How To LST (Low Stress Training)

HappyGrowing86

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Size: 3.5 ft X 3.5 ft mylar lined on three sides, open on front, white plastic board on floor

Veg lights: 400mh + 250 hps - 650 total veg watts
Flwr lights: 400hps + 250 mh + 8 - 26w 4200K cfls + 8 - 26w 2400K cfls = 1066 flowering watts
Lighting Schedual :
Clones - 24 hours (No HID lamps)
Vegetative - 20 hours
Flowering - 12 hrs (last two weeks of flowering 13 hrs)

Hood: Sun Systems air cooled hood w/ custom 16 socket cfl bracket

Cooling: Hood is cooled with a industrial heater fan mounted in a acoustic foam lined box - Absolutely Silent
Plants have a .25 hp industrial fan w/ a dimmer switch hooked up to the cord to adjust power.

Nutrients: Advanced Nutrients - Micro, Grow, Bloom ; Voodoo Juice ; Sensizyme ; Bud Blood
Humbolt County's Own - Snow Storm ; Gravity
Cloning Gel - Rootech cloning gel

Growing medium: I start clones in 3x3 rockwool cubes. Soil is 6 part mix that i make. perlite, kentucky riverbottom loam, worm castings, bat guano, a organic soil base that a local nursery sells

Odor control - custom build powered filter box (totally seperate from hood cooling system)
holds 10 - 20lbs activated carbon

I'm not sure how early other people start training there plants, but i start by topping the clones as i plant them in soil on day 1. This is not your typical topping of a plant. I trim the very top 1 or 2 nodes on the very end of the growing tip. Then about 3-5 days after i have planted a cube in soil, the plant should be through any stress from topping and planting it in soil. The next 2 or 3 nodes down from where it was topped should be showing signs of strong growth now that they are the only 3 branches on the little clone. I start by tying these tiny braches apart with cotton string and tie them to the edge of the pot. As it grows i prune nodes that a wont need before they get and larger than 1/4 of an inch, so the plant doesn't waste any energy on growing branches that i'm going to prune off. I tie the branches out and down spreading them as evenly as i can, until i have a plant with 13 - 15 heads about the same height. I trim nodes from the lower parts of the growing heads so there is no little "popcorn nugs" at the bottom of the stems of where my main colas will be. I do all of this in 30 days. If you do it right the plant will grow extremely fast and just how you want it to. As I begin to flower my plants I usually don't have to do any more tying to position the heads but i usually just have to adjust the height/ tension of the strings. I do have to always tie them up to each other when they start getting so heavy the plant can't hold up the weight itself. Thats it on LST unless anyone has more questions.

A few other tips - I fertilize every watering (except flushing the plants of course). I just find a level of nutrient solution that my plants can handle without burning or even getting to dark green. I think a constant light feeding program works much better than a heavy fertilization every other watering. DON"T OVERFERTILIZE. You can build up levels of minerals and other compounds in the soil the don't make the plant look like its having problems but rather just slow down growth. Also i keep the glass of the hood 8 inches from the tops of my plants. The cooling system is powerful enough to keep the glass around 85 degrees. I checked it with a laser thermometer. There is two types of ways a HID bulb can burn a plant. The first is just the heat energy put off, and secondly is by the intensity of the visible light coming off the bulb. Most sources say to keep your plants 18 - 24 inches from the bulb, but i find that my plants leaves wont start showing signs of damage until 3 - 4 inches from the glass of my hood with the glass being cool to the touch (85 degrees or so). So basically I'm just reiterating the well known fact that the closer you can bring your lights to the plants without burning the better.
 

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Mel O'Cheddar

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You know, we did this outside. I thought of it before we read any books on growing or found any websites. We did it in the backyard and didn't want to hip the neighbours to the fact that we had 3 pot plants in the yard. :) Outside we just used twine and bricks with good results. We have our 1st indoor grow going on right now and we're doing some experimenting, 1 of the "freebie" seeds we got, Applejack I think, and she looks OK.
 

