Hwy420's White Widow Grow

Roots are looking good man no worries on them, not that i can see.

Theres somthing going on in there wish i new about all the different types of plant problems out there i could help you out more. You know if i could just look at the plant and know excatlywhat the problem is that would be sick one day still learning.

Wicked picture man, you can just take rips and look at that for hours finding new things all the time thanks for sharing.

Looks like you have that room dialed in really nice with those temps and humidity good job on that saves you from , thats always a plus.

hwy420 said:

Cool thanks for the input, The soil is mainly fx farm and a few pots have some added black cow, would that cause it to be overfertilized? I've watered them about 5 times so far, every 3-4 days, and a couple of times had some extra bloom nutes already mixed that I added. I also don't think I water them enough, it's such a bitch so I let the soil get really dry first. I'm gonna go water them now with pure water and flush a little bit. I have been trying my best to keep them short & bushy as much as possible by fimming because I don't want them to get too big to not be able to flower all of them under the single 600W. I thought I was going to start flowering them a long time before this. They always seem to look lots better after I water. I'll update with another picture in just a little bit after lights flip on. I want to post some pictures of the 'stealthiness' of this room.

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I guess I should have asked if you took the pics after the lights had been on or right when they came on, as that would make them look a little droppy. As I said, I have killed many plants due to impatience and lack of knowledge. Keep up the good work and I will follow to the harvest.

corngrower said:

I guess I should have asked if you took the pics after the lights had been on or right when they came on, as that would make them look a little droppy. As I said, I have killed many plants due to impatience and lack of knowledge. Keep up the good work and I will follow to the harvest.

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Well yeah, I took the photos right before lights went off. It seems they always are a little bit more droopy just before & after & during the night cycle too, but they were extra droopy, you're right, I passed out last night and didn't get any pictures taken; i'll update tonight; thanks for your expertise. I've got this huge mother plant that is getting too big for vegetative; i really don't think i'm game for keeping her alive until spring to put her outside. She's almost 4 months old and I don't have a veg chamber big enough for her, and definately don't have the room to flower her if she's supposed to get twice the size. If I decide to chop her, should I just put her in the garbage?

Thanks for joinin the thread, I really need all the help I can get.

hwy420 said:

Well yeah, I took the photos right before lights went off. It seems they always are a little bit more droopy just before & after & during the night cycle too, but they were extra droopy, you're right, I passed out last night and didn't get any pictures taken; i'll update tonight; thanks for your expertise. I've got this huge mother plant that is getting too big for vegetative; i really don't think i'm game for keeping her alive until spring to put her outside. She's almost 4 months old and I don't have a veg chamber big enough for her, and definately don't have the room to flower her if she's supposed to get twice the size. If I decide to chop her, should I just put her in the garbage?

Thanks for joinin the thread, I really need all the help I can get.

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I would cut her back as far as I could. Then you can try tying her back to get her as short as you can and the bloom her.. I would try anything before trashing her but if she is just to big than she is just to big!

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Cheese101 said:

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Hey man; thanks I'm a long way off from calling it complete.

11/02/2009 Update

I watered the soil clones last night with pure water. They looked really bad last night before I watered them in picture 1. When the light came back on this evening, they were already looking better in picture 15. Some of the leaves are curling still very badly in picture 16. I'll flush again tomorrow. You can see my stealth entrance in the pictures 2-5. I guess some of my clones won't make it; some have really great root systems, and some don't show any at all. I was taking a picture of some of the clones and my camera cable got wrapped around a clone and ripped it the fuck out and it barely had a needle size dick root, it was pathetic, lol but at least she's still trying to root 3 1/2 weeks later. lol fu;ck

lol what about the pathetic survivor in picture 9 haha. I plan on taking out 4 soil clones to start flowering tomorrow under a spare 400W that I have. I'm supposed to give them 18 hours of dark before I switch to 12/12?

