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GypsyBush

GypsyBush

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So... other than creating the enzymes, we like beneficial bacteria because if they are not there, the punks will move in to the unoccupied space?
 
LoudBlunts

LoudBlunts

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GypsyBush said:
I guess I missed it...

Now.. they work so good if you have cold ass water...

The site says...

"Water approximately 20 degrees cooler than the room temp will reduce or even eliminate the need for a/c "

If you want to keep the temps in the mid 70s, it means you need mid 50s water.. and that is what the website says... you know.. best scenario type of marketing...

So either you use a chiller of some sorts (which means more power being used... possibly lots more) or you live in a place where the water is super cold...

What's your solution?
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you will need a chiller. passive chilling just will not work. only product that passive chilling works on is their hydrogen watercooled co2 thing...and even then you need a res of 100 gallons plus. the 1000watts of heat transferred in the water will just be too much for passive cooling, well i think so...but i guess everybody's mileage will vary

the most optimal method is 25-40 gallon res with a 1/4 (1/3optimal) hp res chiller, putting an icebox per each 1000watter.

it may seem over the top, and initial overhead may be deep. but when you look at a/c cooling cost vs res chiller cooling cost, you are winning alot more. It kills 2 birds with 1 stone, completely removing heat off the 1000watter and keeping your grow area 10 degrees higher than the water chiller set temps. This also allows you to add more lights without worry about heat.
 
LoudBlunts

LoudBlunts

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GypsyBush said:
So... other than creating the enzymes, we like beneficial bacteria because if they are not there, the punks will move in to the unoccupied space?
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tbh, i didnt know my cannazym was a bacteria that created enzymes, i thought it was just enzymes.

i use enzymes to reuse and recycle my coco medium

as far as beneficial bacteria.... i like those because i ran outta h2o2 and that was my only other option at the time.... I also found out that h2o2 wasnt the only thing that could keep pathogens at bay. Turned out a rack of beneficial bacteria reside in hydroguard and keep all that root rot and stuff at bay

and last but not least, your theory is right too. the punks can and will move into an 'unoccupied space' if ya will. however it is more difficult for bad to takeover when alot of the good has colonized and vice versa
 
GypsyBush

GypsyBush

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I see...

I have access to really, really cold water... comes out of the pipe without the need for a pump... not sure what the flow is, but I could easily "exchange to waste"... with just a bit of plumbing...


but then again, if I want AC, I can just open the window...lol...

Thanks for sharing.. If I am ever in a hot place, I will totally DIY a few of those... it is just a radiator after all... lol..

Cheers...
 
GypsyBush

GypsyBush

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Holy shit! chillers are a thousand bucks?!?!?!?

and pull 800 + watts?????

That is crazy!!!!

But I guess cooling is not cheap... shit.. neither is heating... I have paid up to $12 a gallon for heating fuel... (diesel)... and we run stoves 9 months of the year... plus the woodstove...lol... not funny, but I am still LOLing....
 
LoudBlunts

LoudBlunts

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LOL!!!

yea...well i found a 1/3hp chiller for like 500 on sale.

it only pulls 5 amps

plus i just want some more cool gadgets
 
GypsyBush

GypsyBush

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another post worth quoting... kinda re-inforcing the poin.. i guess..lol...

BCtrippin said:
http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_AquariumPage~PageAlias~chillers__index.html

This is what you would be looking for. Something like a 1/2 or 3/4 HP chiller would be overkill for 1-2 lights, but would leave a TON of room for expantion to watercool anything in the grow room. Lights, Res, Intake, Exhaust. All could be ran off 1 single chiller to replace the AC all together.

The thing I like most about them, with aircooled hood you eliminate all that ducting. Which potentially means you could seal off your grow room 100%, have a single exhaust fan that comes on at night or if it gets too hot, and inject pure c02 without ever wasting any of the c02.\\

And you could still have an AC in the room, but you would only need to use it when absolutely necessary. The problem I find with AC is also they lower humidity, so if your needing to run your AC a lot, your humidity is going to be really low all the time.


:peace:
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GypsyBush

GypsyBush

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all I can say is WOW....

Cotyledons said:
Update, there is a small quantity of heat exchangers for the top of the HydroGen.

Here are a couple shots of a grow using Ice Boxes , they are working so well that the room can actually made too cold! Remember that you must have the air go through the reflector then blow through the Ice Box , not through the Ice box first.



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BCtrippin

BCtrippin

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Man I love that!! That Totally solves the major issue for me with the water cooling. I was thinking you would need a radiator and vortex style fan for Every Light...all those fans would be loud and pull a lot of power....But fuck...I didnt even think of running lights in line..:wall: ... 1 fan on the end but putting just radiators between each light, that would be perfect!


