I want to start growing but i do not know where to begin

I would like to start growing the strain i would like to start with is a low ryder or northern lights. but i would like to know what all to buy to get my grow room started. i will be growing n my closet. I am on a budget and not looking to spend no more than 150 to 200 to get started with. I only want to start with 2 to 3 plants plz send me feedback anyone with experience:blsmoke:
 

Nocturn3

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The main things people will need to know is the dimensions of your closet, and whether you will have the ability to properly ventilate it. Also, how much you smoke on average, and whether you intend this grow to supply enough so you don't have to buy weed again, or if you are just doing it for fun.

There are many options if you just want a cheap grow, but with this hobby you get out of it what you put in.
 

Nocturn3

Well-Known Member
One more thing that will factor into people's advice for you is stealth. Is smell or noise likely to be a problem?
 

itsgrowinglikeaweed

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Just read man. Keep reading. All the info you need is at your fingertips. Keep studying. Read read read and you will be successful. Its only difficult if you make it that way. If you try to grow your plant you will probably have problems. If you just provide the proper environment and let your plant grow itself you'll be much better off.
CFL's work VERY VERY good. On your budget you're going to be using CFL's. There is a CFL forum in the Indoor Growing forum. Check that out, and read any post you see by Roseman.
I also recommend that you learn the difference between organic growing and chemical growing, and I hope you make the right choice. Good luck. Peace.
 

Nocturn3

Well-Known Member
On your budget you're going to be using CFL's.
Not necessarily. I think you could set up an HPS grow for less than that, if you cut a few corners.

I don't live in the US so i'm not sure how much you pay for stuff, but a google search turned up a few HPS flood lights up to 400 watts for less than $100. It's an easy job to remote ballast one of these, and turn it into a grow light.

For extraction, if smell isn't an issue, axial "duct boster" fans are insanely cheap, and will get the job done, provided there is not much resistance (short duct runs etc.). If odor control is needed, a fan with a little bit more "oomph" is recommended, but it should still be do-able within the $200 budget
 

atrumblood

Well-Known Member
I started out with 1 cfl with reflector and clamp from home depot for about 10 bucks. if you cant get the hps. then cfl is the next best thing.
 

itsgrowinglikeaweed

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Thanks to Roseman, who initially posted this great info.
From Ed Rosenthal:

In the new Skunk Magazine there was a question in the "Ask Ed" section that just made my night last night when reading it...



The question was:

I intend to grow a single cannabis plant in a space 1' x 2'. What light would you recommend? I was think of using four 30-watt compact fluorescent lamps. Will this be enough? Cost isn't an issue but I am deterred from getting a high pressure sodium [light] because of the amount of heat the bulb produces.

Answer:

As you mentioned, you have several lighting systems to choose from, including compact fluorescents and high pressure sodium (HPS) lamps. Among HPS lamps you have a choice between a single 100-watt lamp which uses a total of about 120-watts and emits about 8,800 lumens(73 lumens per watt) or a 150-watt lamp, which uses about 180 watts and emits almost double that-15,800 lumens (87 lumens per watt).

A 42-watt compact fluorescent (CFL) emits about 2700 lumens(64 lumens per watt). Four 42 watt CFLs use 168 watts and emit 10,800 lumens. Other size CFLs have a similar efficiency.

However, that is only part of the story. Plants use mostly red and blue light. Yellow and green light is of little use to them, so light that is emitted in these spectrums is wasted energy. Most of the light emitted by HPS lamps is in the yellow spectrum. Only a small amount of the emitted light is is in the orange or red spectrums, which plants use efficiently. Warm white fluorescents (2700 Kelvin) emit a greater portion in the red and orange sectors.
Although fluorescents produce only about 75% of the light per watt that the HPS does, the amount of light usable by the plant is equal or probably higher with the fluorescents. You may wish to experiment to see if adding a single cool white CFL to replace one warm white results in shorter, stouter stems and more vigorous growth. The reasoning is that warm whites don't emit much blue light, which the plants use for photosynthesis and to regulate their growth. The cool white bulb supplies the blue light.

