Hormones vs Co2 - Hormones Cheaper Potentially Yeild the Same!

eza82

eza82

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LOL
Ow yer by the way we could probably sell a formulated hormone schedual that works. Or manufacture or own SUPERTHRIVE type thing..... But This is not easy and will probably take yrs to perfect......LOL
Hey it possible...... just not likely ! But what we may do is help ourselves create FREAKS of the bud world......
 
spiked1

spiked1

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I recently bought a product called Flower Seed Soak,
It consists of Ethylene acid, Alginic acid and Vitamins.
It claims to Stimulate the seed to encourage a tendancy for the plant to become female.
Directions: Wrap seeds tightly in WHITE tissue paper and fold over 3 or 4 times, wet with Seed Soak
and place in a plastic zip lock bag for no less than 24 hours and no more than 30 hours.
Well I tried this several times but only my freshest seeds remained viable after soaking,
they were a cross of Lowryder 2 and Durban Poison Autoflowering that I bred myself.
The final result?

3 females and 3 males, not so good, so since they are auto's I'm using I can keep experimenting
and I only need to wait 3 weeks for sexing.
I have another 12 soaked seeds popping today so I'm trying again, but this time I'm also using La Femme as well.
If I get 12 females I'll be a happy chappy but we'll see.
 
eza82

eza82

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-LA FEMME active: NAA (aussie product sold through hydro stores for hemp) , I already have this hormone with first application on today....... Obviosly for inducing female..... See how we go from 5 bag seed... sceptic that i am. Need some good base plants so will grow good out door & indoor mothers and go from there....

heres the quick profile....
1-Naphthaleneacetic Acid (NAA),
The effects of 1-naphthaleneacetic acid (NAA) applied at various levels and times on yield, seed index, protein and oil content and fatty acid compositions of cotton plants seeds were studied. NAA increased the seed yield/plant and the seed, protein, and oil yields/ha compared to the control. A level of 20 ppm proved best for yield. Most NAA treatments significantly increased the seed index, but only slight increases in seed protein content were recorded.
 
eza82

eza82

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spiked1 said:
I recently bought a product called Flower Seed Soak,
It consists of Ethylene acid, Alginic acid and Vitamins.
It claims to Stimulate the seed to encourage a tendancy for the plant to become female.
Directions: Wrap seeds tightly in WHITE tissue paper and fold over 3 or 4 times, wet with Seed Soak
and place in a plastic zip lock bag for no less than 24 hours and no more than 30 hours.
Well I tried this several times but only my freshest seeds remained viable after soaking,
they were a cross of Lowryder 2 and Durban Poison Autoflowering that I bred myself.
The final result?

3 females and 3 males, not so good, so since they are auto's I'm using I can keep experimenting
and I only need to wait 3 weeks for sexing.
I have another 12 soaked seeds popping today so I'm trying again, but this time I'm also using La Femme as well.
If I get 12 females I'll be a happy chappy but we'll see.
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Ethylene acid, Alginic acid and Vitamins - The ethylene would be good for bud......the alginic is just a seaweed extract or most common found in Brown alge.... But has hormone like properties but you would put it as a vitiman..
 
Jester88

Jester88

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umm like i said me n some mates found that its best to regulate to what you want them too do....

we used nutes too cos we found it best just to help with the plants growth not force it to grow..

i used to pay some attention too the roots and little to the veg growth... we found that this can be done wrong and the plants can get that spindly that they break under the weight of flower.. so i must say i disagree with theyou cant fuck it up comment (depends what you call a fuck up...

one of my mates found a good way for the whole cycle but to be honest mine werent too far off his ehy...

all we used to do is grow the plant as normal really but using hormones kinda like extra nutes that you kknow what the plants gonna do next :smile:

like i said we still used nutes theres crtain things the plant needs especially to keep up with rapid growth...

like i said i found it best when you grow the plant as normal with nutes, or whatever you use (i change all the time from grow to grow).

but what you wanna do is giive it the hormones that help with what you want your plant to do. ie: grow, root, ect

what i used too do is basically go by the plant...

i didnt overdoo the roots ont the contrary i started all normal and then gave the plant rooting hormones as soon as i used to think it was ready for them, id generally let it get most of its size naturally then when it hit flower give it some hormones/steroids to encourage it to bulk up

this seemed to work the best sometimes id help it grow throughout the veg with hormones but not that often and just a little..

my advice is go by the plant. when you think its ready to handle what change your gonna throw at it do it.

to enduce the buds i like to start giving it the budding stuff generally a wek before to wekish after budding but you can start whenever you want. you just gotta remember the plants gotta have time to start reacting to them as well...

but i found it good to just concentrate on rooting and bud size mainly. but like i said there is the odd occasion i like to make them taller but generally this can stretch them.. but yes there is a mix you can make up to solve this problem as many more. the question is what do you want them to do and is the plant ready or gonna need it...

theres no one way we found... but there is many different ways depending on what you decide you want to do with the plant... and all that...

a lot of factors come into this ive just given you the most basic knowledge so far as too people here dont seem t like big reads.

also sorry about the shitty sentancing and what not im in a hurry i hope yas get the point tho :smile:

all youcan do is read up on them and hope ya get it right if your a beginner these are something that takes getting use too....

and yes noobs should definately learn to grow normally first. or theyll definately fail..
but like i said i found it best to concentrate on certain things. and ma other mates others, one of us hormones for the whole lot...
but to be honest not much difference really and sometimes ours looked better....

