Hormones with Nutrients

Aston1

Member
Hi

I am planning 2-4 weeks veg and flowering outdoor
FIM and short veg (not the best)
Seeds already germinated :

[FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]Gigabud
Amnesia Haze
[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]Kaya Gold
S.A.G.E
[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]Monster[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]Kushage x2[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]Burmese Kush x2[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]White Widow x Big Bud x2
Jack Herer x2
Easy Sativa x6
[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]Critical x6

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Nutrients:

Canna Terra Vega & Flores
Canna Rhizotonic
Canna Cannazym
Canna PK13/14
Hesi Super Vit
BIO BIZZ TOP MAX

Bat Guano (NPK 2-15-1)
CO2 Tablets

Hormones:

Benzylaminopurine
Brassinolide
Triacontanol
Naphthalene Acetic Acid
Gibberellic Acid
Indole Acetic Acid
Fulvic Acid


My question
How to use these hormones with nutrients ?
 

decrimCA

Active Member
Hi

I am planning 2-4 weeks veg and flowering outdoor
FIM and short veg (not the best)
Seeds already germinated :

[FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]Gigabud
Amnesia Haze
[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]Kaya Gold
S.A.G.E
[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]Monster[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]Kushage x2[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]Burmese Kush x2[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]White Widow x Big Bud x2
Jack Herer x2
Easy Sativa x6
[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]Critical x6

[/FONT]
Nutrients:

Canna Terra Vega & Flores
Canna Rhizotonic
Canna Cannazym
Canna PK13/14
Hesi Super Vit
BIO BIZZ TOP MAX

Bat Guano (NPK 2-15-1)
CO2 Tablets

Hormones:

Benzylaminopurine
Brassinolide
Triacontanol
Naphthalene Acetic Acid
Gibberellic Acid
Indole Acetic Acid
Fulvic Acid


My question
How to use these hormones with nutrients ?
Uh, this sounds like too much of a chemistry experiment to me.

I personally think that plants know what to do when they're growing, all you need to do is to support the plant. IMHO

I use AN's B-52 to help increase the nutrient uptake in my plants.

B-52 increases nutrient uptake by providing naturally occurring hormones and vitamins that plants could never get elsewhere.

That along with the rest of my nute regimen (Sensi, Voodoo, Overdrive, Piranha, Final Phase, Bud Candy) seems to work. I don't want to mess too much with chemicals, like hormones, that I just don't get. I think you need to be a chemist to do that. LOL

good luck!
 

Aston1

Member
Uh, this sounds like too much of a chemistry experiment to me.

I personally think that plants know what to do when they're growing, all you need to do is to support the plant. IMHO

I use AN's B-52 to help increase the nutrient uptake in my plants.

B-52 increases nutrient uptake by providing naturally occurring hormones and vitamins that plants could never get elsewhere.

That along with the rest of my nute regimen (Sensi, Voodoo, Overdrive, Piranha, Final Phase, Bud Candy) seems to work. I don't want to mess too much with chemicals, like hormones, that I just don't get. I think you need to be a chemist to do that. LOL

good luck!

Thanks decrimCA

If someone is interested in the topic

https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/159989-hormones-pgr-s-vitimans-research.html

https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/147801-hormones-vs-co2-hormones-cheaper.html

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=196121
 

micack

Member
You got my attention.After checkin this thread out went ebay to price gibberellic acid is about $50 for 25gram.Kinda pricey.Think I'll wait to read or see results first.But I am sold on the idea & research.I'll deffently spread the word about it.
 
Hi


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Nutrients:

Canna Terra Vega & Flores
Canna Rhizotonic
Canna Cannazym
Canna PK13/14
Hesi Super Vit
BIO BIZZ TOP MAX

Bat Guano (NPK 2-15-1)
CO2 Tablets

Hormones:

Benzylaminopurine
Brassinolide
Triacontanol
Naphthalene Acetic Acid
Gibberellic Acid
Indole Acetic Acid
Fulvic Acid


My question
How to use these hormones with nutrients ? [/B]
Hello and sorry it took so long to get back but it has been planting season around here. At this point I can give a few pointers and tips but I will need a bit more info if I am to really help you. Like where are you sourcing these hormones from? Are they in a pre-packaged product like Superthrive or are they concentrates from China (for example)? Especially your IAA, NAA, Gibberellic Acid, and Im curious if you are Sourcing any of them from Canna BOOST? Also are you planing on reusing your soil?
 

kappainf

Well-Known Member
I've always wondered if hormone supplementation or manipulation was beneficial to plants, it certainly works for bodybuilders. Cannaroids?
 
