How do you use your Nitrozyme?

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grow_daddy

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Hey, all. Long time lurker, first time poster! I’m looking to start refining my nutrient program and I’m hoping I can get some input from the veterans.

Has anyone tried Nitrozyme on their plants? I've heard very good things from around the web (like this stuff is basically magic) as it apparently makes plants thrive in every stage of growth, and it especially helps maintain healthy hormone levels that create the conditions needed for any plant to really take off. Like you can spray this stuff as a foliar feed at ANY stage of growth and it will support the plant’s currently ongoing processes and it will just go crazy.

Apparently Sea Crop 16 is the same thing and made by the same company but with an agricultural EPA label, which means the contents and claimed effects are verified, and is about half the price.

I'm not seeing anything with a higher natural cytokinin concentration. I've read that people use Bonide Tomato spray for cytokinin but crunching the numbers (correct me if I'm wrong), at 400ppm Sea Crop is literally 500x more concentrated. Not only that, it’s completely organic and contains a bunch of other naturally occurring micronutrients that support movement of the nutrients and hormones through the plant and overall plant health.

This is the only place I'm seeing to buy the stuff so far: http://www.biobasics.biz/products/sea-crop-16. I really want to get going with this product so if anyone has any experience with either Nitrozyme or Sea Crop 16, I’d love to hear about how or when you are using it.

Thanks! :cool:
 
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budman111 said:
It has absolutely no world value and electrolytes is a con.
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OK, uh... Do you have anything to support this claim? I have been researching this extract thoroughly and have found numerous university backed studies attesting to it's efficacy as well as countless, glowing anecdotal reviews.

I mean no disrespect, I just can't tell if I'm being trolled or not.
 
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941mick said:
So your saying kelp doesn't do anything?

I believe in kelp and applying both in waterings and as a spray.

However I think nitrozyme is very overpriced for having to use so much.
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What about the Sea Crop 16 that I linked in the OP? It looks to be the exact same product but for half the price. It's even made by the same people using the same extraction method to the same concentration.
 
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budman111

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941mick said:
So your saying kelp doesn't do anything?
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I did not say it does not do anything, I said "It has no real world value", the 16 nutrient elements in the base nutrient it is more than the plant needs, this is just to make the hydro store customer part with cash.
 
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budman111

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grow_daddy said:
OK, uh... Do you have anything to support this claim? I have been researching this extract thoroughly and have found numerous university backed studies attesting to it's efficacy as well as countless, glowing anecdotal reviews.

I mean no disrespect, I just can't tell if I'm being trolled or not.
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Herere is a link by Linda Chalker-Scott, Ph.D., Extension Horticulturist and Associate Professor,
Puyallup Research and Extension Center, Washington State University:

http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda Chalker-Scott/Horticultural Myths_files/Myths/Seaweed extracts.pdf


The Myth of Curative Kelp:

"Seaweed extracts reduce disease, improve produc
tion, and increase stress resistance in landscape
plants"

The Myth
Seaweeds are ancient relatives of terrestrial plants a
nd play a similar ecological role in coastal systems.
Kelps, the larger seaweeds species, are also of hist
orical dietary and medicinal importance to various
human cultures. Their extracts have extensive industr
ial applications, and more recently their activity as
antioxidants and antibiotics has been
investigated. It is clear that human consumption of some seaweeds
imparts health benefits; can seaweeds also benefit plant health?
Vendors of natural garden products certainly want yo
u to think so. Web sites and sales literature praise
the effectiveness of seaweed extracts as soil cond
itioners, disease suppressants, and stress reducers.
Research (rarely verifiable) is presented to support
the use of seaweed drenches or sprays on turf, fruits
and vegetables, flowers, perennials, shrubs and trees
in every possible situation. Are seaweed extracts
that elusive magic bullet for creating perfect landscapes?
The Reality
Seaweed extracts (SE) have been dubbed “biostimulant
s” or “metabolic enhancers”, defined as chemicals
with growth-enhancing properties but little nutrient valu
e. Growth enhancement has been attributed to
the presence of plant growth regulators (sometimes ca
lled plant hormones), and several of these growth
regulators have been isolated from seaweed extracts,
including cytokinins, auxins
, and gibberellins. This
is not surprising, as seaweeds are part of the plant
kingdom and like other plants manufacture their own
growth regulators. More important is the question
of whether these substances applied to other plant
materials might have similar regulatory effects.
 
