thats how I talk in real life. I can show you My videos if you check out My signature; just click on My name "Nevaeh420" and find My signature there.
EDIT- Or you can click on the link below.
https://www.rollitup.org/spirituality-sexuality-philosophy/671505-what-would-make-future-christ-19.html
EDIT- Or you can copy and paste it because its not a hyperlink.
~PEACE~
thepenofareadywriter
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so predestination, or the plan is already in effect and always has been...so those that do pray do so not because they desire to but because they are doing what they were prewired to do just as we are all on rollitup...maybe the trick would be to know the plan, but then you would have to be prewired for that also.
Beefbisquit
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If we're predestined, we have no free will.
If we have no free will, god knows we're going to do bad things and get sent to hell for doing them, but he doesn't prevent it from happening. That makes god malevolent or unable to prevent something from happening, which makes him, by default, not omnipotent.
God is willfully punishing people for eternity because he predestined them to do things that send them to hell. How fucked up is that? Really fucked up, that's how fucked up it is.
eye exaggerate
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We're predestined to live and eventually pass on. The choices we make with free will carve paths in the interim.
Sounds plausible
Sunbiz1
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If God is omniscient, why did He place the tree of knowledge in the garden knowing full well man would partake?.
And if the answer is, God didn't wish to create robots...well He didn't have to.
Seems like the entire New Testament could have been avoided by proper planning.
And if the answer is, God didn't wish to create robots...well He didn't have to.
Seems like the entire New Testament could have been avoided by proper planning.
Beefbisquit
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If we have free will to make decisions in our life, then god either chose to make us faulty and then blames us for his own mistakes, or doens't know what we'll decide to do; so he's not omniscient.We're predestined to live and eventually pass on. The choices we make with free will carve paths in the interim.
Sounds plausible
eye exaggerate
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Then I suppose that faith is a reciprocal thing
Nevaeh420
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God undoubtedly gave us free will, if we were predestined by God then no one would make "mistakes". Unless it was Gods divine plan to make our "mistakes" in the first place.
I believe there could be a happy medium between predestination and free will. God could give us lots of free will and also have a plan for our lives. We might be able to over-ride our predestionation with our free will or it might be the opposite too;- where you have a limited free will but youre eventually going to conform to Gods predestioned plan for your life.
If God has any godly powers, He has godly powers; whatever that means. We dont know what God can do because we dont know God and God has never been studied. God is in a class all by Himself.
With that being said, I believe I have a lot of free will, but I also belive God had a plan for My life- whatever that is. If you have read My signature, Im sure you could agree with Me on that.
Regardless, if God doesnt exist, there is no hell. If God does exist, there is no hell. Hell is a scare tactic thats imposed by the religious that think their religion is the only way to salvation or heaven.
Until God is proven, Ill remain an Agnostic.
~PEACE~
I believe there could be a happy medium between predestination and free will. God could give us lots of free will and also have a plan for our lives. We might be able to over-ride our predestionation with our free will or it might be the opposite too;- where you have a limited free will but youre eventually going to conform to Gods predestioned plan for your life.
If God has any godly powers, He has godly powers; whatever that means. We dont know what God can do because we dont know God and God has never been studied. God is in a class all by Himself.
With that being said, I believe I have a lot of free will, but I also belive God had a plan for My life- whatever that is. If you have read My signature, Im sure you could agree with Me on that.
Regardless, if God doesnt exist, there is no hell. If God does exist, there is no hell. Hell is a scare tactic thats imposed by the religious that think their religion is the only way to salvation or heaven.
Until God is proven, Ill remain an Agnostic.
~PEACE~