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HonestGenetics420

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I had someone ask me a question over email that I’ve gotten on a few occasions. I’m gonna go ahead and post the answer here so that I can point people to this post in the future.
The question was are S1 and BX the same? This answer will also cover another common question I get, what’s a BX?

S1 and BX are completely different. S1 is less work overall and is always feminized. You just cross a clone with itself and that’s S1, if you cross an S1 with itself that’s an S2. And if you cross an S1 with the original clone that’s a S IX.

But BX takes another generation of work to make, possibly a few generations depending on what you do. The Mint Chocolate Chip BX I made is not a traditional BX, it’s 62.5% Mint Chocolate Chip because I used my Chocolate Frosting male and hit it to another strain I made that was a traditional 75% Mint Chocolate Chip BX. The result of that type of combination is known as a “weak BX”. However weak BX is a terrible name because this type of combination includes more vigor and also if done correctly is my personal favorite style of BX.
BX’s are usually regs. Not always, but usually they are.

The Dosidos BX I made is a traditional BX which means it is 75% Dosidos Genetics.

So to recap, S1’s are 100% genetics and are selfed clones.
BX’s are strains over 50% one strain and less than 100%.
True/traditional BX’s are 75% genetics of one clone
“weak” BX’s are 62.5% or less of one clones genetics
And BX2 and above are all 87.5% and up of one clones genetics

There’s another term that you sometimes see used as well called IX. An IX is when you take a plant from one generation and cross it with a clone of the same strain from a different generation. Thus reaulting in an “In Cross” or IX. Examples like F2 x F1, F5 x F3, F3 x F2, F7 x F1, etcetera are all examples of IX work. As long as it’s the same strain being bred across different generations it is an IX.

S means Selfed
BX means Back Cross
IX means In Cross

Can you have an IX that’s also a BX? Yes you can as long as the clone from the previous generation is also a parent to the plant in the later generation. An example of an IX that’s also a BX is the Symbiotic Genetics Purple Punch IX Seeds that they dropped. They used Purple Punch to make an F2 of the cross and then crossed it back to the Purple Punch clone, that’s an IX/BX combination.

If you didn’t already know all this, now you do ;)
Also, the correct way to list genetics is always with the pollen donor second. So the male or reversed female should always come second. If you see someone list their pollen donor first then they don’t know the first thing about breeding lol
 

HonestGenetics420

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Can't wait to see them @main cola.

I'll be giving my girls some new shoes in the next few days, going into 1 gallon radicle bags where they'll live the rest of their lives. Will update with pics after transplanting.
I’m unaware of your exact setup, but you might wanna consider bigger pots for their final homes. I personally veg in 1.5 gallons and flower in 5-7gallons of soil depending on the strain. That plus a steady feed of plant food is how you can achieve the best yields possible on indoor with my gear. But like I said, I’m unaware of your exact setup, you might have plant height and space limitations that I am unaware of
 

socaljoe

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I’m unaware of your exact setup, but you might wanna consider bigger pots for their final homes. I personally veg in 1.5 gallons and flower in 5-7gallons of soil depending on the strain. That plus a steady feed of plant food is how you can achieve the best yields possible on indoor with my gear. But like I said, I’m unaware of your exact setup, you might have plant height and space limitations that I am unaware of
Right now I'm on my first indoor grow, so I decided to start small and see how things go. I'm in a 2x2x4 tent, so space is a limiting factor. Also, I'm growing in Coco, so I'm not super worried about the container size as long as I do my part with feeding/watering as needed...I'm not going for a long veg cycle either. In all honesty, I'm not after the best yield possible, mostly I'm just having fun gardening and trying to supply my mom so she doesn't have to buy from dispensaries.

I appreciate the advice though. I'm sure many things I'm doing are less than optimal, but I'll learn as I go and am glad to take pointers as they come.
 
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growslut

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Right now I'm on my first indoor grow, so I decided to start small and see how things go. I'm in a 2x2x4 tent, so space is a limiting factor. Also, I'm growing in Coco, so I'm not super worried about the container size as long as I do my part with feeding/watering as needed...I'm not going for a long veg cycle either. In all honesty, I'm not after the best yield possible, mostly I'm just having fun gardening and trying to supply my mom so she doesn't have to buy from dispensaries.

I appreciate the advice though. I'm sure many things I'm doing are less than optimal, but I'll learn as I go and am glad to take pointers as they come.
Lucky Mom!

Did you already flip to 12/12?

I flipped my seedlings to 12/12 last week b/c had to sex some older plants in the tent and ran out of space in the flower tent. They are only 4-5 inches tall and haven't shown any signs of sex yet. I plan to empty the older plants out of the tent today and return the Honest seedlings to 18/6 for a month or so of veg.

100% germ rate on all Honest gear so far. 1 each of the fems and 2 Purple Punch and Mint Choc Chip
 
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HonestGenetics420

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Right now I'm on my first indoor grow, so I decided to start small and see how things go. I'm in a 2x2x4 tent, so space is a limiting factor. Also, I'm growing in Coco, so I'm not super worried about the container size as long as I do my part with feeding/watering as needed...I'm not going for a long veg cycle either. In all honesty, I'm not after the best yield possible, mostly I'm just having fun gardening and trying to supply my mom so she doesn't have to buy from dispensaries.

