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I Hate Cloning
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stoneruk
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No way is aero cloning more complicated, it's the easiest cloning method ever!
Cut clones, place in aero cloner that has just water in it (or if you wanna go nuts add some rhizotonic) leave them for a week, come back and you have roots! There is no easier method.
Butthead08
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when you said "spray your mother" before cutting reduces welting. what do you spray it with?
Serapis
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Sorry, yes plain water. Will get the soon to be cuttings nice and hydrated right at the source and eliminate any wilting at all basically. I used to get wilting going right to clone machine. Usually they would perk back up over night but sometimes they would stay wil.ted for longer. Started giving them a nice misting right before taking cuts (like 5 min) and now they never wilt.
Goldowitz
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I use Clonex and put my cuttings in small RW cubes. IMO 15-20g is ideal for the cubes. My cuttings average out to be 5g, so I want my cube + cutting to weigh 25g. I water twice a day using a digi scale and a spray bottle. All cuttings are placed on a seed flat with a humidity dome that has adjustable vents and a heat mat set to 84. For me, the hardest thing to get down was knowing how much humidity to have. For example, my cuttings need a lot more the first few days then they do the last few. Also temp and humidity outside will dictate how I adjust the vents. I like to spray the mothers before taking the cuttings and when I take the humidity dome off to water them. The water I give my clones has hygrozyme, LK and mild nutes. Also, don't forget to give your clones 12 hours of darkness after cutting them. I have been doing it this way for over three years and get 90-100% success with plenty of roots within 10-14 days. This method works great for me, but we are all different. Try a few ways and stick with what works for you.
greenlanter
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high humidity in the mother plants enviroment help the tissue cell to break down , iam bake i hope i made sence...
Looks good. 84 degrees ? Isnt that a bit hot ? How do you regulate the temp (where do you place the heat sensor)? I put my sensor right into one of my cubes to give a accurate temp reading.
You water 2 times a day? Even from the very start ? Man I never water mine more then once every 2-3 days. Interesting and it seems to work very well for you.
Recently I had mine to humid and got a lot that died off and got mold on them
I like the clone machine the best excelt for when the power goes out
Goldowitz
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I read ABF's thread a while back and he said 86 degrees, so I don't feel that 84 is to hot.
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/15030-batch-clones-rockwool.html
I have my heat mat pluged into an adjustable controller and I set my sensor the same way that you do. I feel that is the best way to get a good reading. I live in a dry location so that might have something to do with the watering. I learned that during the summer, if I don't water twice a day my cubes will go dry and the cuttings will die. I have had problems with to much humidity and M*** also. When that happened I just killed all the cuttings and cleaned my equipment, to end the problem right away so that future cuttings would not get it.
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/15030-batch-clones-rockwool.html
I have my heat mat pluged into an adjustable controller and I set my sensor the same way that you do. I feel that is the best way to get a good reading. I live in a dry location so that might have something to do with the watering. I learned that during the summer, if I don't water twice a day my cubes will go dry and the cuttings will die. I have had problems with to much humidity and M*** also. When that happened I just killed all the cuttings and cleaned my equipment, to end the problem right away so that future cuttings would not get it.
Looks good. 84 degrees ? Isnt that a bit hot ? How do you regulate the temp (where do you place the heat sensor)? I put my sensor right into one of my cubes to give a accurate temp reading.
You water 2 times a day? Even from the very start ? Man I never water mine more then once every 2-3 days. Interesting and it seems to work very well for you.
Recently I had mine to humid and got a lot that died off and got mold on them
I like the clone machine the best excelt for when the power goes out
legalizeitcanada
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dude i was having the same problems......i had a hell of a fucking time, here's what i did and it worked!
I bought an aquarium heater, the smallest and set it to 78 degrees, I set my water level 1" - 1.5" below the stems, I placed the cuttings in my bottle of cloning gel for about 1min - 3min, and then placed them in the bubbler, I also added a drop of the gel to the water and mixed it in, I'm using well water so nothing special there, and low and behold 5-7 days I had roots! hope this helps!
I bought an aquarium heater, the smallest and set it to 78 degrees, I set my water level 1" - 1.5" below the stems, I placed the cuttings in my bottle of cloning gel for about 1min - 3min, and then placed them in the bubbler, I also added a drop of the gel to the water and mixed it in, I'm using well water so nothing special there, and low and behold 5-7 days I had roots! hope this helps!
Wow, okay I'll try that. My 120 site EZ cloner is usually around 74-78 degrees. I'll drop a heater in and see how it does at 82-84. I have a batch of clones on aheat mat right now at 75 degrees, I'll raise that up as well. Its weird because when I touch the medium it feels warm at 75.
