a mongo frog
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HID is the # 1 horticulture lighting sold world wide. Im not doubting LED at all. Ive seen all the bud pics but yours. They are the same as hid. Some are better then others, depends on the gardener.
Hps vs New L.E.D.s
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Olive Drab Green
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That's because it's been the staple for decades. Lighting has changed, as it's expected to continue to do.
freemanjack
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Personally, I'm beginning to suspect weed is actually carnivorous and the primary role of producing copious amounts of fairly strongly acidic sticky goo, in any other plant, is solely to catch and digest bugs to augment meagre soil nutrients. (Google; sundew) anyone ever found a whole dead bug in their bud? had plenty of skeletal husks but never a whole body.
TacoMac
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I love how two alt accounts run by the same person typing in the same moronic, uneducated, childish fashion try to pass it off as two different people agreeing to the same lame point that is in fact not even remotely accurate.
Once again proving me 100% correct.
HydoDan
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Give it a break.. your ignorance is showing! Sad very sad!
Dankistino
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Big league comment.
Olive Drab Green
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Sounds like a pretty uneducated response. The site has an algorithm to prevent or eliminate socks/alts, or something like that. I've had a conversation with Sunni about this. They aren't alts, and your response was pretty immature and lowbrow, not in any way productive.
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Dankistino
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Pic?
thenotsoesoteric
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I like the r1 vs honda comparison. Sadly most won't get it. Cheers
thenotsoesoteric
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Take the best grown hps, mh, c.o.b., led, cmh or outdoor/greenhouse buds and have the average tokers smoke some of each and guarantee no single light source will win overwhelmingly. Just won't happen.
Growing good herb is not a matter of buying the newest latest gadget/technology. It's like those guys who buy 3-5 thousand dollar guitars but still get shown up by the kid with a beat up Squire stratocaster and shitty solid state amp. You can buy a Ferrari but that doesn't mean you're going to win in a race against that subaru.
Growing good herb is not a matter of buying the newest latest gadget/technology. It's like those guys who buy 3-5 thousand dollar guitars but still get shown up by the kid with a beat up Squire stratocaster and shitty solid state amp. You can buy a Ferrari but that doesn't mean you're going to win in a race against that subaru.
TacoMac
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Exactly. And I've done exactly that. There is no discernible difference at all. But that doesn't stop the whole "COB crowd" from bowing up in the chest and insulting everybody hand over fist because they spent a ton of money on them.
Simple fact is: They make no difference at all.
The real promise of COB lighting is probably 10 years away. I'm thinking by then, they're going to be increasing the efficiency of LED's a good bit. I'm thinking that the power savings in the futrure is going to be closer to the 40% mark, and that along with lower cost as they go more main stream, will be the end of HPS / MH.
Olive Drab Green
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It's not 10 years away, it's already here. And no one is bowing at the chest except those of the HID crowd who says it isn't. COB was, as I've stated, invented to replace HID in high bay/low bay industrial applications. Unlike HID, most of their wattage is used on light, not wasted on heat, and with optimization, its spectrum is easily more ideal for growing than HID, making more of its light usable in comparison to HID. While HID is incandescent, COB is solid state.
For the record, I don't give a fuck about money. I get paid a pension the rest of my life. So you're definitely wrong about me caring about what I spent. I owned two "450w LED panels" before my COBs. No comparison between LED panels and COBs. One of my 89w COBs smokes both of my ViparSpectra V450s that draw 206w each.
10 years away.. A lot of hot air coming from someone who has no experience with COBs at all. If you did, you probably wouldn't say such stupid things; it just proves your inexperience with them and that you are the one bowing your chest out while you cling to the sinking ship that HIDs have become.
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freemanjack
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Pretty much our experience precisely, long time hps user, looked into m/h, was given a mono red/blue spider cob type light, most part of useless, awful plant health and vigor, converted it to white cob's and its incredible now, all white cob now and starting to garner some interest from our local big grow boys in our tech.
MANGOBICHE
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Why can't you guys just let folks grow with what works for them? I mean are you really so fucken anal that you'd sit in a weedsite constantly beating a dead horse to what end? If folks can run hid's and do well i support them, If folks wanna try to be part of the New tech wave and have great results wonderful......Some of you sound like a used car saleman trying to convince a buyer he knows what he is talking about....until you bring said car home and the thing isnt as advertised....welcome to MERIKA!
Just an fyi, My brother and i spent thousands of dollars trying these Cob flowers grown in colorado,washington, and arizona, i did NOT see,taste, or notice a diff that id go out and swap my equipment for! If you can grab decent genetics, know how to grow and keep your plants happy(cannabis aint known for being difficult to grow), then have curing down to a decent level your lighting should be the last of your worries with today's options man. Shit 800-1000 watts of t-5's put out PHENOMANOL flowers!
Just an fyi, My brother and i spent thousands of dollars trying these Cob flowers grown in colorado,washington, and arizona, i did NOT see,taste, or notice a diff that id go out and swap my equipment for! If you can grab decent genetics, know how to grow and keep your plants happy(cannabis aint known for being difficult to grow), then have curing down to a decent level your lighting should be the last of your worries with today's options man. Shit 800-1000 watts of t-5's put out PHENOMANOL flowers!
Olive Drab Green
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Mine are 3500k Cree CXB3590s, 36v, Top Bin. Run with Meanwell LPF-90D-42 Drivers at 2150mA.
Olive Drab Green
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The point is, what you waste 1000w on, I would only need.. 3 x 89w = 267w. Each putting out 850-950 PPFD, plus overlap. Adds up to what 1000w of HPS is bringing you.
MANGOBICHE
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You sound like an NCO dude lol! I'd cringe to think of what the clowns over here would charge for a "white" cob that works well thats got proven results behind it. I went to a local shop last week to just "look" ya know.............35 bucks for a 4oz bottle of einstein oil? I walked away, I love supporting local buis but jesus h crist man not if im gonna get burned like that, i too get a pension for this fucken thing called life but this is stealing man lol! Ok just saw your 1000 watt post..........i use 600 tubes but if your saying i can replace 1000 watts for 150 of cob and its comparable im interested, i may have to steal one from a store but im interested lol.
Olive Drab Green
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You have to get proper COBs, brother. You'll see. Cree, Citizen, or Vero at the moment.
MANGOBICHE
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This confuses me.........
Is that wrong?