HLVd- should I start over genetics wise

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Apalchen

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So one of my favorite strains I’ve had for years seems to have HLVd. Small leaves really close weird node spacing. I’d take a picture but I cut down all the ones showing symptoms. Thing it’s spread with cloning tools so I’d guess that all my plants have a presence of the virus.

I hear you can get it tested but not sure if that’s only for licensed facilities. I would really like to do that it’s taken me years to find all my keepers and I really don’t wanna start over.

I hear meristem tissue culture alone only cures likes 10% of HLVd cases. Some places are having good success and I’m in contact with one but not sure if he can do it or not since I’m not licensed in his state. I’m going to try to to contact him on Monday.



All this being said is it possible for fungus gnats to cause the same symtpoms? Theee have been some tenacious fungus gnats though and really hard to get rid of, possible root avids? at this point I’d much rather it be bugs no matter the kind I can fix that way cheaper and easier than HLVd. But I have brittle stems, smaller leaves, and really close weird intermodal spacing on a lot of branches but not every branch.

I could just start all over from seed I guess but I’ve spent years finding these keepers I have and I have some really nice stuff. If I could get it all cleaned through one of these labs that can do it I’d be willing to drop a good bit to get a few of them back clean and just start over with those.

Any experience with this?
 
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bulletxs

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There are several companies that will test for you if you want to send in samples. DHN and FarmerFreeman are two that come to mind. With either of them your just shipping a few fan leaves put inside of a baggie packed with an icepack. I wouldn't bother messing with tissue culture until you first get it tested to see if the virus is even present.
 
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Apalchen

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waterproof808 said:
Sounds like you have root aphids
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Never thought I’d like that comment, but if that’s the case I can work toward fixing that no matter how hard it is.

bulletxs said:
There are several companies that will test for you if you want to send in samples. DHN and FarmerFreeman are two that come to mind. With either of them your just shipping a few fan leaves put inside of a baggie packed with an icepack. I wouldn't bother messing with tissue culture until you first get it tested to see if the virus is even present.
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Yeah I’m going to send a test out when I can get ahold of them to see about it. We already in contact by email. Any idea how much they would charge to fix it if I did have it. I have determined I don’t mind starting over with everything but one strain, but I’ve heard tc alone only works like 10% or the time have to use somewhere like dark hear that uses the cold therapy during the process.

On a good note I was able to find some packs of seeds of my favorite strain, I wonder how many packs I’d have to go thru to find something close to the same or if that’s even possible.
 
Thegermling

Thegermling

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Apalchen said:
So one of my favorite strains I’ve had for years seems to have HLVd. Small leaves really close weird node spacing. I’d take a picture but I cut down all the ones showing symptoms. Thing it’s spread with cloning tools so I’d guess that all my plants have a presence of the virus.

I hear you can get it tested but not sure if that’s only for licensed facilities. I would really like to do that it’s taken me years to find all my keepers and I really don’t wanna start over.

I hear meristem tissue culture alone only cures likes 10% of HLVd cases. Some places are having good success and I’m in contact with one but not sure if he can do it or not since I’m not licensed in his state. I’m going to try to to contact him on Monday.



All this being said is it possible for fungus gnats to cause the same symtpoms? Theee have been some tenacious fungus gnats though and really hard to get rid of, possible root avids? at this point I’d much rather it be bugs no matter the kind I can fix that way cheaper and easier than HLVd. But I have brittle stems, smaller leaves, and really close weird intermodal spacing on a lot of branches but not every branch.

I could just start all over from seed I guess but I’ve spent years finding these keepers I have and I have some really nice stuff. If I could get it all cleaned through one of these labs that can do it I’d be willing to drop a good bit to get a few of them back clean and just start over with those.

Any experience with this?
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Email farmer freeman and ask him about his plant viroid test. It’s not on his website yet but he will begin to offer it soon on there. You send him 3 whole leaves on an ice pack and he will send you results.
Also, TC should only be done in a legit lab not in some tent or a hobby growers house. Don’t get me wrong it’s nice to learn how to do it but usually the right equipment costs ALOT.
Also, pests like aphids, spider mites etc., can carry and spread the hplvd. This is literally plant aids.
Not disinfecting plant tools is bad too. Many believe hplvd can pass sap to sap. As in you use cutters on one infected plant and there’s now sap on the tool. You then don’t disinfect the tool and go to a healthy entirely different plant and use the cutters on that and boom it’s now infected. Future cannabis project has some good video’s on it. They say it may be possible to spread by mechanical transmission ( infected leaves one one plant touch non infected leaves on another plant). They said they have seen plants get infected in organic beds where plants are planted in the same container. So if that’s the case if you have something like a flood and drain where all the plants share the same solution then it can pass like that as well (not sure).
I know growers who have had to toss keeper cuts because of hplvd. It’s sucks man. Getting a good tc costs thousands but there’s really no option that I know of for hobbyist growers.
 
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Apalchen said:
Never thought I’d like that comment, but if that’s the case I can work toward fixing that no matter how hard it is.