Lights: 18/6
Humidity: 35-55%
Air Temps: 63 - 74 F
Res Temp: 71.6 F
Res PPM/TDS: 239-250 PPM's
Res PH: 6.0
Last Res Change: 10/29/09
Next Res Change: 11/05/09

Do you have a electronic meter for ph? or is that just for ppm? I was told that the ph liquid gage your using are not that good for plants, gives us a idea but not really a accurate reading.

I had few plants my first grow, out grow the room since i didn’t really know what i was doing just started tying all the top tall colas down and dam did those things plump up biggest nugs in my grow. Only thing i did wrong was let them hit the light every once in a while so they got really bad light burn so keep those tie downs tight and check on it every day. START NOW IF YOU FEEL ITS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.

The dark period is for helping the plants feel like its starting to turn fall/winter, so it makes them go into a flower mode from what i remember. I have read that some people don’t even do this, some go with 18, 24,even 32.

Not sure you might have told us, but are the clones in the aero clones you cut ???



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Always love a stealth door way, but your computer is not hooked up yet right ? once you doo all those cords might be in your way and if you go in and out with water hmmm, if thats your office you could just build a book shelf door dam those are sweet. Or even a mirror door.

Some links if you want


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Hulk Nugs said:

I had few plants my first grow, out grow the room since i didn’t really know what i was doing just started tying all the top tall colas down and dam did those things plump up biggest nugs in my grow. Only thing i did wrong was let them hit the light every once in a while so they got really bad light burn so keep those tie downs tight and check on it every day. START NOW IF YOU FEEL ITS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.

The dark period is for helping the plants feel like its starting to turn fall/winter, so it makes them go into a flower mode from what i remember. I have read that some people don’t even do this, some go with 18, 24,even 32.

Not sure you might have told us, but are the clones in the aero clones you cut ???

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Cool, well I decided to go ahead and take your advice and take action tonight; I have a filing cabinet that i'm going to use as a flowering chamber for 4 of the soil clones, and also houses a new mother. I've decided that i'm going to flower my current monster mother with 3 stout daughters of hers under the 600W.

Yes, my clones in the Aero were clones that I cut from my mother on 10/12/09 (24 days old since cutlings).

Looking good in there man and now another little flowering chamber just gets better

Not sure how long you have been growing but if that was your first time taking clones then you did a good job man, they all might have not made it but allot did and they have great white roots on them! After a few times of cloneing, the days you have to wait for roots will get shorter.

In my experience, damaged leaves remain damaged, no matter what you do. If they are curling or knuckled, they might not right themselves. Looking at the two set ups, the plants in dirt look healthier than the hydro. I used rockwool for years, and my roots looked great but the plants looked stunted, whispy, and spindly. Switched to dirt, and they were scary they looked so good. However, my biggest harvest was over 2 lbs of ww in a 4' x 4' space done in rockwool. Next batch in was destroyed after a visit from an univited guest with a shield, 25 ww clones. My take on it is that it's easier to over fert hydro than dirt, and it might not kill them as quickly as in dirt. I went down one day and 50 plants in pots were dead, just like that. The tell-tale sign of recover will be the new growth and the top 2 inches or 3 nodes. If they are pointing up, greasy, shiney, and a little velvety, then you are in good shape. If they feel or look rubbery, keep flushing. When the top 4 inches looks great and the bottom of the plant is yellowing, you know it's time to start adding nutes. Rule of thumb: If the top looks bad but lower parts look good, it's over fert. If the top looks good but bottom is yellow or faded, it's not enough N. I'm no expert, just someone who learned from lots of failed grows. You can clone, which is the hardest part and most important part of a sog. Great work.

Hulk Nugs said:

Looking good in there man and now another little flowering chamber just gets better

Not sure how long you have been growing but if that was your first time taking clones then you did a good job man, they all might have not made it but allot did and they have great white roots on them! After a few times of cloneing, the days you have to wait for roots will get shorter.