:peace:
 
doogleef

doogleef

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LoudBlunts said:
calm down buddy

my opinion was asked for so i gave. no need for the 'i grow weed, not enzymes' smart ass comment. that is the second time you've said that and yes i feel that was a cheap shot...as nobody asked/talked about enzymes except for me and GB, not greyskull. with all due respect, growing enzymes????? where they do that at?

i've explained my reasons for using enzymes. i reuse my coco. and enzymes allow me to. do i knock your dirt? i wont go on about negatives about soil/dirt. its all relative bro. calm down...50 million ways to skin the cannabis cat. No need to force one way or the other...nor any need to knock another alternative (ESPECIALLY, if you have not tried it yourself).
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doogleef said:
take the florashield out of that equation and GH is the least expensive by quite a bit. I love my chemicals. I grow weed not enzymes.

AN 3-part is over-priced. I've heard good things bout the sensi-2 part but it is pricey.

Greyskull. Start with the Lucas/GH formula and go from there. Use the FloraNovaBloom at 8ml/gallon. Thats it. It won't do you wrong. You can add whatever but you do not have to.
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Wow. Still love you, LB. :hug:Here is some cream fer that chapped ass of yers. :hump:

It was in no way a crack at how you choose to grow. Just an off-hand comment that was not directed at anyone. Just my opinion. I was giving it just like you. You like the targeted approach, I just nuke it all. Either way we get killer bud.

I do suggest removing the tight panties though, bro.
 
GypsyBush

GypsyBush

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well, we hashed that one out... lol..

How about these...uh... pH mini doser

http://www.amhydro.com/index.php/Grower-Gear/pH-Mini-Doser.html

Any Thoughts???




Isn’t it about time to unchain yourself from your nutrient reservoir?

Introducing the AutoGrow pH Mini-Doser controller. This little beauty begins life as a simple and inexpensive nutrient pH monitor that gives you a continuous readout of your nutrient's pH levels. With standard features such as a built-in alarm, temperature compensation and an easy-to-read LCD display, the pH Mini-Doser is an excellent value.
The pH Mini-Doser may be used as a simple pH monitor or by adding solenoid valves or pumps (available as a complete kit), it becomes a fully functional dosing system. The controller senses fluctuations in pH and will add either acid or alkali (to lower or raise the pH).
 
doogleef

doogleef

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Hey Gypsy,

That would be cool if you are anal about ph. Mine wanders from 5.5-6.1 with no worries so a doser to keep it at 5.8 seems a little overkill but there are those who say 5.8 always, like Al B.
 
BCtrippin

BCtrippin

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GypsyBush said:
well, we hashed that one out... lol..

How about these...uh... pH mini doser

http://www.amhydro.com/index.php/Grower-Gear/pH-Mini-Doser.html

Any Thoughts???
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I want one.

Im going to be building the ultimate fresh water res once I get my mortgage. This will help a lot.


It takes a long time to RO water, so I would like to have a large amount of fresh ROed water at all times.

Its a pretty simple concept. I will have a RO and charcoal filter hooked up. strait to my main Fresh water res. I will use a dual float valve system, one will just be redundant, or will be for an overflow to a second res.

With this little bad boy though I will be able to have a Constant PH at all times. Very nice find. I like the dosing kit too, genius.


:peace:
 
GypsyBush

GypsyBush

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I just hate going up and down stairs with my leg screwed up like this...

I am at a point that the only thing that changes in the 2 weeks is the pH...

I would love to just shut the door and forget about it for a change... lol...

I am experimenting with redundant pumps for my trays... in case of failure... I have had 2 pumps crap out already...

The eco pumps I have can be connected in series so I am putting...

pump A >>>> pump B >>>>> T fitting>>>> trays

So if either pump fails, the other will still fill the trays...

Any suggestions on that plan?
 
BCtrippin

BCtrippin

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Seems pretty strait forward, as long as it pump A wont stress pump B if pump A fails.

It would be pretty shitty if one failed and seized up and put stress on the second one and just cause it to fail.

Are they designed to be able to put inline like that?


:peace:
 
LoudBlunts

LoudBlunts

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doogleef said:
Hey Gypsy,

That would be cool if you are anal about ph. Mine wanders from 5.5-6.1 with no worries so a doser to keep it at 5.8 seems a little overkill but there are those who say 5.8 always, like Al B.
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okay my fault. ill take your word for it.

and btw GB, i quoted this cuz doogleef is right..lol

wow...all that shit is nice and dreamy, but i have no money for that shit yet and i couldnt imagine lacing each 4 res with one of those..... talking 4-5 grand easy.

get your nutes in check and nutes will stabilize. promise you. sometimes i dont even check my pH for two days cuz i know its stablized
 
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