How Would A Public Health Insurance Option Have A Negative Impact?

what has usually happened in history is a big jolt pulls nations out of the spiral. war or major economic crises. people then either grasp at straws and go tyranical. or they move toward truth and liberty.

right now, most of the nations of eu are going toward truth. pulling a little of the proverbial rug out from underneath the socialistics. taking steps toward freeing up the markets and taking power away from the tyrants, public unions.

then on the other side you have venezeuala and countries like that. but even there, there are some signs of hope. time will tell but i am fascinated by it all.
I'm fascinated and concerned by it at the same time. I have kids and in stereotypical parent fashion, I would like to know the world that we leave behind will be one of prosperity and relative comfort and freedom, similar to what you and I have enjoyed for the bulk of our lifetime. :blsmoke:
 
Not sure on what you are saying? Are you saying the politicians don't use government run health care? I heard they do, maybe I am wrong. Maybe government run health care isn't the answer. Yeah we have some of the best hospitals in the world, with the best equipment. But when people have to go bankrupt because they didn't have health insurance, or the insurance companies wont cover because you have pre-existing conditions, or you have been paying insurance and you get sick and they will cover certain things to a certain amount, or just find a way to not cover you at all. Doesn't that bother you? Or are people in general selfish and don't give fuck what happens to other people, unless the situation happens to them one day?

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I think you've nailed it

 
I think the whole insurance thing is just another way for large corportations to make money. Actuaries make more money than any other job position. There are a few countries with free healthcare. Canada being one of them. I know the taxes are higher but it doesnt seem to be that bad. How does it work for them? Anyone from Canada feel free to speak up.
 
I think the whole insurance thing is just another way for large corportations to make money. Actuaries make more money than any other job position. There are a few countries with free healthcare. Canada being one of them. I know the taxes are higher but it doesnt seem to be that bad. How does it work for them? Anyone from Canada feel free to speak up.
Um, of course insurance is just another way for large corporations to make money! Did you think they were in business to lose money? Canada doesn't have free healthcare, it is paid for by higher taxes as you mentioned. Somebody is paying for that shit. Anyways, here is an article that talks about some of the faults of the Canadian system and government run healthcare in general.
:eyesmoke:
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_ibd-canadian_doctor_describes_how.htm
 
Word up Doc. Thanks for the read. It sucks that people have to wait like they do for serious care. Seems like preventive maintenance is the best insurance.
 
Word up Doc. Thanks for the read. It sucks that people have to wait like they do for serious care. Seems like preventive maintenance is the best insurance.
Preventive care would help...............if you can get people to do it. I know so many intelligent adults that don't go to the doctor at all. They never get sick so they just don't go. Their reasoning is "Why should I go to a doctor if I'm not sick?". Fair enough but some routine testing would turn up any problems that might stay hidden until it's too late, like cancers. Cholesterol screenings, blood pressure, blood sugar, all these things are simple and relatively inexpensive tests, yet most Americans can't be bothered to have them done regularly. Don't get me started on smoking cigarettes and obesity!:evil:
 
Um, of course insurance is just another way for large corporations to make money! Did you think they were in business to lose money? Canada doesn't have free healthcare, it is paid for by higher taxes as you mentioned. Somebody is paying for that shit. Anyways, here is an article that talks about some of the faults of the Canadian system and government run healthcare in general.
:eyesmoke:
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_ibd-canadian_doctor_describes_how.htm

But their problems aren't shit compared to ours.
 
Let's see.
social security, bankrupt in 2030(?) no oversight
USPS lost 8 billion last year. no oversight
medicare. cluster fuck. no oversight
housing i.e. Fannie and Freddie no oversight, worse we were lied to about solvency.

The last 20+ years had some of the biggest growth in our economy in a long time. The government spent all the money, plus a trillion extra. Unfunded liabilities (government promised money that has to be spent in the future ) share for each family, several hundred thousand dollars. ( Take a look at www.usdebtclock.org) I don't understand how anyone thinks the government will do a proper job running health care. They need to take some regulations off and see if that helps first. Why can't I buy health insurance across state lines? . I think it's safe to say that most people want affordable health care. Sadly our elected officials show NO sign of being able to handle the task.

If we want better PRICED health care, we need elected officials who give a shit about the people. They don't right now. Just my opinion.
 
The government would use taxpayer money to subsidize the policies. It is simply wealth re-distribution.

But hey, since the greatest Ponzi scheme ever developed - Social Security... The government is just itching to put one more social program over the top that benefits the users in society at the cost of the producers.
 