Gongja

Member
yo I started my plant LSTing a week or 2 ago because my nodes were really stretched out (someone i know started this wonderful little plant's life under an incandescent plant light...oopsie (...*cough* it was me *cough* :) so anyway i was like, dam how do i grow a plant in a regular storage bin? read this thread and it helped me out 10000000000000%. your pictures at the beginning lay it out exactly right, it's one thing to read about it, but diagrams? ... niiiiice. seriously, i mean you already know i'm kinda dumb (that whole *cough*incandescent*cough* thing...) thank you so much she's turning into a regular muthafuckin' bush. RegulaMuthaFuckinBush.jpg...also, went and got some CFL's, there's a lot of hate on this forum for them, however, they kick some butt on one little plant. Thanks again, +rep
 

Slurpy

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Is LSTing ideal for vertical light setups or just horizontal ones? Also should you only LST in your final pot? I imagine it would be tough to transplant....
 

dapio

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I believe LST is more ideal under horizontal set-ups I think vertical set-ups have their own scheme to them.
 

SethBA

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I have been very interested in this technique for sometime now because I lack grow space. I am just trying to make sure I am doing this properly. Advice / suggestions are welcome. BTW this is my first clone off of a PlatOGK. I'm so happy with it's progress thus far. The momma is 33 days into flowering. She looks so nice.
 

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sfsurfer

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I have to say, LST is the way to go. I started LST on my Cheese clones right after they were transplanted and continued training throughout the four weeks I had them in veg. The Purple Dragon was LSTed right after I transplanted her into a 1 gallon bucket and put straight into flowering. All 6 plants have been in flower for 38 days under a 600w Sunpulse 3000k MH bulb and 400w of additional CFL. This is my first time trying LST and I am blown away by the results, definitely wont go back! Heres the girls..

Cheese (canopy day 1 flowering and day 31 flowering)
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Cheese (Pre-flowering and flowering)
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Purple Dragon (Pre-flowering and flowering)
Purple Dragon 11-3-10 a.jpg Purple Dragon 11-3-10 b.jpg Purple Dragon 12-10-10 b.jpg Purple Dragon 12-10-10 c.jpg Purple Dragon 12-10-10 e.jpg Purple Dragon 12-10-10 f.jpg
 

AlteredEgo

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Hi, I read most all this topic, and I just started a different way of doing this.

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Yep, it's a cage, ya see, I had a girl or two get unruly, pulling hair and crap, you know how they do sometimes, anyway, This lil AK-47 in a cage wont be giving me any problems! I will just keep growing roots, and tying the new growth to the top. After about 6 mos of veg, I can start to flower this wonderful symmetric field of buds.

I will do a full writeup on this, and solving some of the emotional issues ya can get involved in with plants of various origin all growing together.

Everybody knows they should talk to their plants, but most folks haven't a clue what the hell to say, well, I can help with that.

Thanks for the thread ya'll!
 

bigedawg

Member
this whole lst thing is confusing for a noob such as myself/ can anyone recommend a thread for me to read that has pics or diagrams to go along with the instructions? Thanks for any help..
 

budtoker0987

Active Member
I have to say, LST is the way to go. I started LST on my Cheese clones right after they were transplanted and continued training throughout the four weeks I had them in veg. The Purple Dragon was LSTed right after I transplanted her into a 1 gallon bucket and put straight into flowering. All 6 plants have been in flower for 38 days under a 600w Sunpulse 3000k MH bulb and 400w of additional CFL. This is my first time trying LST and I am blown away by the results, definitely wont go back! Heres the girls..

Cheese (canopy day 1 flowering and day 31 flowering)
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Cheese (Pre-flowering and flowering)
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Purple Dragon (Pre-flowering and flowering)
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I'm starting to get this put together in my head.... So once there are 3 nodes then you tie down the TOP of the main stalk right? then the part that im getting confused about is all the other nodes sticking up like that. are those like new "main stalks" that have grown where you bent it at to begin with or are those just the lower nodes getting more light and going stright up?
 