My call for your unit would be to use several (three to five) CFLs with a total input of between 120-160 watts. Although the 150 watt HPS is a bit more efficient that the CFLs in total output, watt for watt the fluorescents provide as much useful light as the HPS lamp. Heat is another consideration. The HPS runs much hotter and emits more heat than the fluoescents.

Make sure to use reflective material around the garden so that any light escaping the garden is reflected back to the plants. Any light that doesn't get to the plant leaves is wasted.


Look at a lumen/watt ration of various CFL's. The higher the wattage of CFLs, the lower the lumen/watt ratio. This chart was submitted by Jerry Garcia, of RIU and edited for typos.

For example...

the 200w listed at 9250 lumens for a lumens/watt ratio of 9250/200=46.25

the 150w is listed at 7500 lumens for a l/w ratio of 7500/150=50

the 125w is listed at 6500 lumens for a l/w ratio of 6500/125=52

the 42w are listed for 2700 lumens, l/w ratio of 2700/42=64.28

I have some 26w that give off 1700 lumens for a l/w ratio of 1700/26=65.38

GE lists some 13w that give off 825 lumens for a l/w ratio of 825/13=63.46

So, according to these numbers the most efficient bulbs for growing are the 26w that emit 1700 lumens. If you used 8 26w bulbs (208 watts total) you'd be getting 13,600 lumens...4,350 more lumens than a single 200 watt cfl.

I suppose you need to purchase more sockets and cords and things to support 8 bulbs, but in the long run more lower watt CFLs seem like the way to go.
 

Nocturn3

Well-Known Member
Good info itsgrowinglikeaweed. However, people should note that Ed's reply was directed specifically to that guy's particular situation. Because his space was so small, he was limited to the lower wattage HPS lights, where the lumens per watt figure is lower.

It is true a 150 watt HPS may not yield that much more than the equivalent wattage of CFL. However, the same can't be said of a 250 or 400 watt HPS, which will outperform the equivalent wattage of CFLs easily.

I also disagree with the statement that CFLs produce less heat than HPS. The type of heat they put out feels more intense up close, but overall, CFLs will heat up your growspace more than the equivalent wattage of HID, since they are less efficient. HIDs also have the ability to be easily remote ballasted, unlike CFLs, which means less heat in the grow space.

I don't want this to turn into a CFL vs HID thread, since they each have their place in growing. CFLs are a viable option in very small areas, or grows with limited headroom.
 

brokeandwise

New Member
Not necessarily. I think you could set up an HPS grow for less than that, if you cut a few corners.

I don't live in the US so i'm not sure how much you pay for stuff, but a google search turned up a few HPS flood lights up to 400 watts for less than $100. It's an easy job to remote ballast one of these, and turn it into a grow light.

For extraction, if smell isn't an issue, axial "duct boster" fans are insanely cheap, and will get the job done, provided there is not much resistance (short duct runs etc.). If odor control is needed, a fan with a little bit more "oomph" is recommended, but it should still be do-able within the $200 budget
Correct! Depending on what he ha sin mind he can absolutely grow with hps for a $200 budget. HTG Supply is where I'd start. Also craigslist is a great place to find really cheap stuff.
 
i measured my closet with my guitar lol sorry no tape measures here so the height is about 10 ft the width is about 3 feet or so and the length is 3 ft so approx 6' h x 3' L x 3 ft W. but the the height will deduct about 4 ft because of the closet hanger thing.
 
ok well i dont want to end up payin 100 dollars for some stupid light are there any cheaper grow lamp kits? I just purchased my seeds starting with northern lights and i wanted to know what would be the easiest and fastest way to grow
 

Nocturn3

Well-Known Member
A shitload of household CFLs is probably the cheapest option, as far as setup costs. Just bear in mind that you will get less weed per watt of electricity used.
 

brokeandwise

New Member
ok well i dont want to end up payin 100 dollars for some stupid light are there any cheaper grow lamp kits? I just purchased my seeds starting with northern lights and i wanted to know what would be the easiest and fastest way to grow
"SOME STUPID LIGHT" OK. Well tell you what. just go buy all your cfls and splitters you want. Spend about say $50 on your lighting. Then I can go buy a 70w hps and blow your cfls away. PERIOD. You asked the question on what to buy with your budget. People here like myself spend our time answering people like you. If you don't want a 400w hps that will give you WAY more bud then what you already have, then don't ask the question.
 