The government would use taxpayer money to subsidize the policies. It is simply wealth re-distribution.

But hey, since the greatest Ponzi scheme ever developed - Social Security... The government is just itching to put one more social program over the top that benefits the users in society at the cost of the producers.
Damn bro! Where've you been hiding? I haven't seen you on here in a couple of months! Welcome back.:weed:
 
Damn bro! Where've you been hiding? I haven't seen you on here in a couple of months! Welcome back.:weed:

Heya Doc,

Didnt really go anywhere, just havent been reading the forums. Now that MMJ is legal in AZ I wanted to get any info from the community I can. I would love to be part of the system here in AZ in some way.

Thanks!!
 
Heya Doc,

Didnt really go anywhere, just havent been reading the forums. Now that MMJ is legal in AZ I wanted to get any info from the community I can. I would love to be part of the system here in AZ in some way.

Thanks!!
Congrats on the passage of MMJ!!!!! What do we have, 35 states left to go now? I kinda wish Cali had passed prop 19. :-(
 
Whole lotta bullshit in this thread. I've posted on this subject in some other threads recently. I'm a Canadian with over forty years experience of public health care.

You can say what you like about Canadian health care but you should include two points in your analysis.

One: Canadian life expectancy is slightly HIGHER than American. That suggests our health care system is adequate, at the very least.

Two: Canadian health care costs are ONE HALF American. Americans spend an average $6,000/yr, Canadians $3,000.

The American system costs twice as much to pay for the increased bureacracy - some significant part of every health dollar goes to administrative costs, far greater than in Canada - and of course to produce the necessary profit.

For years - as long as I've been around - the Canadian corporate sector has had its eyes on the fat profits its American cousin pulls in and is waging a massive propaganda campaign to persuade Canadians that white is black and black is white. The cited article from the Manhattan Institute - or whatever fancy-ass name this bunch of rightwing zealots call themselves - is typical of the sort of garbage they've been shoving at us for years, basically a pack of filthy lies. But Canadians, being no stupider than anyone else, consistently and overwhelmingly vote against any attempts to reduce their coverage.

I would encourage anyone who wants to make a serious comparison between the two systems to steer clear of the propaganda and find genuinely disinterested and reliable data sources.

In answer to the OP the only negative of a public health system would be a whole layer of managers and pencil-pushers would suddenly find themselves looking for work. But since the American economy would suddenly be tens of billions of dollars wealthier I'm sure a whole lot of actually productive jobs could be created.
 
Whole lotta bullshit in this thread. I've posted on this subject in some other threads recently. I'm a Canadian with over forty years experience of public health care.

You can say what you like about Canadian health care but you should include two points in your analysis.

One: Canadian life expectancy is slightly HIGHER than American. That suggests our health care system is adequate, at the very least.

Two: Canadian health care costs are ONE HALF American. Americans spend an average $6,000/yr, Canadians $3,000.

The American system costs twice as much to pay for the increased bureacracy - some significant part of every health dollar goes to administrative costs, far greater than in Canada - and of course to produce the necessary profit.

For years - as long as I've been around - the Canadian corporate sector has had its eyes on the fat profits its American cousin pulls in and is waging a massive propaganda campaign to persuade Canadians that white is black and black is white. The cited article from the Manhattan Institute - or whatever fancy-ass name this bunch of rightwing zealots call themselves - is typical of the sort of garbage they've been shoving at us for years, basically a pack of filthy lies. But Canadians, being no stupider than anyone else, consistently and overwhelmingly vote against any attempts to reduce their coverage.

I would encourage anyone who wants to make a serious comparison between the two systems to steer clear of the propaganda and find genuinely disinterested and reliable data sources.

In answer to the OP the only negative of a public health system would be a whole layer of managers and pencil-pushers would suddenly find themselves looking for work. But since the American economy would suddenly be tens of billions of dollars wealthier I'm sure a whole lot of actually productive jobs could be created.
There are a lot of factors that affect life expectancy and healthcare is only one small aspect. We have way more obesity, smoking, sedentary lifestyles, homicides, care accidents. All of these things contribute to life expectancy.;-)

Care to talk about the crisis many Canadians are having finding a family doctor? How about the ridiculous wait times to see a specialist or have a diagnostic test done? Any mention of Canadians, some of your own politicians in fact, jumping accross your southern border to get our crappy, overpriced care (sarcasm alert!)? The majority of Americans don't want a Canadian style healthcare system, no offense. American isn't Canada and what works there will not necessarily work here.:bigjoint:
 
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