How hot is too hot

upsetter. · Apr 13, 2017

Wondering how best to check temperature of cobs? Mine are running on passive sinks. I have an infrared thermometer, but heard you can't get good readings from bare aluminum. How about anodized pin sinks... where do I check and what is the danger zone? Running citis if it matters. Just finished the build and would like to avoid melting cobs if I made any mistakes along the way.

sanjuan · Apr 13, 2017

I'm sure it's not recommended but I scan the COB from a couple inches away and grab the max reading. I installed a thermocouple on one luminaire and results were similar.

I want things below 85C; I'm running CBX3590's.

CobKits · Apr 13, 2017

measure voltage at startup and steady state

less than 3% voltage drop = no sweat
3-5% voltage drop = check your datasheet or manufacturer-provided product simulator

in general if you can put your hand on the heatsink no worries

upsetter. · Apr 13, 2017

CobKits said:
measure voltage at startup and steady state

less than 3% voltage drop = no sweat
3-5% voltage drop = check your datasheet or manufacturer-provided product simulator

in general if you can put your hand on the heatsink no worries

Awesome. I was worried about messing up thermal paste and having poor transfer. Ill checl em out tonight. Thanks!

CobKits · Apr 13, 2017

upsetter. said:
I was worried about messing up thermal paste and having poor transfer.

voltage drop will tell you a lot about that

stable, slowly dropping voltage as heatsink heats up = woohoo!
unstable voltage that drops quickly = ruhroh

Abiqua · Apr 13, 2017

althiugh i seem to get blow back for teaching people how to monitor actual temps instead of guessing.......

this is still damn good :peace:

http://www.mechatronix-asia.com/LED_heat_sink_calculation_simulation_thermal_design.html

Abiqua · Apr 13, 2017

A little context helps too...for instance, i personally would never run a 80C Tc but that is perfectly acceptable from the manufacturer.

imho 50c is too high as well, but more an enough compromise off the manufactures max Tc rating.....

sanjuan · Apr 13, 2017

I use the pain test. I grab the heatsink with my uncalloused fingers. If it hurts before a second has elapsed, things are too hot. (Of course, if the COB is incorrectly seated the heat will not be transferred to the sink.)

Abiqua · Apr 13, 2017

If you can make s'mores( thats melted chocolate y'all) under them...they are too damn hott

Organic Miner · Apr 13, 2017

Abiqua said:
althiugh i seem to get blow back for teaching people how to monitor actual temps instead of guessing.......

this is still damn good
http://www.mechatronix-asia.com/LED_heat_sink_calculation_simulation_thermal_design.html

I don't know what's wrong with this approach. No blow back here. I used similar information/calc from a different web page. Nothing wrong with doing the math up front. Take the guesswork out of it.

CobKits · Apr 13, 2017

sanjuan said:
I use the pain test. I grab the heatsink with my uncalloused fingers. If it hurts before a second has elapsed, things are too hot. (Of course, if the COB is incorrectly seated the heat will not be transferred to the sink.)

for efficiency snobs the "nuts test" is also pretty accurate

upsetter. · Apr 13, 2017

CobKits said:
voltage drop will tell you a lot about that

stable, slowly dropping voltage as heatsink heats up = woohoo!
unstable voltage that drops quickly = ruhroh

woohoo!

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