Yeah I’m going to send a test out when I can get ahold of them to see about it. We already in contact by email. Any idea how much they would charge to fix it if I did have it. I have determined I don’t mind starting over with everything but one strain, but I’ve heard tc alone only works like 10% or the time have to use somewhere like dark hear that uses the cold therapy during the process.

On a good note I was able to find some packs of seeds of my favorite strain, I wonder how many packs I’d have to go thru to find something close to the same or if that’s even possible.
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Depends on the plant and its' breeding. I reversed the original GG#4 and was able to get her back in a reliable 10-20 seeds. With RP Kosher Kush I was able to find the jackpot pheno within 10 seeds. Other mixed breedings it's taken 100 or so. Those are just my experience, yours could vary. I lost my original KK to it so I hope meristem tc will clean it up if you have that. Most of all I hope you don't have it. Best of luck on this.
 
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Apalchen

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Thegermling said:
Email farmer freeman and ask him about his plant viroid test. It’s not on his website yet but he will begin to offer it soon on there. You send him 3 whole leaves on an ice pack and he will send you results.
Also, TC should only be done in a legit lab not in some tent or a hobby growers house. Don’t get me wrong it’s nice to learn how to do it but usually the right equipment costs ALOT.
Also, pests like aphids, spider mites etc., can carry and spread the hplvd. This is literally plant aids.
Not disinfecting plant tools is bad too. Many believe hplvd can pass sap to sap. As in you use cutters on one infected plant and there’s now sap on the tool. You then don’t disinfect the tool and go to a healthy entirely different plant and use the cutters on that and boom it’s now infected. Future cannabis project has some good video’s on it. They say it may be possible to spread by mechanical transmission ( infected leaves one one plant touch non infected leaves on another plant). They said they have seen plants get infected in organic beds where plants are planted in the same container. So if that’s the case if you have something like a flood and drain where all the plants share the same solution then it can pass like that as well (not sure).
I know growers who have had to toss keeper cuts because of hplvd. It’s sucks man. Getting a good tc costs thousands but there’s really no option that I know of for hobbyist growers.
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I’d pay several thousand for this cut to come back clean. I run drain to waste so won’t spread that way, that being said I’d say the whole grow is infected from scissors by me. I’m still trying to come up with a plan for scissors and blades for in the future, not sure the best way to be able to take lots of cuts but still be sterile.
 
MyBallzItch

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It appears that you know what you're doing but I water with gnatrol every 5-7 days. The only thing to reliably keep them away. Put a bunch of the yellow sticky traps along the medium for the first couple weeks after you start and they will grab a lot of the ones already flying around or just breaking ground. Best of luck. I always hate hearing the stories of people who really love the plant losing everything. I've found the community has a way of rallying and helping those in your situation. Put the word out on your socials and I bet you will find people offering replacements if you want to replace your cuts

Apalchen said:
Yes I’ve taken in too many cuts, I quarantine for bugs and mold but didn’t think about viruses. I mean I knew of it but didn’t think it was a common thing.
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Just local cuts or strainly?
 
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Apalchen

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MyBallzItch said:
It appears that you know what you're doing but I water with gnatrol every 5-7 days. The only thing to reliably keep them away. Put a bunch of the yellow sticky traps along the medium for the first couple weeks after you start and they will grab a lot of the ones already flying around or just breaking ground. Best of luck. I always hate hearing the stories of people who really love the plant losing everything. I've found the community has a way of rallying and helping those in your situation. Put the word out on your socials and I bet you will find people offering replacements if you want to replace your cuts



Just local cuts or strainly?
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Not Strainly but not all local either. I use gnatrol quite often but I need find a cheaper way to buy it cause it takes so much for this many pots. I got a bottle of sns 203 or 202 something like that and used it yesterday, but didn’t realize I’d have to use the whole bottle to treat, smh.

I’ve heard varying things about whether mosquito bits are the right BT for fungus gnats any experience with that? Seems could be much cheaper to just add those to my pots. Not at all trying to be cheap but gnatrol pretty much cost me 100+ dollars per treatment and they need it pretty often to get good results I guess, cause a few treatments doesn’t seem to work.

I was gonna try Monterey’s spinosad for a root drench but can’t find anything on using it that way.
 
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Apalchen

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MyBallzItch said:
It appears that you know what you're doing but I water with gnatrol every 5-7 days. The only thing to reliably keep them away. Put a bunch of the yellow sticky traps along the medium for the first couple weeks after you start and they will grab a lot of the ones already flying around or just breaking ground. Best of luck. I always hate hearing the stories of people who really love the plant losing everything. I've found the community has a way of rallying and helping those in your situation. Put the word out on your socials and I bet you will find people offering replacements if you want to replace your cuts



Just local cuts or strainly?
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Oh and as far as replacing cuts I’m not that worried about it other than the my modified mints cut, the other keepers I have either came from seed packs I feel were consistent enough that if I want to replace it, it won’t be an issue( kitchen sink and tropical torte) well if I can find the packs but that shouldn’t be that hard. Otherwise the strains are easily replaced, if I can bring myself to trust the source. I guess my quarantine period will now have be include testing for viruses if I decide to take in more clones.
 