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Cool; yeah it was my 2nd time taking clones ever but the first for the Aeroponic unit and rooting in rapid rooters. I have a 8 site aero cloner, but as soon as I have the funds, i'm going to buy a small tent & put a mother/clone chamber in there as well i'm investing in a 36 site DIY Cloner, imma invest in some clonex solution & rooting hormone as well as a 200W Daytime CFL. Some of my Aero Clones have rooted a lot, and some still don't show signs of roots, but still have dark green leaves. Some of the bigger Aero clones are 4-5" tall and appear ready to flower, Cloning with this 18/6 HPS light for a whole month for simple roots is absolutely ridiculous and a waste of good electricity, where was my brain during my budgeting?

corngrower said:

In my experience, damaged leaves remain damaged, no matter what you do. If they are curling or knuckled, they might not right themselves. Looking at the two set ups, the plants in dirt look healthier than the hydro. I used rockwool for years, and my roots looked great but the plants looked stunted, whispy, and spindly. Switched to dirt, and they were scary they looked so good. However, my biggest harvest was over 2 lbs of ww in a 4' x 4' space done in rockwool. Next batch in was destroyed after a visit from an univited guest with a shield, 25 ww clones. My take on it is that it's easier to over fert hydro than dirt, and it might not kill them as quickly as in dirt. I went down one day and 50 plants in pots were dead, just like that. The tell-tale sign of recover will be the new growth and the top 2 inches or 3 nodes. If they are pointing up, greasy, shiney, and a little velvety, then you are in good shape. If they feel or look rubbery, keep flushing. When the top 4 inches looks great and the bottom of the plant is yellowing, you know it's time to start adding nutes. Rule of thumb: If the top looks bad but lower parts look good, it's over fert. If the top looks good but bottom is yellow or faded, it's not enough N. I'm no expert, just someone who learned from lots of failed grows. You can clone, which is the hardest part and most important part of a sog. Great work.

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It took me a minute to figure out your "uninvited visitor with a shield" was a LeO lol. I'm slow, but I hate that you had to go through that over a plant, sorry bro. Thanks for your advice, it makes sense that the top plant nodes are a good indicator of plant health b/c it's the newest growth displaying it's healthiness whereas the older bottom nodes indicate the former/preceding nutrient uptake. I think conditions have really been optimal for these young girls, and I have no idea why the leaves are knuckling/curling. I've not had temperatures under complete control, but I believe it may have gotten too hot for them a few times. Maybe the lights are/were too close. I thought that as long as I was able to keep my hand between the canopy and the bulb without it burning it would be safe for them. My AC Unit is also a dehumidifier which keeps humidity round 35-45%. Maybe a combination of fluctuating temps and the light being too close caused the curling of the leaves. It doesn't look as bad today, but i'm changing my resovoir and updating this evening.

Thank you all for your responses and expertise following my journal. Together we'll make it a good grow.

Hwy420

11/05/2009 Update

Lights: 18/6
Humidity: 35-45%
Air Temps: 68 - 75 F
Res Temp: 65 - 70 F
Res PPM/TDS: 300 PPM's
Res PH: 4.0- 6.0
Last Res Change: Today
Next Res Change: 11/12/2009

After my res change tonight PH was a little higher than normal with my RO water so I added a good bit of PH. I added too much and it dropped to closer to orange (5.0) I said fuck lol; so I corrected it once, and it seemed to balance back out; THEN on I mixed a half cup of GH bloom formula in a gallon jug and added 1 1/2 Teaspons of SuperTrive. I checked my PH about 20 minutes later and it was 4.0 or less, I was like wtf. So I added a whole dropper of PH Up, and it brought it up maybe a little to 5.0, and added another whole dropper of PH Up, and it seemed to balance back out to 6.0 and has stayed. My resovoir is 40 gallons. What did I do wrong?

hwy420 said:

11/05/2009 Update

Lights: 18/6
Humidity: 35-45%
Air Temps: 68 - 75 F
Res Temp: 65 - 70 F
Res PPM/TDS: 300 PPM's
Res PH: 4.0- 6.0
Last Res Change: Today
Next Res Change: 11/12/2009

After my res change tonight PH was a little higher than normal with my RO water so I added a good bit of PH. I added too much and it dropped to closer to orange (5.0) I said fuck lol; so I corrected it once, and it seemed to balance back out; THEN on I mixed a half cup of GH bloom formula in a gallon jug and added 1 1/2 Teaspons of SuperTrive. I checked my PH about 20 minutes later and it was 4.0 or less, I was like wtf. So I added a whole dropper of PH Up, and it brought it up maybe a little to 5.0, and added another whole dropper of PH Up, and it seemed to balance back out to 6.0 and has stayed. My resovoir is 40 gallons. What did I do wrong?

