Hot Diggity Sog

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Chapter 12 - Day 50 of 12/12

Plant health is suffering. I no longer think it has much of anything to do with my feeding strategies and I now believe it is PH related. I don't remember if I shared this information or not, but a few months ago I began messing around with building my own PH/EC sensor, among other things. At the time, I used a BlueLab Guardian for PH and EC monitoring. It has served me well over the years but as I was writing code for my sensor, it was dramatically different from the BlueLab. Blue Lab would say 5.9 PH and mine would be 5.35. Figuring my code was bad, I worked on this for a few weeks until ultimately I decided to buy some more PH testing equipment...just to be sure as I had no way to know if BlueLab was actually measuring correct or not. To my surprise, the PH Pen I bought measured exactly what my device was and it seemed BlueLab was way off. Calibrating devices fixed nothing for me. Since then, I've been using both BlueLab and the PH Pen. Sometimes they are the same, sometimes they are close and sometimes they are way off. Like this morning...Pen says 5.98 and Blue Lab says 5.2. When you're trying to be very precise, there is nothing more frustrating than not being able to trust your tools.

Yesterday, I switched from using DIY nutes to bottle nutes. I'm going to finish this grow with bottled nutes and I know exactly how to feed with these because I used them for years. This will remove one variable (my feeding my own salts) and I can hopefully pinpoint the PH situation.

If anyone can look at these pictures and provide insight, I'm all ears. It is curious how many of the plants show no, or very little, signs yet some are pretty sick.

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colocowboy

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I would lean toward those particular plants responding to the ph as a lockout/quick uptake, followed by burn. Based on what you delineated, I have had similar conditions. When it happened to me I was running hydro at the time running some Mexican landrace in the mix, those plants all did that. At the time I switched to a Hanna instrument for testing as I was keen on precision too. You have to running hydro because it can be like riding a skateboard on rollerskates, small deviations can cause cascading effects really fast.
 

Houstini

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Chapter 12 - Day 18 of 12/12

I made a pretty major discovery over the last 10 days. It turns out my expensive Blue Lab PH and EC equipment are inaccurate. I started working on a new project - IoT devices for grow room management. Stuff like temp and humidity sensors. PH and EC water management. During development of the PH sensor, I thought my code was faulty. My measurements were coming in at 5.3 to 5.4 when BlueLab was saying 5.8. I ended up buying some additional PH monitor equipment just so I had more references I could refer to. Turns out my code was spot on and it was BlueLab that was wrong. This completely explains the troubles I've been having over the last year. I've been watering with acidic water this whole time and it was not necessarily anything I was doing wrong with my feeding.

I've been watering with correctly PH'd water now for about 10 days - fingers crossed. We are starting to see some minor signs of issues and I have a few plants that are droopy and just look generally unhappy. If anyone has any suggestions, I'm all ears.

Most recent rez mixed yesterday:

Elemental PPM (500 Scale)
N - 80
NH4+ - 8.9
P - 30
K - 80
Mg - 40
Ca - 90
S - 61

Observed/Actual PPM
680 PPM (700 Scale)
485 PPM (500 Scale)
EC: 0.97

This rez is weaker than the previous one. I think the last week's worth of watering was too hot. It was around 1.08 EC. I dropped everything across the board a little.

The girls are finally generating plenty of humidity on their own and room conditions are pretty good.

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Nizza

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Chapter 12 - Day 50 of 12/12

Plant health is suffering. I no longer think it has much of anything to do with my feeding strategies and I now believe it is PH related. I don't remember if I shared this information or not, but a few months ago I began messing around with building my own PH/EC sensor, among other things. At the time, I used a BlueLab Guardian for PH and EC monitoring. It has served me well over the years but as I was writing code for my sensor, it was dramatically different from the BlueLab. Blue Lab would say 5.9 PH and mine would be 5.35. Figuring my code was bad, I worked on this for a few weeks until ultimately I decided to buy some more PH testing equipment...just to be sure as I had no way to know if BlueLab was actually measuring correct or not. To my surprise, the PH Pen I bought measured exactly what my device was and it seemed BlueLab was way off. Calibrating devices fixed nothing for me. Since then, I've been using both BlueLab and the PH Pen. Sometimes they are the same, sometimes they are close and sometimes they are way off. Like this morning...Pen says 5.98 and Blue Lab says 5.2. When you're trying to be very precise, there is nothing more frustrating than not being able to trust your tools.

Yesterday, I switched from using DIY nutes to bottle nutes. I'm going to finish this grow with bottled nutes and I know exactly how to feed with these because I used them for years. This will remove one variable (my feeding my own salts) and I can hopefully pinpoint the PH situation.

If anyone can look at these pictures and provide insight, I'm all ears. It is curious how many of the plants show no, or very little, signs yet some are pretty sick.

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I recently had an issue with a cheap submersible pump where it would throw my meter all over the place, even when the pump was turned off. I wonder if you potentially have voltage leaking into ur res and it is throwing off your meters? Try unplugging anything that is in the water and see if it makes a change in the readings~ I don't think it would hurt anything to try.

Love the SOGS man, its been so long since i've done one, and this journal is refreshing. Thanks a lot for sharing your work! !
 

Hot Diggity Sog

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Well...it's been quite some time since I've posted any updates. I have been busy...just not journaling. I'm very focused on my breeding project.
The round of F2 completed in October. Of 16 plants, 4 were chosen to move onto the next round.
Here are the 4...pictures taken about 10 days before harvest:

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These were chosen primarily based on reviews.
#4 and #8 were incredibly purple. I don't think the pictures quite does that justice.
I ended up choosing #4 as the plant I would turn male. I ran a follow-up seed crop using #4 pollen to hit the other 3.

The Round of F3 has officially begun. I'm focusing on #8 x #4 but I also have a couple of the others.
They're still babies but I should be flipping to 12/12 in about 10 days.
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Hot Diggity Sog

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F3 Round - Day 48 of 12/12

I began dabbling with DIY nutes again recently. Some of the girls have a little wear and tear on them as I try to dial things in. It's tough to lower Nitrogen but keep Calcium elevated and these plants I've been breeding have really high Calcium requirements. All in all things are going pretty well. These F3's have much less variation than the F2 round.

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