How much does genetics really matter for seeds? How much of it is a scam?

Sativied

Sativied

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Tolerance Break said:
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Someone should cross that with Whipcream x Cherry on Top. :weed:

HandyGringo said:
which strains are real and which aren't?
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Virus and bacteria strains are real.

The seed market is messy, unregulated, and immature (like using the word strain rather than cultivar and varieties), and there's a lot of bullshitting and overhyping, but overall I would not say a massive scam. Some of the prices some charge make it a scam perhaps, every industry has actual scammers, but overall you get what you pay for: seeds, not clones but relatives of one or more plant, some more closely related and alike than others.

HandyGringo said:
Like cannabis nutrients being super expensive for no reason.
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A widely well-known public secret. So yeah, that one, definitely complete scam.
 
Heinzel Bronson

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Sativied said:
The seed market is messy, unregulated, and immature (like using the word strain rather than cultivar and varieties), and there's a lot of bullshitting and overhyping, but overall I would not say a massive scam. Some of the prices some charge make it a scam perhaps, every industry has actual scammers, but overall you get what you pay for: seeds, not clones but relatives of one or more plant, some more closely related and alike than others.
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iam new 2 growing but think when you buy seeds at sensi seeds, barneys farm, dutch passion , royal queen seeds, seedsman they will not have virus and bacteria or bullshitting about the seeds LMAO (some genetiks are from 1980 in these seedbanks and they invented feminized and good genetiks seeds first in the world in holland some of the banks exist since 1970)... :wall: maybe in america seedbanks they had virus etc

my fertilizer biobizz try pack, bio grow ,bio bloom, topmax cost 15 euro i think thats 18 dollar....what should we use bananna shell fertilizer???
 
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conor c

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Genetics is very important however price and quality with cannabis rarely corresponds you can find good and bad in cheap or expensive seeds also your right even what we call a ibl vs an actual ibl with other plants is two very different things nothing we have breeds true for more than a few traits with other plants it will breed true for many more traits vs cannabis
 
Heinzel Bronson

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look at this Skunk #1 Feminisierte Hanfsamen White Label-Sensi Seeds 10 seed 41 euro these genetiks are very old and beginner friendly fast growing.

or this Feminisierte Cannabissamen von Special Queen 1 kaufen Cannabissamen - Royal Queen Seeds 10 seeds 30 euro old genetik beginner friendly

or this Orange Bud® Feminisierte Samen Kaufen | Dutch Passion (dutch-passion.com) is the original orange bud strain 10 seeds 75 euro

i think you just know gelato, cheese bla bla 2 much...not the good old genetiks big bud, orange bud, critical, bluberry, white widow, skunk
 
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conor c

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Heinzel Bronson said:
look at this Skunk #1 Feminisierte Hanfsamen White Label-Sensi Seeds 10 seed 41 euro these genetiks are very old and beginner friendly fast growing.

or this Feminisierte Cannabissamen von Special Queen 1 kaufen Cannabissamen - Royal Queen Seeds 10 seeds 30 euro old genetik beginner friendly
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Or kc brains or seed stockers or spliff seeds derg corra collective realgorillaseeds kwikseeds or a bunch of folks that may be lesser known not everyone is looking to charge you a arm and a leg for a packet of seeds
 