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I would get a ph pen. They are so much better than using one of those ph kits. Make sure you mix your Micro nutes in the res first. Then put the other bloom and veg nutes in. Make sense. The Micro has a buffer in it to stabilize the ph for you but you should check it after you add all of your nutes to make the final up or down. Just make sure to check your ph often! I hate ph problems so I got a ph pen and have not looked back. The plants are looking really nice bro.

you didn't allow enough time for the matters to dissolve
if u look into your res and watch your ph up dissolves into the water
you will notice it becomes like lil bubbles in the water, almost like when oil mixes with water
it will then slowly start braking into the water raisin the pH a lil as it brakes into the soup
rule of thumb - you always want to pH after you added all your nutes!
hope this make sense

girls looking great, maybe lil over watered!

I think 1/2 cup of fertilizer per gallon is a bit much, and I think for superthrive you only need one capful. Cut your nutes in half and see what happens. Did I read correctly that you are adding bloom ferts? If so, those are low in N, which is what is needed for vegging. If you are watering constantly, the plants just sit there and do nothing. Water once a day for 15 mintues right when the lights come on. You can tell that you might be over fertilizing because the pH drops so much when you add the nutes. It should go down, but if you start at pH7, it shouldn't drop to 4. If you are flowering soon, get the plants healthy and growing fast (the new stuff DOES look better) and when you decrease the ferts again you'll see a difference. Cut the old, bad growth off. You need new stuff to used as a metric, plus you need to know when you aren't using enough N (lower leaves will fade while plant keeps growing), at which point you can add more....slowly. Changes happen fast with hydro, and two days of backing off can make a world of difference, as you have already proven.
Keep monitoring, happy plants are just around the corner, and keep up the good work.

About the knock and talk....if it happens, tell them you need to see a warrant. My visitor didn't have one, and tried to talk his way in. I know my rights, and it pissed him off. He never came in and never came back. But I wasn't about to sit on 25 plants after a cop had been to my house, so I shut it down and dumped it all out in the country.....such is life.
Thanks for the +rep!

there looking awesome bro

looks good man...GO BIG ot GO HOME!!! sucscribed...as i stumbled onto this i am wearing my highway 420 shirt with the sign and all...kinda funny...anyhow good luck ill be keeping an eye..wanna see how it turns out

hunt4pot1 said:

I would get a ph pen. They are so much better than using one of those ph kits. Make sure you mix your Micro nutes in the res first. Then put the other bloom and veg nutes in. Make sense. The Micro has a buffer in it to stabilize the ph for you but you should check it after you add all of your nutes to make the final up or down. Just make sure to check your ph often! I hate ph problems so I got a ph pen and have not looked back. The plants are looking really nice bro.

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Thanks bro; yeah I plan on investing in a PH Pen, but it seems I've not budgeted my finances well and i'll not be able to afford anything at least until after my first harvest. From now on, i'm going to mix supertrive first, then i'll mix my my nutes. Thanks for helpin

SOG said:

you didn't allow enough time for the matters to dissolve
if u look into your res and watch your ph up dissolves into the water
you will notice it becomes like lil bubbles in the water, almost like when oil mixes with water
it will then slowly start braking into the water raisin the pH a lil as it brakes into the soup
rule of thumb - you always want to pH after you added all your nutes!
hope this make sense

girls looking great, maybe lil over watered!

