The best yield and quality for me was on my first complete grow (had some experience with other plants) running coco-perlite 50-50 and just canna A+B with HG root stimulator 1 (not the 5Xpriced exceculator) and no flowering boosters or enzymes, a cheapo chinese yellow rubish PH meter that measured way off no ppm meter, and foliar fed with a cheap generic 2 bucks peri bottle fertiliser when leaves were not 100% dark green. Only problem was a slight mg deficiency at fool bloom. Plants and yield was at at same levels as very experienced growers running full nutrient lines with precicion meters. So indeed most additives have same ingrediates as base nutes at different ratio finetuning the total nutes at every stage of growth needs, nothing more than that.
House and garden coco A+B different in europe, grow and bloom variations
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It's even worse with some. What you describe are like the mono nutrients line from http://www.canna-uk.com/mononutrients. Many bs boosters and additives and stimulators etc contain just little of those essential elements already present in the base nutes, but contain a lot of unnecessary crap on top of it.
Did you have dark green leaves at the time? The only deficiency I had with just AB is Mg def caused seemingly by too high N.
Google coincidentally throws up another Canna resource... I definitely prefer H&G...
http://www.canna-uk.com/interactions_between_nutrients
When in the form of ammonium, NH4+, nitrogen interacts negatively with the plant's uptake of calcium, magnesium and potassium, particularly when the NO3- (nitrate)/NH4+ (ammonium) ratio is low. As a result, excess NH4+ can lead to a deficiency in any of these three elements.
Actually, I didn't know that was only the case for NH4 and not NO3... makes sense...
I ve been trying to find a website of HG for the european market, any country really but its imposibble and their NL website is down. Its a brand that probably has products in every grow shop of the planet, but at least three of their products come with no feed schedule and no website to see info, since they dont exist in the usa , canada and australian websites of HG, i find it pretty strange.
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We just have a new law for a month now in NL, simply called the growshop law but it's an addendum to our drug laws that essentially makes facilitating cannabis grows illegal. If you can sensibly know it's going to be used for cannabis grows it's punishable with up to 3 years in prison. 55 (of the hundreds in total) growshops have been raided in the past month already, many closed before that. Companies such as H&G and Gavita stopped distributing in the Netherlands itself, at least to consumers or growshops. The larger companies are just waiting for the first cases to be judged in court. Which is going to take months.
That said, the nl site never contained a lot of good info like for example the US site did (had a downright great articles for hydro growers). H&G is also used for 'house and garden' plants and they're products aimed at cannabis growers were in a 'corporate' section.
http://www.house-garden.nl/corporate/pdf/AB_2.pdf (Url is dead...)
Some growshops used to have feeding charts on their website too, but like I said, most closed or are now regular gardening centre with a reduced variety of products.
What products do you need info on? I may be able to find some dutch charts on dutch sites or even cached in google.
I used the US calculator a lot:
http://www.house-garden.us/nutrient-calculator
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Backlink to the Official H&G thread at RIU. Tons of info there:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-official-house-and-garden-thread.194632/
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-official-house-and-garden-thread.194632/
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I heard getting grow gear is next to impossible now in Holland?!, what happened to that laid back approach you had over their?! I went to Amsterdam in 1993 and was a great experience, sounds like that is long gone
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Not impossible but a lot harder especially for the smaller grower, or less convenient. I used to have a handful of growshops in my neighborhood (as a matter of speaking) where I could walk in and buy/order anything. Now I have to order carbon filters, hps, exhaust separately for example. Or order from .uk/.be sites. I never liked ordering online giving my name and address, but, now I would be giving my name and address to a shop that may be raided the next day...I heard getting grow gear is next to impossible now in Holland?!, what happened to that laid back approach you had over their?! I went to Amsterdam in 1993 and was a great experience, sounds like that is long gone
Royal Queen Seeds (not one I'd recommend anyway) and a few others no longer supply seeds (at least to dutch) either.
The Amsterdam experience for a new tourist, besides that many shops have been closed, hasn't changed a whole lot, yet. Things will get worse though. It's too backward to explain but I posted some info in my journal on page 19 and up. That "laid back approach" is definitely gone. Amsterdam has always been a special case though, it's where it started and somewhat of a stronghold. The party that won the local elections (city council) is the main pro-regulation party nationally as well. Growshops in Amsterdam announced they'd stay open regardless of the new law, growshops in Rotterdam for example all closed the day the new law went into effect, growshops in the province Noord Brabant in the south (where a lot of mj is grown) got raided the first weekday the law went into effect. It differs a lot per area.
That "laid back approach" is also all it was. I recently had a discussion, if you can call it that, about that with a mod at icmag. He claimed I didn't realize how good we have it... lol... I can legally grow 5 plants without artificial light, meters etc, and can legally have a maximum of 5gram (no typo, no missing zeros) in my house. Coffeeshops are allowed to sell 5 gr per person, but are not allowed to buy from suppliers or grow themselves. They are allowed to have 500gr in the shop, which for many is just a portion of what they daily sell. That laid back approach led to a billion euro industry, unregulated... as much as I'm pro-legalization, it's a mess and most sensible folks here agree the dutch policy failed. There's a rather larger majority amongst the public and politicians to legalize but not amongst enough matching political parties that could form a coalition. That last part is really a major obstacle.
There's some good news too though, judges often side with coffeeshop owners and growers. A mayor can retract a permit for a coffeeshop based on how the owner lives his/her life. If that sounds nuts it's cause it is. Two shops recently got closed because they had many many kilos of mj stored above the shop. Judge ruled against mayor, coffeeshop have to remain open. That's the best example, but happens more often and it's not even unlikely that the judge will rule in favor of the growshops that got closed. So we're all waiting for those first cases to be handled by a judge. Most judges really don't like the work that is 'created' by the new war on cannabis.
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I exchanged some emails with the HG US department since it was the only one i could find contact info. Basically they could not point me towards a site or someone with a feeding schedule for their coco A/B grow version. Also they said that their normal coco A/B is same worldwide but has different labels, so it raises the question: which is the correct NPK ration since labels vary a lot from country to country. Also for the HG product named root stimulator1 they had no idea what it does or whether is similar to the exceculator and how it should be used..... Also they are in the process of moving production from Holland to USA. I used to like that company but after all the uselessness of their support if i was doing soil i would probably use fertilizer for cotton, same recipe as cannabis fertilizers and it only costs 20 bucks for a 20kg sack of powder that would last a lifetime.
Real NPK for House and Garden Cocos A - 4-0-3.3 Cocos B - 1.6-3.4-6
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What is the best cocos voeding in NL now sativied??
Would you recommend soil or coco for me with which voeding line?!
Was just going to order
H&G cocos A&b
Roots excel
Multizym
Where did you get this ratio from