How much is too much light?

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Penetrating power? Explain this. If light hits a leaf, it does not pass through. The law of inverse squares mathematically explains why we get lesser light readings as we get farther from a single point of light emission. That said, typically LED has multiple points of emission and this provides more angles of penetration and generally better penetration as this gets around blockage.

The sun is so powerful and so far away, it doesn't matter if we hold a light meter down by the ground or up by our head, the photons have traveled millions of miles, a few feet isn't making much difference even with atmosphere.
hen explain why with a 1000watt hps I’ll get firm buds 16-20” down from the canopy and with the same strain with my cobs I had nothing but fluff below 12”. This is why I went to a scrog grow with LEDs.

Got tired of the hydro and noise of the AC with the 1000watt.
 
I am wondering how much light is too much light.

I have a 3x3 tent set up. I have a custom built air cooled 500watt Cob I built using vero29s from timber grow lights. I have a few years of running this set up and i can run it dialed right in. I grow in 5gal hempys with 100% perlite. Using a SCROG. I can pull 12-16oz depending on a few things.

My existing set up gives me a 55w/sqft print. It works good but still at the base of the screen I get some larff fluff.

Now I have two mor light set ups from a different endeavour that are not being used. They are 240watts COB Citizen 1212s. They are configured 4 in a row and fit snug beside my air cooled vero29 hood.

If I run both the Citizen1212 bars I will be looking at a 108w/sqft.

I’m hoping to get a little more light penitration down to the screen. To develop the little bit of fluff I get.

Is this going to be more light then the plant can use? Is CO2 going to be the answer?

I don’t want to waste hydro if I’m not going to see the return. I am proud of how efficient my set up operates for its production. And not needing a A/C to keep temps in check.

Thanks for any input.
108w/sqft is way too much assuming you are hanging the 18" above canopy. You can use a lux meter to measure your lights and then use a ppfd conversion chart. It may not be accurate, but tis close enough. With LEDs I've found 45w/sqft to be the sweet spot. At 108w/sqft you will stress the plants. You will at the very least be looking at light bleaching, cat tailing, and getting hermies. While you may get less larf at the bottom, the top buds that most matter will get completely fucked.
 
108w/sqft is way too much assuming you are hanging the 18" above canopy. You can use a lux meter to measure your lights and then use a ppfd conversion chart. It may not be accurate, but tis close enough. With LEDs I've found 45w/sqft to be the sweet spot. At 108w/sqft you will stress the plants. You will at the very least be looking at light bleaching, cat tailing, and getting hermies. While you may get less larf at the bottom, the top buds that most matter will get completely fucked.
I have had some minor cat tailing on the tallest colas in the past.

Guess the remedy for that is get the canopy even flatter?
 
How did you determine how much is too much? I don’t get any bleaching in my leaves until about 8-10”
A healthy plant stretches most of its top & middle leaves upwards, even before lights-on. Once its fully saturated in photosynthates or overloaded with light then it'll display some of the known symptomes such as heat stress (excessive light transforms to heat via "non-photochemical quenching") or leaves just hang around/ down... Over time, these leaves then display other symptomse such as excessive discoloration - and hitherto become dysfunctional.

Leaves cannot do photosynthesis forever, chloroplasts differenciate themselves to become gerontoplasts (=old chloroplasts, which do not much...) and the more you overload these leaves the swifter this change happens.
So from this point of view, it's good to selectively prune older fanleaves and expose budsites and sugarleaves to DIRECT light. Esp. from the point onward when the stretch is done and buds begin to form in length & width.

Penetrating power? Explain this. If light hits a leaf, it does not pass through.
Some light does pass, some is deflected, most is absorbed, and is either used for a biochemical reaction, stored until the chemical process can happen again, or simply send away by just another lightwave.

But most importantly, different wavebands are absorbed by different subtypes of chlorophylls (and other accessory pigments) and do enter this process at another place/ pigment, thus different wavelengths have different "penetration power" or effects on what is happening inside a leaf (strictly speaking now on photosynthesis not on photomorphogenesis).
A HPS has a much better penetration power than a lm301b 3500k diode. That why Samsung made the lm301h-ONE.

Outside even the blue sky does deliver photons to a plant from all possible directions - because alot of sunlight simply gets scattered away.
Now inside a closed & highly reflective environment (such as a tent) this scattered radiation (mostly green & FR) forms an ambient light which reaches much further down, although it won't be as strong as the direct light ofc, and even more so if green & FR has been mostly excluded from the mainlight....

Then, there is also the problem of overloading certain structures if one simply throws the same lightwaves at leaves....

The law of inverse squares mathematically explains why we get lesser light readings as we get farther from a single point of light emission.
Correctly this law only applies if all stray light is lost (such as an open environment), it does not take reflection or ambient light into account. Your lamp puts out a dedicated number of photons and this number is the same no matter how far your lamp is away.

However, there IS some loss, from reflection, from the atoms in the air (this mostly affects UV). Although this may become even a HUGE loss in an open environment, such as open vertical restaurant farms...
 
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I’ll agree to disagree on plucking fan leaves. In a indoor setting plucking is benifical. Outdoor the sun penetrates through same with a 1000watt De hps. But I find led lacks that deep penitrating power.

I pluck bud sites as well. But that’s just a easy answer to dealing with larff. I’m try to get my fluff to dence up.

You can agree to disagree if you want but if your canopy is under 18 inches then penetration power isn’t what is lacking. Pruning the correct growth and redirecting energy isn’t about an easy fix. It’s about working with the situation you have.

With your light levels photons also aren’t what is lacking.
 
This thread has me scratching my head. I pulled ~1.5lb (dry) in my 3x3 (defo, scrog, flood & drain, indica) with a 260w HLG QB. Next run I added another ~100w of linear led and pulled closer to 2lb (defo, scrog, drain to waste, sativa) AND got some foxtailing due to what I believed to be *too much* light (speculation obviously). I could not imagine 500w of LEDs in a 3x3, especially with cobs and 8-10" of headroom.
 
This thread has me scratching my head. I pulled ~1.5lb (dry) in my 3x3 (defo, scrog, flood & drain, indica) with a 260w HLG QB. Next run I added another ~100w of linear led and pulled closer to 2lb (defo, scrog, drain to waste, sativa) AND got some foxtailing due to what I believed to be *too much* light (speculation obviously). I could not imagine 500w of LEDs in a 3x3, especially with cobs and 8-10" of headroom.
One thing I've also noticed how to tell your lights are too close is the leaves closest to the lights will start looking calcium deficient, that's event before noticeable light bleaching.
 
... When you remove leaves the plant directs energy to replacing them ...
I am just testing this method to see if it's worth it. With three herb loving friends moving to other towns over the past couple of months I suddenly have some extra reserves to live off if leaf stripping goes off the rails.

Then we chuck it in the "live 'n learn" bucket and never schwazz again.

But if it does work ... then I have a very nice problem on my hands.

:weed:
 
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