Heinzel Bronson

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conor c said:
Or kc brains or seed stockers or spliff seeds derg corra collective realgorillaseeds kwikseeds or a bunch of folks that may be lesser known not everyone is looking to charge you a arm and a leg for a packet of seeds
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SorteOriginalzüchter /First ReleaseAlternativeErhältlich bei
AmnesiaHyPro SeedsPureRegularSeeds (F2)Cannapot
Bruce BannerDark Horse Gentetics
C99, CinderellaMr.Soul(Brothers Grimm, Achtung Neue Version)Female, ApeO, etc.
Jack HererSensi Seeds als regularsBreeder* + die üblichen Verdächtigen
Granddaddy PurpleKen Estes (Grand Daddy Purp Genetics)Cannapot
GelatoCookie Fam Genetics mit Beteiligung von Sherbinsky, nie in Saatgutform releasedSeed Junky Genetics
Hindu KushInzucht einer Landsorte aus der Grenzregion Pakistan/Afghanistan von Sensi Seeds als regulars
K2Homegrown Fantaseeds (White Widow x Hindu Kush) als regularsNirvana Seeds
Master KushDutch Passion (Nur noch als fem .)ggf. White Label
Northern Lights #5The Seed Bank (Neville) als regulars, heute Sensi Seeds, aber Saatgut hat sich verändert
Power PlantDutch Passion
Orange BudDutch Passion als regularsBreeder + die üblichen Verdächtigen
Skunk #1Züchter: Sam the Skunkman; Samenbank: Sacred Seeds/ Cultivator's ChoiceSensi Seeds, Dutch Passion, Khalifa Genetics (Aladdin's Skunk)
Wedding Cake ( Phäno der Triangle Mints #23 )Seed Junky Genetics als Triangle Mints #23 als regulars
White WidowSehr wahrscheinlich Shantibaba & Neville (Mr.Nice, damals Greenhouse), Ingemar (DeSjamaan) nimmt es auch für sich in Anspruch, aber eher unglaubwürdigBlack Widow von Mr. Nice
 
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conor c

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Heinzel Bronson said:
i not understand what you mean my eng is little bad....but i know the real white whidow comes from shantibabba sensi seeds and dutch passio9n are the original seeds, the real skunk comes from sam the skunkman now at sensi seeds....blueberry from dj short and the dp blueberry is the original, and much other genetiks are from the seedbanks in holland and from a few people !
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They arent the same now though most have lost the original parents cos busts so they are not the original anymore except a few exceptions
 
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Heinzel Bronson said:
i not understand what you mean my eng is little bad....but i know the real white whidow comes from shantibabba sensi seeds and dutch passio9n are the original seeds, the real skunk comes from sam the skunkman now at sensi seeds....blueberry from dj short and the dp blueberry is the original, and much other genetiks are from the seedbanks in holland and from a few people !
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That was some other breeders i named who aint so expensive but are decent in my experience
 
DanKiller

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I tend to think that their old mother stock was found in landrace sourced seeds, maybe not the first ones, but subsequential crosses of special phenos found around the world...
Maybe that's why they cant or unable to repeat their success...
Who wants to do the work of finding special plants again in high populations.. it can take years, and then stabilizing those strains again so they can perform in seed form...
There's so much to being a top breeder and seed maker in order to get a quality product out there
Most of the old school brands from Europe are just relying on their rep and name...
I can agree it's still in theory because anything is possible, but I've grown a lot of seeds from Europe in the years they were all fire...
And now it's a miss or miss.
 
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conor c

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Heinzel Bronson said:
look the list there stand who had invited the real genetiks is from german forum !
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Ok and they wont be the same now unless there made with the right parents you must understand selection is everything with cannabis if you lose the parents you lose the strain and not everyone tells the truth my friend its about money remember to many not everyone is in this game for the love and passion of the plant
 
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conor c

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DanKiller said:
I tend to think that their old mother stock was found in landrace sourced seeds, maybe not the first ones, but subsequential crosses of special phenos found around the world...
Maybe that's why they cant or unable to repeat their success...
Who wants to do the work of finding special plants again in high populations.. it can take years, and then stabilizing those strains again so they can perform in seed form...
There's so much to being a top breeder and seed maker in order to get a quality product out there
Most of the old school brands from Europe are just relying on their rep and name...
I can agree it's still in theory because anything is possible, but I've grown a lot of seeds from Europe in the years they were all fire...
And now it's a miss or miss.
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True kinda but landraces for the most part are available to everyone now more than ever before without hopping on a plane to go collect em in person it just takes so much time and effort and not everyone wants to
 
