How to Develop a Trustworthy, Accurate Scientific Consensus?

Padawanbater2

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I've been asking myself this question for a really long time.

How do we get people, no matter what their beliefs, to agree on scientific facts about reality?

So many problems we face are because people simply don't agree the same problems exist, or disagree on the best ways to go about solving them.

An example of this is the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. One side says they have accurate information, the other side says they do too. How do we get the true information to be the only information people believe?

Another example is the evolution/creationism debate.

You would think people would believe the people who actively study the stuff, whatever the topic might be, instead of people who don't really know much about it. But dealing with believers, that frame of mind is reinforced by their religious texts. I'm not even sure this is possible. If a person can accept that what their religious book is telling them is wrong then how could any of it ever be trusted to be right?
 
its all in the head. since we're born we start generating views on what we see as reality. some people are more susceptible to things they hear or experience or are told to believe, and dont take the time to investigate, they just take it for fact.
maybe its an ego thing?
 
Perception is reality and no two people perceive the same reality...

So you can never reach a scientific consensus about perception.
 
Perception is reality and no two people perceive the same reality...

So you can never reach a scientific consensus about perception.


Reality is objective. People have their own little subjective realities they believe in, but that's not what I'm talking about.

How do we make it so that only the truth, or at best what we THINK is the truth, gets passed on as credible information?

Think of the media, what kinds of restrictions or regulations would be needed? How would we have to change things?

The way I see it now, the national media is wrapped up and their ability to tell lies is dependent upon our 1st amendment. They could tell anyone anything they wanted and face virtually no consequences.

Is it a good thing our media has this ability? Is it a right? Does the media have the right to lie to us? We see the results of it everyday, one group of people think they have the "facts" and so does the opposing group. How do we get it so that everyone all agrees on the same facts? Some people want to believe certain things so badly they believe a lie just because it supports it, even above the truth, above reality.
 
So, do you want to take away free speech? Because what it sounds like to me is that you want to live in a totalitarian society where one person or a group of people decides what reality is and if you dont like it, well then they get rid of you...

Didnt that happen in Nazi Germany?
 
So, do you want to take away free speech? Because what it sounds like to me is that you want to live in a totalitarian society where one person or a group of people decides what reality is and if you dont like it, well then they get rid of you...

Didnt that happen in Nazi Germany?

I'm trying to come up with some kind of system where we can make sure the good stuff goes forward and the bad stuff gets rejected, not deleted. The way things are going right now aren't working and it's just creating a nation of complete idiots. Seriously, take a look at the education statistics in the US, it's sad. :(

We have to do something, and I think a lot of it is because too many people simply believe stupid stuff (that's dangerous) because it's easy, and the society we live in tells us it's all OK, and that's what's normal. It's a deceptive reality they fabricate to keep us all occupied.

We all have these little differences and at every available opportunity, there's something there that's instigating more and more separation. Take for instance that other thread that's going on, the issue of homosexuality, how it's an issue because people, some of them extremely prominent, up into presidents and other high public officials make it an issue. Why not come together on the small things and worry about the big things? It seems like a lot of people spend so much time and energy bitching and complaining about always trying to control someone elses life because they don't like what they're doing, or they think it's gross, or immoral, or unnatural... Meanwhile things like advancing our species, making medical breakthroughs, milestones in space, even how we're going to power the planet from now on go unsolved and hardly even talked about...

I want to do all this keeping in mind mistakes made in the past. There's obvious clear intention differences with this idea. This is about free, open information and the suppression of bullshit lies stupid people THINK are facts.
 
I'm trying to come up with some kind of system where we can make sure the good stuff goes forward and the bad stuff gets rejected, not deleted. The way things are going right now aren't working and it's just creating a nation of complete idiots. Seriously, take a look at the education statistics in the US, it's sad. :(

We have to do something, and I think a lot of it is because too many people simply believe stupid stuff (that's dangerous) because it's easy, and the society we live in tells us it's all OK, and that's what's normal. It's a deceptive reality they fabricate to keep us all occupied.

We all have these little differences and at every available opportunity, there's something there that's instigating more and more separation. Take for instance that other thread that's going on, the issue of homosexuality, how it's an issue because people, some of them extremely prominent, up into presidents and other high public officials make it an issue. Why not come together on the small things and worry about the big things? It seems like a lot of people spend so much time and energy bitching and complaining about always trying to control someone elses life because they don't like what they're doing, or they think it's gross, or immoral, or unnatural... Meanwhile things like advancing our species, making medical breakthroughs, milestones in space, even how we're going to power the planet from now on go unsolved and hardly even talked about...

I want to do all this keeping in mind mistakes made in the past. There's obvious clear intention differences with this idea. This is about free, open information and the suppression of bullshit lies stupid people THINK are facts.

WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHAT THE FACTS ARE???

That is the point of your argument that scares the shit out of me... How do you suppress any ideas that do not comply with the current facts?

Here is the problem. We have no concept of what reality is...

Just a couple hundred years ago humans reality consisted of the fact that the earth was flat and the center of the universe. And if you disagreed with those FACTS then you were put into jail...

I have an ongoing argument with a friend of mine. Take 2 racquetballs of exactly the same size, manufacture, etc... The only difference is that one ball is red and the other is blue. Now, take away all light from the room they are in. Are the racquetballs exactly the same or are they different. My position is that because they still have a physical structure difference that they truly are different. His argument is that because light no longer exists, in our perception they are identical...

You are attempting to address a whole multiple of problems in one simple universal concept.

#1. We do not understand nor can properly perceive reality in our current primative state of conciousness and intellectual advancement.

#2. Even if we could perceive reality, there is no guarantee that people would not draw completely different conclusions from the evidence provided.

Here is a good example... You have a bag of weed. I come up to you and take your bag of weed. Now, in my perception that is a good thing because now I have this great weed. In your perception life sucks because you just got a bag of weed taken from you. Who's perception is right? Can they both be right? IN REALITY... Does it matter who has the weed?

Lets say someone kills you and takes your stuff... You are dead and that person has more stuff... Did reality change? Your perception of it sure would have...

#3. As demonstrated above, it is the ego and the self that controls everybody. So, moral judgements and personal gain alter perception of reality regardless of the true reality. And reality is not dependent upon perception, it simply is.

But your whole argument centers around control of information based upon some perceived reality that denies all others. We would have to give up freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to assemble, freedom of using the internet, etc.... The government would have to have the sole control of information across the globe and disseminating information other than the government *reality* would have to become illegal...

I think this is going in completely the wrong direction...
 
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