Joe andy

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Its a very simple concept. By bending the main stalk, you are giving the branches more light and controlling their growth by the same tying method you do on the mainstem. The branches on a plant are the same grow tips as the one on the main stalk (hence why they are used as clones) so by bending the plant and manipulating the branches you get a plant filled with colas, all receiving an equal share of light. Understanding that concept makes the entire process much easier. There is no "wrong way", just inferior. As with anything, the more time you spend and attention you give, the better the results. Low stress is an added benefit from cutting the main grow tip because of faster growth/ less plant damage and more consistent results. Im just starting my first attempt at this, cant wait to see the results. Great info guys!:clap:
 

budtoker0987

Active Member
Its a very simple concept. By bending the main stalk, you are giving the branches more light and controlling their growth by the same tying method you do on the mainstem. The branches on a plant are the same grow tips as the one on the main stalk (hence why they are used as clones) so by bending the plant and manipulating the branches you get a plant filled with colas, all receiving an equal share of light. Understanding that concept makes the entire process much easier. There is no "wrong way", just inferior. As with anything, the more time you spend and attention you give, the better the results. Low stress is an added benefit from cutting the main grow tip because of faster growth/ less plant damage and more consistent results. Im just starting my first attempt at this, cant wait to see the results. Great info guys!:clap:
Sweet man!! Totally put the picture in my head! Thanks a lot man + rep :)
 

AlteredEgo

Active Member
Hi, I read most all this topic, and I just started a different way of doing this.

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Yep, it's a cage, ya see, I had a girl or two get unruly, pulling hair and crap, you know how they do sometimes, anyway, This lil AK-47 in a cage wont be giving me any problems! I will just keep growing roots, and tying the new growth to the top. After about 6 mos of veg, I can start to flower this wonderful symmetric field of buds.

I will do a full writeup on this, and solving some of the emotional issues ya can get involved in with plants of various origin all growing together.

Everybody knows they should talk to their plants, but most folks haven't a clue what the hell to say, well, I can help with that.

Thanks for the thread ya'll!
OK, here is this same cage, about 3-4 weeks into flowering. I just took each tip, and as it grew upward, I wound them up in the cage wire. Makes a nice flat budding surface, with loads of Budsites.
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I am using a single 330W Philips Ceramic Metal Halide, with a homemade aluminium conical reflector, and I have another one of these to add, when I get another bulb. The bulb is about 30-35" from the plants, which is really pretty close for these lamps. Read up on these, they are great! No cooling needed, in my situation, as they produce less heat, and are great for both growth and flowering, as they cover both spectrums nicely plus also emit UVB rays, which is said to increase trichome size, as the plant will enlarge them to help hide the leaf surface from the UVB

This would technically be LST'ing into a ScrOG (Screen Of Green), but as far as the plant knows, it is just Low Stress Training. In the wild, plants get trampled into the mud by cows (not so low stress), and usually will flower upward all along each branch, and main stem. most times the plant makes more buds than when upright. The trade off is the time taken to grow and train the limbs, which does take a little longer than allowing 12"-20" height, then into flower. People who do not LST can make up for the extra buds gained by taking time to train, with extra plants.

LST is great for space management, if you are into managing space.

I still think that a good rule of thumb is, BIG roots, make BIG plants that store energy, (Chemically) in BIG fan leaves, and then use some of that energy to produce BIG BUDs. so, I like to grow big roots, when I have room.
 

Dubbz0r

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3 days ago I moved my plants into their soiled pots, 5gal warrior pots. Is it too early to start using this method?

**Pics of my grow are in my sig
 

TillthedayiDIE420

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Any pics ivanOooze???? Btw Power Ranger's kicked butt until that movie..... hahah still Ivan was one of the best characters in that movie... :P
 
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