I appreciate the advice though. I'm sure many things I'm doing are less than optimal, but I'll learn as I go and am glad to take pointers as they come.
Root mass and feeding are the basis by which overall yields are pretty much determined. I would recommend based on the space you gave using 3 gallon pots and running four plants in flowering in there. Cut the plants back to under 1 foot tall before flowering them as well. The cut back will also help you get more tops. Don’t start flowering right after a cut back either, give yourself another week. Try to cut the plants about 6” or so for the best structure possible. If you don’t get big roots you won’t get big flowers, I’d hate for you to do all that work and not get a nice return, one gallons really don’t produce well at all, even in coco. Just my advice ;)
Good on you for taking care of your mom like that! :)
 

HonestGenetics420

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Lucky Mom!

Did you already flip to 12/12?

I flipped my seedlings to 12/12 last week b/c had to sex some older plants in the tent and ran out of space in the flower tent. They are only 4-5 inches tall and haven't shown any signs of sex yet. I plan to empty the older plants out of the tent today and return the Honest seedlings to 18/6 for a month or so of veg.

100% germ rate on all Honest gear so far. 1 each of the fems and 2 Purple Punch and Mint Choc Chip
I would recommend just waiting for the plants to reveal sex naturally in the future. Flipping to flower and then flipping back creates a stress period for the plants that takes a couple weeks or more to bounce back from. Usually you’ll lose a lot of valuable growth like that. Try waiting until the plants are about 5-6weeks old and they will show you on their own. Calyxes are girls, pollen sacks are boys, and plants that show no signs yet are usually also boys ;)
 

socaljoe

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Lucky Mom!

Did you already flip to 12/12?

I flipped my seedlings to 12/12 last week b/c had to sex some older plants in the tent and ran out of space in the flower tent. They are only 4-5 inches tall and haven't shown any signs of sex yet. I plan to empty the older plants out of the tent today and return the Honest seedlings to 18/6 for a month or so of veg.

100% germ rate on all Honest gear so far. 1 each of the fems and 2 Purple Punch and Mint Choc Chip
I haven't flipped yet. Kind of changed my plan a bit, now I'm giving them a bit of veg so I can top and spread them out a bit.
 

althor

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I would recommend just waiting for the plants to reveal sex naturally in the future. Flipping to flower and then flipping back creates a stress period for the plants that takes a couple weeks or more to bounce back from. Usually you’ll lose a lot of valuable growth like that. Try waiting until the plants are about 5-6weeks old and they will show you on their own. Calyxes are girls, pollen sacks are boys, and plants that show no signs yet are usually also boys ;)
Yeah, I saw a conversation about this recently with someone recommending the OP flip to 12/12, sex them, dispose of males, then flip back for more veg... I said then and will say it now, that is way too much time invested for something that really doesn't matter that much. You are going to lose 2 weeks atleast just for the plants adjusting to the changes. Might as well just let them go, sex them regularly, then cull the males if that is what you choose to do... personally I collect pollen first.
 

socaljoe

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Root mass and feeding are the basis by which overall yields are pretty much determined. I would recommend based on the space you gave using 3 gallon pots and running four plants in flowering in there. Cut the plants back to under 1 foot tall before flowering them as well. The cut back will also help you get more tops. Don’t start flowering right after a cut back either, give yourself another week. Try to cut the plants about 6” or so for the best structure possible. If you don’t get big roots you won’t get big flowers, I’d hate for you to do all that work and not get a nice return, one gallons really don’t produce well at all, even in coco. Just my advice ;)
Good on you for taking care of your mom like that! :)
I understand where you're coming from with your advice, and if this were a serious run that's how I'd be doing things, but it's not a serious run, it's a fun side project. Right now, I'm just looking to get an indoor run under my belt to get an idea how I need to approach things as my experience is growing outdoor. After this run, I'll get a bit more serious about it.

I hope this isn't coming across as dismissive, I really do appreciate the advice, I just have a certain idea that I want to follow through on and see how it goes.
 

growslut

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I would recommend just waiting for the plants to reveal sex naturally in the future. Flipping to flower and then flipping back creates a stress period for the plants that takes a couple weeks or more to bounce back from. Usually you’ll lose a lot of valuable growth like that. Try waiting until the plants are about 5-6weeks old and they will show you on their own. Calyxes are girls, pollen sacks are boys, and plants that show no signs yet are usually also boys ;)
Really appreciate your sharing valuable growing advice, Honest. Its easy finding seeds, its harder finding solid knowledge. :clap:

I totally agree with you. I've been there. It wastes weeks and the plant stalls switching back from flower to veg. I'm hoping this round might be different and the plants hopefully handle it better because they are still so young. Leaves are barely touching the edges of the solo cup. Fingers crossed they keep growing without stalling. I'll keep the thread updated on how it goes.

Also planted a couple more SJ and Banana Cocktail today.
 

Bodyne

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Just an FYI, Instagram deleted me again. They are so lame lol. Anyways today is the last day of my holiday promotion, I recommend emailing me for more details
HonestHerbal420@gmail.com
or you can contact me via KIK: HonestGenetics
As long as you’re contacting me during the day I’m pretty good at responding in ten minutes or less ;)
you need to post more pics of gals spread out ready to take it, instead of flower or grow pics, lol, they seem to let those slide, but IG been on a tear lately. poor Doc Dank, lol, I don't know how many times they took his down, lol, even with a free giveaway, lmfao.
 

HonestGenetics420

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you need to post more pics of gals spread out ready to take it, instead of flower or grow pics, lol, they seem to let those slide, but IG been on a tear lately. poor Doc Dank, lol, I don't know how many times they took his down, lol, even with a free giveaway, lmfao.
That was my 6th deletion by IG lol
 
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