If and I stress IF they are use properly they can be extremely effective. Have you ever seen the pictures of the 300lb tomatoes? Well that's not normal, natural is a debatable matter though. Or for example IBA rooting gels, liquid or powder is a PGR Hormone, and now a days most every one that works with clones uses this hormone, although there are natural/organic options.
 
PGR’s Hormones and Willow Watter

Superthirive: The main synthetic ingredients that effect plant growth are:
NAA [Naphthalene Acetic Acid] (a "plant growth hormone" and an "auxin")
Triacontanol (a plant growth hormone)

Alfalfa: The main ingredient that effects plant growth is:
Triacontanol

Willow: The main ingredients that effect plants growth are:
Salicylic acid (a "plant growth regulator")
Rhizocaline (aka "Willow Rooting Substance" a non-auxin, it is still being studied but it works in unison with auxins to aid root development)

I have searched many scholarly horticulture/botany journals and have yet to find one study which shows that these compounds are anything but helpful when used in rational quantities (say 5-50ppm). Triacontanol, NAA and Salicylic acid are positively indicated during nearly all phases of growth in higher plants of dioecious, monoecious or hermaphroditic sexuality (Fwi: cannabis is a higher plant of dioecious and/or hermaphroditic nature). In fact, a foliar spray of NAA and IBA (1:10000 each) at the onset of flowering (eg. 12/12) and again two weeks later will almost completely prevent expressions of monoecious or hermaphroditic sexuality in many higher plants (including Cannabis L. Sativa [hemp] if I remember correctly, I look up the study).
The only times I've read about an issue with these compounds is when they are over applied...less is more...Heck, triacontanol has been used for generations by rose gardeners to bring about full and robust rose buds...if it's good for when roses are blooming why not for cannabis?

NAA:
Naphthalene Acetic Acid can significantly increase the number, length and dry weight of root hairs, small roots and large roots.

Rhizocaline:
The theory is that auxin alone is insufficient to cause rooting; there must be an additional substance, tentatively called "rhizocaline," which acts with auxin to stimulate root formation. Plants with an abundance of both substances are easy to root with no external hormone applications. Plants which root easily with a commercial auxin preparation must have adequate natural rhizocaline, but they lack adequate auxin. Still other plants, which are difficult to root even with an auxin preparation, must lack natural rhizocaline. It is these plants which would benefit most from a willow water treatment.

Triacontanol:
Triacontanol is a naturally occurring plant hormone that acts as a growth promoter. Triacontanol raises plant yield by improving photosynthesis and cell division.

Chlormequat Chloride:
Chlormeguat activates a dormant trigger that unleashes a cellular division process that is immediately visible. Also provides the key elements required for plant photosynthesis to occur, accelerating initial and continued flower development, to unparalleled levels. Not only are greater yields achieved, but also a quality that out performs the rest of the competition by miles. To increase the berry set and yield.
Paclobutrazol.
For vertical growth control of container grown ornamentals.

Salicylic acid:
Salicylic acid is a plant growth regulator that increases plant bioproductivity. Experiments carried out with ornamental or horticultural plants in greenhouse conditions or in the open have clearly demonstrated that they respond to this compound. Moreover, lower quantities of SA are needed to establish positive responses in the plants. The effect on ornamental plants is expressed as the increase in plant size, the number of flowers, leaf area and the early appearance of flowers. In horticultural species, the effect reported is the increase of yield without affecting the quality of the fruits. It is proposed that the increase in bioproductivity is mainly due to the positive effect of SA on root length and its density.

Salicylic acid (SA) is a phytohormone; and a phenol, ubiquitous in plants generating a significant impact on plant growth and development, photosynthesis, transpiration, ion uptake and transport and also induces specific changes in leaf anatomy and chloroplast structure. SA is recognized as an endogenous signal, mediating in plant defense, against pathogens[1] It plays a role in the resistance of pathogens by inducing the production of 'pathogenesis-related proteins'. It is involved in the systemic acquired resistance [SAR] in which a pathogenic attack on older leaves causes the development of resistance in younger leaves, though whether SA is the transmitted signal is debatable. SA is the calorigenic substance that causes thermogenesis in Arum flowers.