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grow_daddy

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budman111 said:
Herere is a link by Linda Chalker-Scott, Ph.D., Extension Horticulturist and Associate Professor,
Puyallup Research and Extension Center, Washington State University:

http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda Chalker-Scott/Horticultural Myths_files/Myths/Seaweed extracts.pdf
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OK, cool. I read this report earlier today and she specifically mentions that there were increases in yields among multiple species of plant. Further, Nitrozyme/Sea Crop 16 is to be used as a hormonal supplement throughout the plant's progression through it's developmental stages. When did she apply the foliar solution in this study? Because unless I missed it, she neglects to mention the application protocols.

Here's a study conducted by the several professors and the Canadian Dept. of Agriculture showing some very impressive gains in yield using a cytokinin supplement:

https://pdf.yt/d/_xRdGel9CV8NgACj
 
budman111

budman111

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grow_daddy said:
OK, cool. I read this report earlier today and she specifically mentions that there were increases in yields among multiple species of plant. Further, Nitrozyme/Sea Crop 16 is to be used as a hormonal supplement throughout the plant's progression through it's developmental stages. When did she apply the foliar solution in this study? Because unless I missed it, she neglects to mention the application protocols.

Here's a study conducted by the several professors and the Canadian Dept. of Agriculture showing some very impressive gains in yield using a cytokinin supplement:

https://pdf.yt/d/_xRdGel9CV8NgACj
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One sentence from that link you gave really says it all I need to know to avoid this study like the plague:

"5 days earlier flowering "
 
budman111

budman111

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grow_daddy said:
What I linked is actually a summary of independent studies but I can see I'm wasting my breath here, or fingers, or whatever!
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Ok, you believe what you want to believe. Enjoy your electrolytes. ;) OBEM, "independent studies" LOL that study is all over the manufacturer of Nytrozyme webpage, wake the fuck up.

"5 days earlier flowering " ring any bells?! jeeeez.
 
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grow_daddy

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budman111 said:
Ok, you believe what you want to believe. Enjoy your electrolytes. ;) OBEM, "independent studies" LOL that study is all over the manufacturer of Nytrozyme webpage, wake the fuck up.

"5 days earlier flowering " ring any bells?! jeeeez.
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:roll:

I came here looking for an intelligent discussion regarding the efficacy of a new, potentially great product, not emotionally fueled vomit from someone whose mind was made up before the thread even started. This is the internet though so I can't say I'm particularly surprised.

There is plenty of research out there that you could find with a few keystrokes punched into your favorite search engine, but we both know that isn't going to happen.
 
kmog33

kmog33

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Turkey baster...insert in anus.





Jk i dont use this crap.

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grow_daddy

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budman111 said:
Off course he is saying that, he is selling HIS product!
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OK, just so we're clear. You saying that this renowned plant biologist with 30 years experience in the industry is misrepresenting a ten year study done by Virginia Tech attesting to the efficacy of supplementary hormones and micronutrients from sea kelp delivered via foliar spray? You're saying that he is staking the entirety of his reputation in this industry, which has been forged over the course of a 30 year career of rigorous laboratory testing and analysis, so that he can sell $20 bags of snake oil?

Did I get that right?
 
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grow_daddy

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budman111 said:
It

Wrong.

http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda Chalker-Scott/Horticultural Myths_files/Myths/Seaweed extracts.pdf
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OK yeah you've established that this is going to be your fallback study several times. Putting aside that the study does not include ANY specific information about application rates or timing, Chalker-Scott specifically mentions that there were indeed gains to yield in a variety of crops. You would know this if you could manage to read past the title.

Further, it could be claimed that she holds a clear bias when statements like "The marketing of such products as “earth friendly” in this context should be
repugnant to environmentally conscious consumers," are peppered throughout the paper.

Anyway, it's clear that your mind is made up and will probably remain unchanged in spite of any existing or future evidence presented.

In summary, :roll:.
 
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