Whats the best humidity level that you found anyway ?
Beansly
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I would give you rep if i could cause you are absolutely right. You really just need to put in what ever you do to keep the humidity up and leave them alone. Except for the first day where you gotta kinda keep an eye on them, I learned to only check my clones once in the morning and once at night and not to fiddle with them.
And don't up on your clones without a fight. They aren't dead until the leaves are shriveled and dry.
Goldowitz
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I don't have any experience with the EZ cloner and I believe that ABF's recommendation of 86 is just for RW cubes on a heat mat. If you raise your water temp that high you might run into unexpected problems. I know that bad microbes like hot water temps. The ideal humidity will depend on many things, possible even the strain that you are growing. I had SS AK47 for two years before starting DP WW. The AK47 did not need a lot of humidity, but my WW does. I had cuttings of both strains under the same dome and while the AK was doing great, the WW were wilting so I had to add more humidity. Overall my WW are very sensitive, the AK was moderate and the SS NL that I had for my first ever grow years back was very tolerant.
If you have to much humidity it can stunt the root growth and M**D can become a problem, but if you don't have enough, the cuttings will begin to wilt. If I was going to find the ideal humidity, I would adjust the vents so that 50% of the dome has a fine layer of moisture on it. If the moisture is forming water drops, that is to much. That sould be a good starting point and you can make adjustments after that. I also like to give them more when they are freshly cut and for the first few days, then cut back to my normal level. It took me a good year or more to be able to read the cuttings and know how to make adjustments with the humidity, so just take your time, experiment with different ways and have fun with it. I hope this helps.
G
If you have to much humidity it can stunt the root growth and M**D can become a problem, but if you don't have enough, the cuttings will begin to wilt. If I was going to find the ideal humidity, I would adjust the vents so that 50% of the dome has a fine layer of moisture on it. If the moisture is forming water drops, that is to much. That sould be a good starting point and you can make adjustments after that. I also like to give them more when they are freshly cut and for the first few days, then cut back to my normal level. It took me a good year or more to be able to read the cuttings and know how to make adjustments with the humidity, so just take your time, experiment with different ways and have fun with it. I hope this helps.
G
Ive been using a DIY aero-bubble tote for about three months and havent lost a clone yet. Heater set at 72 degrees. I use recomended dose on clonex bottle for three days and a tsp per gallon of super-thrive after that and transplant in a week with 11 inch roots. Had good luck with rapid rooters and a dome once i used a heatmat and put a layer of small perlite in the flat, 100% humidity misted twice a day for first two days. then misted one a day. gradually letting more air in till i remove the dome completely in three days from start they were done in two weeks with two inch roots. I topped the six plants going into flower on the 2nd by just cutting at 45 angle and put in cloner,no gel, and i put in gallon pots yesterday with 14 inch roots. 24 hour lite cycle, at 76 degrees.
Serapis
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It's fine to run a EZC at those rez temps; however; you need to manage pythium before it causes stem rot and slimes the water. I have been using the chlorine in bleach to control organisms and it is working great. My 30 site takes a 1/4 tsp of bleach to maintain a ppm of around 1-2. I use a pool test kit with drops to read chlorine content. When it falls below 0.6 ppm, I add another 1/4 tsp. You can also use pool shock and mix your own, however that is a much higher available chlorine content and you need to dilute it down to about 4-5% available chlorine. One gallon of Clorox should last a hobbyist grower several years.
Wolverine97
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Roots Excelurator. It will control pythium.
Serapis
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Wolverine97
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Um, I don't remember exactly because I switched to GH Rapid Start (same thing). The GH I use at 1.5 ml/gal, if I recall the RE was about the same.And how much is that a gallon?
Serapis
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I like the low cost of chlorine. I add powdered hormone as well. Clear Rez, made by EZC has a slight bleach smell, a chemical analysis showed chlorine was in it. That was what got me searching for bleach in reservoirs. Fatman (I wish he wasn't banned 
) had a great thread about chlorine and reservoirs. it sure beats a water chiller or swapping frozen bottles.
) had a great thread about chlorine and reservoirs. it sure beats a water chiller or swapping frozen bottles.
Wolverine97
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Yeah, but Roots Excelurator and GH Rapid Start do soooo much more than just control root rot. Since I started using them (either one) my rooting time is drastically reduced, and the quality and quantity of roots don't even compare. You could use that product alone with no cloning gel and still have good success. Good luck doing that with bleach.I like the low cost of chlorine. I add powdered hormone as well. Clear Rez, made by EZC has a slight bleach smell, a chemical analysis showed chlorine was in it. That was what got me searching for bleach in reservoirs. Fatman (I wish he wasn't banned