[2] just a warning some of those hormones if used too much will cause your flower sites to multiply too much, so you will end up with many small buds and lots of branches, I have seen it before it is not pretty
I recommend if you are going to use them in flower only use them the first week so that your plants have time to figure out which way is up.

I haven't read where triacontanol (it's a growth stimulant, not an auxin) has caused negative effects when over applied. Though triacontanol does increases the number of basal breaks in roses so it could have the negative effect you describe in cannabis if really over applied I would assume. From my readings, over application of triacontanol has the effect of no effect (in roses). Too much triacontanol generally does not have a negative effect but it doesn't offer positive effects at that level either. By "over application" I am still referring to rational over application levels of triacontanol.
Another discovery: In the January, 2004 issue of The Avant Gardener, a monthly newsletter, editor Thomas Powell notes that gardeners reported all sorts of plants growing remarkably better when given regular doses of tiny amounts of aspirin (1 part to 10,000 parts water; larger doses actually proved toxic),” and that The Agricultural Research Service is investigating the reasons behind aspirin’s beneficial effects.
Plants make salicylic acid to trigger natural defenses against bacteria, fungi, and viruses. Aspirin thus is an activator of ‘Systemic Acquired Resistance’ (SAR). However, plants often don’t produce the acid quickly enough to prevent injury when attacked by a microbe. Spraying aspirin on the plants speeds up the SAR response. Tests have shown this works on many crops, producing better plants using less pesticide. “It also makes it possible to successfully grow many fine heirloom varieties which were discarded because they lacked disease resistance.” Powell says.
Scientists first encountered the SAR phenomenon in the 1930s. After encountering a pathogen, plants use salicylic acid as a key regulator of SAR and expression of defense genes. “Only recently have companies begun marketing salicylic acid and similar compounds as a way to activate SAR in crops—tomato, spinach, lettuce, and tobacco among them,” according to Powell.
“ARS scientists are studying plants’ defenses, such as antimicrobial materials like the protein chitinase which degrades the cell walls of fungi, and nuclease enzymes which break up the ribonucleic acid of viruses. They’re also testing aspirin and other SAR activators which could be effective against non-microbial pests such as aphids and root-knot nematodes,” Powell says. “This may be the most important research of the century. Stimulating SAR defenses with aspirin or other activator compounds could result in increased food production and the elimination of synthetic pesticides.”
He recommends we experiment by spraying some plants with a 1:10,000 solution (3 aspirins dissolved in 4 gallons of water), leaving other plants unsprayed. Tests have shown that the SAR activation lasts for weeks to months. (Sort of homeopathic heart attack prevention for your plants.)
 
Make your own willow water:
Easily root azaleas, lilacs, summersweets (Clethra spp.) and roses by gathering about two cups of pencil-thin willow branches cut to 1-3 inch lengths. Steep twigs in a half-gallon of boiling water overnight. Refrigerated liquid kept in a jar with a tight-fitting lid will remain effective up to two months. (Label jar so you won’t confuse it with your homemade moonshine.) Overnight, soak cuttings you wish to root. Or water soil into which you have planted your cuttings with the willow water. Two applications should be sufficient. Some cuttings root directly in a jar of willow water. Make a fresh batch for each use. You can also use lukewarm water and let twigs soak for 24-48 hours.

Dr. Kawase's advice: "cut current year's growth from any Salix species. Then, remove the leaves and cut into one inch pieces. Place these right side up (Eireann: direction is important since rhizocaline and IAA move polarly down the stem of any cutting) in a glass, add 1/2" of hot water, cover with a plastic bag and let sit 24 hours. Steep your cuttings in this for and additional 24 hours, and then place in the rooting medium with or without rooting hormone, as needed. The willow water may be stored in the refrigerator and covered to prevent contamination, but is best used up within three days."
Additionally Dr. Kawase encourages the use of etoilation in promoting rooting. Total darkness, he found, increased rooting "sharply" up to four days, which is three days faster than anything I ever did with store bought rooting hormone. The basal tips MUST be in darkness for rooting to occur.
 
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