Heinzel Bronson

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conor c said:
Ok and they wont be the same now unless there made with the right parents you must understand selection is everything with cannabis if you lose the parents you lose the strain and not everyone tells the truth my friend its about money remember to many not everyone is in this game for the love and passion of the plant
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ähm the had ever a new klon from the original maybe 20 or 30 years old mother plant, and do from the klon a new mother! (also on these level they grow in holland u will never lose the genetik), from each strain i think ! whit the list i just want to show you who had the real maybe skunk genetik...back to the
Buy Special Queen 1 Feminized Cannabis Cannabis Seeds - Royal Queen Seeds USA these plant is
Special Queen 1 Cannabis Seeds: The Offspring of Power Bud and Skunk
In the '90s there was a mad dash from seed breeders and sellers to find that ultimate skunk. During this period, lots of growers tried to replicate that Mexican, Colombian, Afghan hybrid which resulted in a huge variety of new generation skunks. The genetic features of these cannabis plants would eventually lay the foundation for almost every marijuana plant in Europe.

and the real skunk is from sam the skunkman , power bud from ? they cross it and have special queen 1 but the real skunk( genetik) is from sensi seeds and dutch passion becoose sam work for them... ok u understand that ???
 
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Rsawr

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Let's keep it civil folks. Strain lineage is a murky topic, no need to get heated while sharing your opinions and experiences.
 
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conor c

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Heinzel Bronson said:
ähm the had ever a new klon from the original maybe 20 or 30 years old mother plant, and do from the klon a new mother! (also on these level they grow in holland u will never lose the genetik), from each strain i think ! whit the list i just want to show you who had the real maybe skunk genetik...back to the
Buy Special Queen 1 Feminized Cannabis Cannabis Seeds - Royal Queen Seeds USA these plant is
Special Queen 1 Cannabis Seeds: The Offspring of Power Bud and Skunk
In the '90s there was a mad dash from seed breeders and sellers to find that ultimate skunk. During this period, lots of growers tried to replicate that Mexican, Colombian, Afghan hybrid which resulted in a huge variety of new generation skunks. The genetic features of these cannabis plants would eventually lay the foundation for almost every marijuana plant in Europe.

and the real skunk is from sam the skunkman , power bud from ? they cross it and have special queen 1 but the real skunk( genetik) is from sensi seeds and dutch passion becoose sam work for them... ok u understand that ???
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Ok your welcome to your opinion bud i was only trying to save you time and disapointment ive grew most of what we talking about including old skunk1 widow and blueberry and most folks these days dont put stuff out that resembles the old ones ime and i have tried alot from many different people including most you mention
 
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conor c

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Heinzel Bronson said:
idk what murky one indeed mean...but i just want to help!
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It means its not easy or clear to see who has what still to this day because cannabis is worth money and sadly some folk will bend the truth about what they still have and what they lost be it by accident or because the police busted them or whatever take ak47 and simon of serious seeds he will admit his current one isnt the same as the old one because they lost parents cos they got busted sensi and dutch passion have lost alot of there parental stock over the years too just some are less open about it than others
 
Heinzel Bronson

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conor c said:
It means its not easy or clear to see who has what still to this day because cannabis is worth money and sadly some folk will bend the truth about what they still have and what they lost be it by accident or because the police busted them or whatever take ak47 and simon of serious seeds he will admit his current one isnt the same as the old one because they lost parents cos they got busted sensi and dutch passion have lost alot of there parental stock over the years too just some are less open about it than others
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ok thx
 
amneziaHaze

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HandyGringo said:
Had no idea how to phrase this question, so I hope I can make my question make a little more sense here.

Cannabis seeds aren't true to their parent plant, right? The only way to get a plant true to the parent is by cloning. Yes?

I watched this video of a guy going through all the seed companies selling fake "Bruce Banner" seeds

Which leads to me to the question, which strains are real and which aren't? How much difference does strain make, if they're not true to their seeds? If I'm just being sold some nonsense with a made-up name, does it even matter which seeds I buy?

Would appreciate it if someone could explain it or perhaps link to a guide or thread about this. I feel like the more I learn about the cannabis industry, the more it just seems like a massive scam. Like cannabis nutrients being super expensive for no reason.
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you dont beleve in genetics?
or you dont understand that a bruce banner can be anything that has the same name parents?
if you are interested in genetics there is somewhere on my wall the guy that did a test with 4000 seeds great show of hybrids and genetic differences....

as for the "fake" its just not the first one that was highly advertised at the beggining
 
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