Thegermling

Thegermling

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Apalchen said:
I’d pay several thousand for this cut to come back clean. I run drain to waste so won’t spread that way, that being said I’d say the whole grow is infected from scissors by me. I’m still trying to come up with a plan for scissors and blades for in the future, not sure the best way to be able to take lots of cuts but still be sterile.
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Look into Virkon S. FCP said that’s good for disinfecting. Bleach is good too but you have to leave it (cutting tool) in the solution for about 45 seconds. I’ve been trying to find a lab that offers cannabis tc to hobbyist growers but no luck. I don’t have hplvd (knock on wood) but I want to meristem scrub some of my keepers to be safe.
Keep in mind that seeds have a 10% chance to pass on hplvd as well. I soak my seeds in something like dr zymes to disinfect them.
 
Rurumo

Rurumo

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Apalchen said:
So one of my favorite strains I’ve had for years seems to have HLVd. Small leaves really close weird node spacing. I’d take a picture but I cut down all the ones showing symptoms. Thing it’s spread with cloning tools so I’d guess that all my plants have a presence of the virus.

I hear you can get it tested but not sure if that’s only for licensed facilities. I would really like to do that it’s taken me years to find all my keepers and I really don’t wanna start over.

I hear meristem tissue culture alone only cures likes 10% of HLVd cases. Some places are having good success and I’m in contact with one but not sure if he can do it or not since I’m not licensed in his state. I’m going to try to to contact him on Monday.



All this being said is it possible for fungus gnats to cause the same symtpoms? Theee have been some tenacious fungus gnats though and really hard to get rid of, possible root avids? at this point I’d much rather it be bugs no matter the kind I can fix that way cheaper and easier than HLVd. But I have brittle stems, smaller leaves, and really close weird intermodal spacing on a lot of branches but not every branch.

I could just start all over from seed I guess but I’ve spent years finding these keepers I have and I have some really nice stuff. If I could get it all cleaned through one of these labs that can do it I’d be willing to drop a good bit to get a few of them back clean and just start over with those.

Any experience with this?
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I saw this post and was just curious if you ever had that plant tested for hlvd?
 
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Treesomewanted77

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Apalchen said:
Not Strainly but not all local either. I use gnatrol quite often but I need find a cheaper way to buy it cause it takes so much for this many pots. I got a bottle of sns 203 or 202 something like that and used it yesterday, but didn’t realize I’d have to use the whole bottle to treat, smh.

I’ve heard varying things about whether mosquito bits are the right BT for fungus gnats any experience with that? Seems could be much cheaper to just add those to my pots. Not at all trying to be cheap but gnatrol pretty much cost me 100+ dollars per treatment and they need it pretty often to get good results I guess, cause a few treatments doesn’t seem to work.

I was gonna try Monterey’s spinosad for a root drench but can’t find anything on using it that way.
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I know it’s not cost effective but running the sunshine advanced mix#4 have never had any pest issues. Knock on wood. Even with watering 3 times a day and other coco mixes and mediums have all gotten peat with the 3 feeds per day. Not a full on solution to your exact problem but may be something to look at if your spending lots too fight them off anyway may be equally expensive or may save ya a few bucks. Wish ya the best of luck with your situation and hope you get it figured out
 
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Apalchen

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Rurumo said:
I saw this post and was just curious if you ever had that plant tested for hlvd?
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No I never had any test done but it ended up spreading to everything I had. I lost half of 3 crops in a row to the trash bin before I gave up and cut all my genetics down. I’ve started fresh from seed, and once this crop finishes up I’ve hunted well over 200 seeds looking for new moms, and have lots nice ones to choose from.

I still haven’t financially recovered which is made even harder right now with this crazy market. And I’m having to transition again and consider rosin yields into the factor when choosing moms. Just the way the market is moving right now.
 
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Apalchen

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Treesomewanted77 said:
I know it’s not cost effective but running the sunshine advanced mix#4 have never had any pest issues. Knock on wood. Even with watering 3 times a day and other coco mixes and mediums have all gotten peat with the 3 feeds per day. Not a full on solution to your exact problem but may be something to look at if your spending lots too fight them off anyway may be equally expensive or may save ya a few bucks. Wish ya the best of luck with your situation and hope you get it figured out
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Luckily they have been gone since switching to a different hydro store with cleaner storage area.
 
Rurumo

Rurumo

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Apalchen said:
No I never had any test done but it ended up spreading to everything I had. I lost half of 3 crops in a row to the trash bin before I gave up and cut all my genetics down. I’ve started fresh from seed, and once this crop finishes up I’ve hunted well over 200 seeds looking for new moms, and have lots nice ones to choose from.

I still haven’t financially recovered which is made even harder right now with this crazy market. And I’m having to transition again and consider rosin yields into the factor when choosing moms. Just the way the market is moving right now.
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Wow, that's terrible, but the spread pretty much confirmed things. Good luck with your new mom hunt!
 
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