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Hey SOG, Thanks for the advice; I've not got much lighting at the resovoir lid, so i've never watched it, but i'll observe disolving PH with my light next time. I appreciate the rule of thumb. Thanks for stopping by, i'll be makin ya proud!

corngrower said:

I think 1/2 cup of fertilizer per gallon is a bit much, and I think for superthrive you only need one capful. Cut your nutes in half and see what happens. Did I read correctly that you are adding bloom ferts? If so, those are low in N, which is what is needed for vegging. If you are watering constantly, the plants just sit there and do nothing. Water once a day for 15 mintues right when the lights come on. You can tell that you might be over fertilizing because the pH drops so much when you add the nutes. It should go down, but if you start at pH7, it shouldn't drop to 4. If you are flowering soon, get the plants healthy and growing fast (the new stuff DOES look better) and when you decrease the ferts again you'll see a difference. Cut the old, bad growth off. You need new stuff to used as a metric, plus you need to know when you aren't using enough N (lower leaves will fade while plant keeps growing), at which point you can add more....slowly. Changes happen fast with hydro, and two days of backing off can make a world of difference, as you have already proven.
Keep monitoring, happy plants are just around the corner, and keep up the good work.

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Awesome, well i'm really excited of what's to come! sorry for the misleading info, I mixed a half a cup for 40 total gallons lol. The formula bottle instructed .5 tsp's per gallon for a 250PPM mix. I read somewhere on a thread here that clones loved the bloom formula, and it did well for my first set of clones; but I guess they are no longer clone cutlings anymore haha. Would it hurt to add the 1 part grow & 1 part bloom formula in the res together?

grodrowithme said:

there looking awesome bro

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Thanks man; I can't wait to switch to 12/12. I wish I had some more strains like you, I'm going to acquire a tolerance against this white widwos strain quick like I have this bag of mexican swag. I haven't smoked dank in like 2 years, just swag; yuck my lungs are black haha.

JustaFarmer said:

looks good man...GO BIG ot GO HOME!!! sucscribed...as i stumbled onto this i am wearing my highway 420 shirt with the sign and all...kinda funny...anyhow good luck ill be keeping an eye..wanna see how it turns out

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Sweet bro; thanks for joining the thread, i'm assuming that's a very mellow muchroom shirt you got there; It's really a great shirt, I was the happiest mug in the world when I signed up on this site, I'll try to bring as much scientific and informative data to the table as I can for everyone during this grow, I don't have any personal notes i'm keeping, so this will suffice. If you check out my 11/01 update on page 2, you can see this dream image that i've always fantasized with with fields of green. Mountain High



Today I welcomed some unexpected visitors reviving themselves on the leaves of in grow room. Supposedly these lady bugs are migrating this time of year and have found their ways into my grow room. I saw lots of dead ones outside, and these are still alive in the termperate conditions of my grow room. Anyway, I hope the 18/6 light stimulates their life cycle and keeps them alive.

Not much to update on really. My new mother in her new mother chamber 18/6 400W Metal Halide. Again, thanks for all yall's support; don't know what I would do without you.

Looking good in there man, and now you have some company to talk to when your in there. Just crazy how they got in there.

Nice looking mother dam shes almost looks ready for another batch of clones

Aside from the first pic, they are looking well on their way to recovery. Yes, the per 40 gallons makes a big difference, and there is no need to mix the bloom and the veg (in my opinion, i could be wrong). Just add the veg for now, and see what happens. And do try watering less. Roots in water aren't pulling oxygen in to the plant as fast as roots that are exposed to some fresh air. Just like leaves, when they are covered in water they don't do so well. The new growth in Pic 3 and the larger plants in pic four looks great, bigger roots systems, more growth. the plant in pic three has great looking shoots--new growth should look like a cluster of leaves of all sizes point up, with bigger leaves pointing up and out. That plant, to me, is the sign of healthy recovery. The mother looks much better, and you can see the tops and shoots are greasy and reaching for the sun when compared to the lower leaves (but I guess they are also getting less light). As the mother is under a weaker light make sure you water it only when it tells you it needs it, and ferilize at a weaker strenght, but use it more often. Does that make sense? It decreases the chance for overfertizling, and is a more balanced way of feeding. I'd say you've just about fixed the problem. Keep up the good work, and you can tell you keep a close eye on your plants---crucial ingredient to a good grow.
I'll shut up.