you dont want to give it a hormone deficiency.. look at people who grow really tall and lanky in a general there bones dont have time to develope properly resulting in a week bone structure to the point of somee cant fall or theyll break something. i got a mate thats really tall with this prob.
like the problem i said with the lanky plant gettin big buds and snapping.. ya know.. theres all kindsa things really, and uless you know what your doing and actually preffer growing the whole cycle with hormones do it. like i said i did sometimes. i just found it better to compliment the plant and not over do it...

sorry if this is a wast of time
jester

but yeah weve experimented with this among other things :)
 
Jester88

Jester88

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yeah dont worry im subscribed.

umm ill share what knowledge i have in this aspect as it occurs to me k :)

but i like the post hopefully we can get some good stuff outa this

wish i could do some more practical n show ya the results.. but ive been raided and warned a few times in the last year so my production is minimal sorry.
most of ma input will be from my experience and what my mates are doing at the time when its there.

yes im the only one that got busted lol. i mean what kind dickheads gonna give friends up ya know.

so i should be able ta help in some way once i figur out a plan K :)

jester88
 
eza82

eza82

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Jester88 said:
yeah dont worry im subscribed.

umm ill share what knowledge i have in this aspect as it occurs to me k :)

but i like the post hopefully we can get some good stuff outa this

wish i could do some more practical n show ya the results.. but ive been raided and warned a few times in the last year so my production is minimal sorry.
most of ma input will be from my experience and what my mates are doing at the time when its there.

yes im the only one that got busted lol. i mean what kind dickheads gonna give friends up ya know.

so i should be able ta help in some way once i figur out a plan K :)

jester88
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Welcome...... toke on this bongsmilie
Excellent. I know you can help....
Ow yer can u find that formula your m8 uses for budding..... And some sorta report on useing it when... and what effects it had...... thanx champ
 
spiked1

spiked1

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My interest here is the possibility to make seeds female to save some time, experimentaly anyway,
as that is what some of these products claim to do.
I grew my first plant in 1973 just after I turned 15, but now that I live in a townhouse I'm limited to small closet grows,
so obviously I need to make the most of it, just wish I had more time and space eo experiment along these lines.
Neverless I'm subscribed out bof genuine interest. Keep it up guys, especially my fellow aussie brothers.
 
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auto

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i have some GIBBERELLIC ACID (GA3) i will be trying on a outdoor stunted durban poison, i am yet to work out measurments for this stuff but it is 90 % pure.
 
eza82

eza82

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UNDER A LINK on MAIN PAGE: REF to GA3

Recipes FOR GA3 - folia spray with penotrator i would suggest or paste
( this is a studied recipe so I figure we should stick to it)

PPM 50 - GA mg 125 Water 2400ml Purpose = early flower
PPM 200 - GA mg 125 Water 600ml Purpose = early flower
PPM 800 - GA mg 125 Water 160ml Purpose = blossom set
PPM 2000 - GA mg 125 Water 60ml Purpose = Seed germ
1%paste - GA mg 125 Water 5ml Purpose = growth promoter

Too much youll turn your girl into boys or hermi`s

Careful shit is nasty
Although GA is not listed as a "poison", the following precautions should be observed: Flush with water any GA that may get into the eye. Avoid skin contact if possible. If skin contact is suspected, wash with soap and water. Do not re-enter an area after spraying until the GA spray is fully dry. Avoid ingestion of GA.
RESULT:
Premature flowering. If a plant is sufficiently developed, premature flowering may be induced by direct application of GA to young plants. This action is not sustained and treatment may have to be repeated. Formation of male flowers is generally promoted by concentrations of 10 to 200 ppm., female flowers by concentrations of 200 to 300 ppm. Concentrations of more than 600 ppm markedly suppresses initiation of both male and female flowers.

Increased growth. GA applied near the terminal bud of trees may increase the rate of growth by stimulating more or less constant growth during the season. In a Department of Agriculture experiment, the GA was applied as a 1% paste in a band around the terminal bud of trees. Treatment was repeated three times during the summer. Walnut tee growth was 8.5 ft. for treated trees, 1.5 ft. for untreated trees

http://www.crfg.org/tidbits/gibberellic.html

another : Fruit trees.....
A spray of GA3 (gibberellic acid) at a concentration of 15–30 ppm at full bloom significantly increased yields (by 50–400%). In young trees (4–5 years old), a narrow (2–3 mm) girdling at the time of sprouting, together with GA3, gave best results.
 
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auto

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well this is what im using it for (1%paste - GA mg 125 Water 5ml Purpose = growth promoter)

but measurments ?

thats only a 1% paste at 125mgs, so i should use about 10 mgs ?
 
eza82

eza82

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auto said:
well this is what im using it for (1%paste - GA mg 125 Water 5ml Purpose = growth promoter)

but measurments ?

thats only a 1% paste at 125mgs, so i should use about 10 mgs ?
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Thats the formula to create 1%paste = 125mg of ga3 powder + 5ml water
 
eza82

eza82

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So i guess if you wanna scale it down........ youve got some maths/ and I dont think it would viable - making a paste is what it is..... PPM is easier to fuck with.
 
eza82

eza82

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You wouldnt if you were doing paste... which now I think about it probably more controlled anyway..... Just follow formula, as stated 125mg of powder and 5ml water... mix it and smear a small ring around the base of your plant after making 1 or 2 small scratchs vertically to break surface.
 
eza82

eza82

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6-BENZYLAMINOPURINE & BRASSINOLIDE is something you also you should look at with ga3.....
I think I will also be doing the same includeding NAA ( female hormone NO REAL CONCLUSIVE REPORTS) and IBA(rooting/growth through willow water or asprin) in the mix.
 
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