thepenofareadywriter
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if there was such a thing has free will... would not free will imply the ability to go back and change your past sin ?
if there was such a thing has free will... would not free will imply the ability to go back and change your past sin ?
Free will doesnt imply time traveling into the past. Free will implies that you can do what you want in the present.
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ok ! lets look at it in a different LIGHT...biblically speaking your [will] would be your desire...once again biblically speaking what so ever you will [desire] shall be given to you...now example...this man aka Jesus [willed] or desired to walk on water and he did it!...he had the [will] to heal people...once again he did it ! and again he [willed] that lazarus wake up from the dead, he awoke...so biblically speaking [free will] does notFree will doesnt imply time traveling into the past. Free will implies that you can do what you want in the present.
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ok ! lets look at it in a different LIGHT...biblically speaking your [will] would be your desire...once again biblically speaking what so ever you will [desire] shall be given to you...now example...this man aka Jesus [willed] or desired to walk on water and he did it!...he had the [will] to heal people...once again he did it ! and again he [willed] that lazarus wake up from the dead, he awoke...so biblically speaking [free will] does not
imply that you can do what you want in the present... true free will is to be a free man...another example...if you had [free will] would you not desire that people would see you as a prophet...so true free will would be to be a free man to have what soever he desired wether past, present or future...before Abraham was I am ?
yes..I am him...so would not your desire or will be that people would see you as a prophet??? and that which prophets foretell or predict are those not miracles???The miracles you describe are logical fallacies.
Only the Christian believe in the alleged miracles from the Bible.
I remember you as 420IAMthatIAM.
A miracle has never been scientifically proven.
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yes..I am him...
so would not your desire or will be that people would see you as a prophet???
and that which prophets foretell or predict are those not miracles???
ok ! lets look at it in a different LIGHT...biblically speaking your [will] would be your desire...once again biblically speaking what so ever you will [desire] shall be given to you...now example...this man aka Jesus [willed] or desired to walk on water and he did it!...he had the [will] to heal people...once again he did it ! and again he [willed] that lazarus wake up from the dead, he awoke...so biblically speaking [free will] does not
imply that you can do what you want in the present... true free will is to be a free man
...another example...if you had [free will] would you not desire that people would see you as a prophet...so true free will would be to be a free man to have what soever he desired wether past, present or future...before Abraham was I am ?
Holy shit, this is the most coherent answer I've ever seen from you, George. Spot on, keep it up...
Im always right on the money: didnt you know?
Seriously, I speak layman English, I should be coherent all the time. My vernacular is that of a layman, not too much technical jargon from Me.
Everything I type, its unequivocally and unambigiously spoken.
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The words you use are coherent, it's the content that's nonsensical.
Well, I agree with that.
Its just Who I am that makes Me different or "nonsensical".
Im sure there is one person out there that can appreciate My "nonsensical" ideology. I enjoy blogging or undoubtedly I wouldnt say/type anything; its My pleasure.
If I put all of My ideologies into a book, I would be rich.
EDIT- Just imagine that youre reading what Christ Himself has thought of. Its a miracle. Thank God for the internet.
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You're even more narcissistic than Christ himself. Christ was better though, because he was better at making himself appear like he wasn't completely into himself.
so predestination, or the plan is already in effect and always has been...so those that do pray do so not because they desire to but because they are doing what they were prewired to do just as we are all on rollitup...maybe the trick would be to know the plan, but then you would have to be prewired for that also.This doesn't follow. Jesus could have easily decided himself, (free will) to do the apparent miracles. Although, free will and 'god's plan' are incompatible. Also, prayer and god's will are incompatible.
If god has a plan for you, no one has free will because god already knows what we're going to do, making it pre-destined. Predestination is not free will.
Prayer is asking god to change his plan, and if god's plan is perfect why would he change it? He would either be changing his mind (not perfect) or keeping his original decision (in which case prayer does nothing).
Considering that 'willing something into existence' is demonstrably false, I think we can definitively say there is some magic, or shenanigans happening in the bible. Since what we're discussing doesn't align with how reality works, it's kind of like arguing about which superhero would win in a fight. No one really knows, because it's fiction.
so predestination, or the plan is already in effect and always has been...so those that do pray do so not because they desire to but because they are doing what they were prewired to do just as we are all on rollitup...maybe the trick would be to know the plan, but then you would have to be prewired for that also.
If we're predestined, we have no free will.
If we have no free will, god knows we're going to do bad things and get sent to hell for doing them, but he doesn't prevent it from happening. That makes god malevolent or unable to prevent something from happening, which makes him, by default, not omnipotent.
God is willfully punishing people for eternity because he predestined them to do things that send them to hell. How fucked up is that? Really fucked up, that's how fucked up it is.
We're predestined to live and eventually pass on. The choices we make with free will carve paths in the interim.
Sounds plausible![]()
If we have free will to make decisions in our life, then god either chose to make us faulty and then blames us for his own mistakes, or doens't know what we'll decide to do; so he's not omniscient.