High power COB -vs- hps vertical shoot out

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churchhaze

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RM3 said:
I promise it will not give LED a bad name
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Don't be fooled by sativied. I don't really care about LEDs... I care about the truth in general. If you give LED's a bad name because you failed to follow instructions and picked bad/cheap components, you've helped everyone stray from the truth. If you do what we tell you and get bad results, so be it. (of course you'd a bit late to the party... At this point if you got poor results on a setup everyone else is getting great results, it would imply there's something wrong with your technique)

Bottom line is that if someone like you were to follow our instructions, you would likely increase your yield significantly over T5 so long as you don't purposefully kill your plants.
 
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That is a lot of experience as a tech and I respect technicians (I've been one myself), but at the same time, technicians don't do much in terms of design. They usually just wire things together and screw fasteners into holes. A technician is not who you'd hire to design specifications (not that there aren't technicians that could do it, but technicians generally don't do any design).

All that being said, I don't really care what your background is if you're not using (actively avoiding) the "bibled church numbers". How efficient is this lamp you're planning on using? What is the spectral distribution? What kind of current driver to you plan on using? (we all tend to use the same one for a reason btw.. it's 94% efficient with active power factor correction and the cheapest anyone can find)

Really, if you wanted to put your technicians skills to use, it would be best to copy someone else's design first.
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There are 2 things you COB guys have yet to figure out, once you do, COB lighting will easily take over, well once the price points drop. And honestly though I could design one, I have no such desire to do so. I've been playing with lights and spectrum's for years now, I doubt your bibled numbers would change my mind on things ?
 
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well I got 2 lbs with 2 400's

that's a lb from a 400

not that it's a big deal LOL
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Lol aside from all This tell me how haha I have to go low budget and have a 600w and a 400w but just wanna do one under the 400 or two and get a decent yield. I know genetics have a lot to do with it so I have one feminized seed of blue dream x big bud but I can't really just go out and buy good strains.
 
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churchhaze said:
Don't be fooled by sativied. I don't really care about LEDs... I care about the truth in general. If you give LED's a bad name because you failed to follow instructions and picked bad/cheap components, you've helped everyone stray from the truth. If you do what we tell you and get bad results, so be it. (of course you'd a bit late to the party... At this point if you got poor results on a setup everyone else is getting great results, it would imply there's something wrong with your technique)

Bottom line is that if someone like you were to follow our instructions, you would likely increase your yield significantly over T5 so long as you don't purposefully kill your plants.
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You simply keep forgetting I do not give a rats damn about yield LOL
 
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churchhaze

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There are 2 things you COB guys have yet to figure out, once you do, COB lighting will easily take over, well once the price points drop. And honestly though I could design one, I have no such desire to do so. I've been playing with lights and spectrum's for years now, I doubt your bibled numbers would change my mind on things ?
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"You cob guys"? I'm sorry but you've gotta talk to people individually before you expect them to answer. I am not "you COB guys", I'm churchhaze. You wouldn't believe it, but LED growers are individuals, not "You guys".
 
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Seriously, I just don't get it.. You've got this guy flowering with T5, yet the target is "led growers". You've got one guy making an excuse about why his yields are so low while everyone else seems to be knocking it out of the park.

Why is this guy not taking EVERYONE ELSE'S advice? HPS growers, direct your aggression toward none other than RM3. He's the one who's misleading noobs into getting crap.

I"m here telling almost everyone to get HPS yet I get shit for growing with LED and liking it.
 
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"You cob guys"? I'm sorry but you've gotta talk to people individually before you expect them to answer. I am not "you COB guys", I'm churchhaze. You wouldn't believe it, but LED growers are individuals, not "You guys".
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Did not mean it as a slur, sorry you took it that way
 
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churchhaze

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You could not be more wrong, but I'm not trying to argue
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I'm totally right, and you ARE trying to argue... very much so. No offense but "I don't grow for yield" is a terrible excuse for low yields. There is help. Not all is lost...

HPS 4 U
 
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churchhaze

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Did not mean it as a slur, sorry you took it that way
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It will always be insulting when you lump everyone into one category. I'd expect this from someone with your personality though (following nobody). It means you think everyone else is worthless and you're the golden child. (delusion)
 
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Seriously, I just don't get it.. You've got this guy flowering with T5, yet the target is "led growers". You've got one guy making an excuse about why his yields are so low while everyone else seems to be knocking it out of the park.

Why is this guy not taking EVERYONE ELSE'S advice? HPS growers, direct your aggression toward none other than RM3. He's the one who's misleading noobs into getting crap.

I"m here telling almost everyone to get HPS yet I get shit for growing with LED and liking it.
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Not makin excuses, not askin for help or advice, not forcin anyone to follow me (yet 100's do) could care less about yield, you simply don't get it. But to be fair you're not alone, I have this convo a lot lol
 
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churchhaze

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If you try growing with LED's without taking any input from the outside world, you'll have enough leeway to really screw things up. (particularly in what you buy). If you grab an HPS, the chance of that is decreased significantly.

You talk about how the "bibled numbers" wouldn't help sway you. The most important number is efficiency. (power out / power in). The "perfect spectrum" will do very little to improve yields. Increasing efficiency will improve yields every time.

Given SPD and input power remain constant, an increase in efficiency translates to greater yields.

If you don't care about efficiency, you are wasting electricity and doing a disservice to the environment.
 
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churchhaze said:
I'm totally right, and you ARE trying to argue... very much so. No offense but "I don't grow for yield" is a terrible excuse for low yields. There is help. Not all is lost...

HPS 4 U
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back to you never answered my question

Does your high yielding bud,

only require one hit to get ya there? (potency)
Last for over 4 (or more) hours? (legs)
Next hit takes you higher than the last? (ceiling)

Answer that question honestly then we can talk, because my low yielding T5 buds all do this
 
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churchhaze

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back to you never answered my question

Does your high yielding bud,

only require one hit to get ya there? (potency)
Last for over 4 (or more) hours? (legs)
Next hit takes you higher than the last? (ceiling)

Answer that question honestly then we can talk, because my low yielding T5 buds all do this
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I honestly don't know how to interpret your question. I grow pure power plant right now. That's all I can really say. It's weed. I smoke weed and get high. I smoke a one hit bowl about every hour out of habit. The quality depends mostly on whether I remembered to change the reservoirs frequently enough. When I don't, the leaves start turning yellow/brown and the buds quality goes down.
 
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churchhaze

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You don't have "hundreds" of followers, you have "hundred" followers. Not plural. The fact that you're not following anyone yet they're all following you suggests you're somewhat of an arrogant sociopath.
 
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I honestly don't know how to interpret your question. I grow pure power plant right now. That's all I can really say. It's weed. I smoke weed and get high. I smoke a one hit bowl about every hour out of habit. The quality depends mostly on whether I remembered to change the reservoirs frequently enough. When I don't, the leaves start turning yellow/brown and the buds quality goes down.
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Most pot smokers I know have a place they like to go to, a favorite high so to speak. Most will continue smoking till they get to that place, that high. So my question translates to how many hits do you have to take to get to "your" favorite place ? Once there how long does it last ? If you take more hits do they take you higher or simply make the same high last longer ?
 
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