I need help pinpointing a deficiency.

thunder99

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after researching my Cannabis Grow Bible i believe my ladies have a Nitrogen or Phosphorus deficiency, or both or others.
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii107/jtthunderbolt/1008102140-00-1.jpg
what do you guys think?

Also theyre showing a little light brown on certain roots. I will get some SM-90 next week to help it. unless anyone know of cheaper home remedies.

Should i be concerned about root rot?
 

keep it real.

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she looks over watered which means you don't have enough oxygen in the water try and get more rock stones. also looks like you have a little to strong of nutes in there with the leaf tips curling down try and do some foiler feeding and watch your ph 5.3-5.9 i hope i was to any help =]
 

thunder99

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I have a 950 GPH sunleaves air pump. bubbles fly out through the top of the buckets when i take out the net pots, so i think thats sufficient.

I did have a few fluctuations in PH but ive got it under control now so if that was the issue i hope to see improvement.

Check this out. http://books.google.com/books?id=fERzFsZhdxYC&pg=PA257&lpg=PA257&dq=jorge+cervantes+nutrient+deficiencies&source=bl&ots=t0VxduLCOr&sig=rHGpMLZukaWEIC6x5LMK1sR0G_o&hl=en&ei=zRaxTPisEIjMngf_m6CfBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCMQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false

look over the first few pages of Jorge Cervantes Grow Bible on that page. i have this book and i thought my leaves matched symptoms for N and/or P deficiencies.

do you guys think my leaves look like those in the book?
I WANT OPINIONS!!!

thanks for any and all input!!
 

Mother's Finest

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Your problem is broad-spectrum because the entire plant is yellowing & wilting. If only new growth was yellow then you'd be looking at a possible N deficiency. Single-nute problems don't really cause whole-plant yellowing or wilting like that.
 

Snow Crash

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LOL! Over-watering in a DWC... HAHAHAHAH! Sure...

The problem you're experiencing is a magnesium deficiency. There are many ways to get a magnesium deficiency, so let us cover the bases.

Firstly we have pH. Low pH (especially the kind found in hydroponics) can have a negative effect on magnesium uptake. You need to make sure you keep your pH stable at 5.5. If it goes anywhere, up is a good direction. Below 5.5 and you get this kind of problem on some strains.

Next there are nutrient toxicities. Excess Calcium or Potassium are going to compete with Magnesium for uptake. Sulfates can make it worse, so Epsom salts are not always the answer. More nutrients might make the issue worse, and fresh water flushings will only leach more nutrients from the plant. After checking the pH you should then check your water hardness level. If the water isn't hard cut your Calcium supplement (if any). If the problem continues into new growth, or if you see calcium deficiency, then your issue is probably potassium. Maintain a balance with your nutrients through out the process, never excluding anything but trying to find the culprit all the same.

The reason you are seeing Nitrogen-esque issues has to do with nitrate mobility with magnesium. The two generally show up together, but nitrogen shortages are uncommon with nearly all nutrient systems so long as your ppm levels are correct and you're following closely to some kind of schedule.

I find many Skunk related genetics require a little extra Magnesium during week 3 to 4 of growth. Then again during the first two weeks of flowering, and again in weeks 4 and 5. I'm learning that Magnesium is in high demand during certain times with certain strains and maintaining the balance of pH and other positive elements (Ca+2, K+1) in your solution. Without the magnesium you need you'll see interveinal chlorisis, the yellowing and eventually necrosis of the "meat" of the leaves. This is because Magnesium is the most crucial element to chlorophyll and the production of energy. Without it the chlorophyll burns up and dies out. Hard water associated deficiency is usually accompanied by a potassium deficiency (curling of the ends of leaves). I didn't see that, which is why I'm leaning towards pH fluctuation. High temperatures and high humidity can reduce transpiration rates as well, allowing the immobile element Calcium to build up while other more mobile elements are consumed.

Still, I think the problem is pH related. If it isn't, then Calcium. Then Potassium.

A solution to your issue would be to use a product like Organicare Huvega as a foliar spray. Applying the magnesium from this organic source directly to the leaves can quicken the recovery and reduce the long term damage to the leaves that have suffered.

Expect the problem to get a little worse even if you fix it immediately. These things take time. Concentrate on keeping new growth healthy and dialing it in with the nutrients. If the problem is "genetic" you'll see it clear up without changing anything at all. But be ready to pound with with magnesium in flowering.
 
look im lookin at the pictures u put up and your havin a ph problem so get that fix and u should be ok..and also double check and make sure those gurles are getting air just in case..
 

thunder99

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my PH was fluctuating, but just a little. i was dumb and try'd to get by with a $20 Ph pen.

I never dropped it in water but it started to act funny so i popped the cap and there was condensation inside. now ive dried it out and its good for one test, then i have to turn it off or it gets goofy. I am using GH drip test kit in a combined effort with my busted pen. it has been working well so far.

the tent has good ventilation. 256cfm duct booster and an oscillating fan blowing them around.

I think every plant has less curl in their leaves, also the most growth overnight thus far. Ill post a few photos later.

Thanks alot fellas.
 

bonjo78

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After checking the pH you should then check your water hardness level. If the water isn't hard cut your Calcium supplement (if any)
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i bet he uses tap water or atleast the r/o system he takes the water from is not working anymore
 
yea probably i dont think he set his water before putting the gurls in..cause u noe ur meadium always changes ur ph lvl up it gives it ph swings in can happin in 1 day..and have u started feeding ur plant yet how old are the gurls???cause now that i looked over you have a N deficiency...
 
she looks over watered which means you don't have enough oxygen in the water try and get more rock stones. also looks like you have a little to strong of nutes in there with the leaf tips curling down try and do some foiler feeding and watch your ph 5.3-5.9 i hope i was to any help =]
its not overwatering.. they wouldent be shownig that light green as they are..
 
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