Brick Top

New Member
I am not saying purchase from HTG, or not to purchase from HTG. I only used it for an example of pricing and what you can get for that price.
 
$119.95 HTGSupply 400 watt High Pressure Sodium Grow Light. For $45.00 more you can add a MH conversion bulb for vegging.
 
400 watt HPS Grow Light HPS system

An incredible value, this High Pressure Sodium 400 watt grow light system includes a top quality HPS ballast, super efficient reflector hood and high performance lamp / grow light bulb. This is a better value in grow lights than you would find at any other hydroponics store.
 
LIGHTING BALLAST AND HOUSING

Dimensions: 9" long x 4" wide x 5.5" tall

The grow light ballast is a brand new REMOTE 400 watt HPS ballast, with an innovative design that separates the ballast core away from the capacitor and igniter components to provide high performance and long life. This grow light ballast is made to our specifications with high output lighting results for horticulture / hydroponics / indoor gardening use. The High Pressure Sodium grow light ballast also features a convenient retractable handle with large keyholes for wall or ceiling mounting options. The lighting ballast also has over-sized rubber feet for electrical safety and quiet operation. The 8 foot power cord and 10 foot light bulb output cords are constructed of the highest quality, heavy gauge industrial grade electrical cord usually seen on grow lights costing much more. The HPS ballast is pre-set and ready to plug into standard 110/120 household voltage, but can easily be changed to 220/240 volts. The High Pressure Sodium 400 watt High Pressure Sodium grow light ballast will operate any standard or horticultural 400 watt High Pressure Sodium lamps and 400 watt Metal Halide Conversion lamps. The universal socket set can be used with many other reflectors for future upgrades including air-cooled reflectors, umbrella style hoods or many other grow light reflector hoods, making this system a great value in hydroponic and indoor gardening lighting.
 
FOUR-SIDED HORIZONTAL GROW LIGHT REFLECTOR
 
Dimensions: 15.5" long x 12.5" wide x 6" deep
 
This quality grow light system features a lighting reflector hood that is a highly efficient FOUR sided reflector. This top of the line HORIZONTAL REFLECTOR is made from the HIGHEST QUALITY MATERIALS available! Specifically designed for growing plants indoors, this reflector incorporates a steel socket and reflector bracket, 5kv Pulse Rated Mogul Based socket and highly reflective polished aluminum reflector. The highly polished aluminum reflector has a mirror-like finish rated at 95% reflectivity for MAXIMUM LIGHT OUTPUT. This grow light reflector hood is built to last a lifetime and can easily be cleaned with common household window cleaner. The grow lights Horizontal lamp configuration design allows for the greatest light coverage over the top of your indoor garden area while providing the highest light intensity levels possible. It is widely recognized that the BEST design for horticultural and hydroponic reflectors is the HORIZONTAL REFLECTOR design incorporated with this reflector. Additionally, this versatile grow light reflector can be used as a 4 sided reflector or as a completely adjustable BATWING reflector. This grow light reflector hood comes with two heavy duty steel hangers to hang your reflector from and a 10’ cord from the reflector to the remote 400 watt High Pressure Sodium ballast housing

400 WATT HPS LIGHT BULB

This standard bulb emits 50,000 lumens with a rated life span of 24,000 hours.
Features:
  • 50,000 lumens
  • 24,000 hour rated life
  • mogul base
  • universal mounting position
 
WARRANTY FOR THE 400 WATT HIGH PRESSURE SODIUM GROW LIGHT

 
This quality grow light system features a fantastic warranty usually found with grow lights costing much more. The High Pressure Sodium 400 watt High Pressure Sodium grow light carries a 2 year warranty for the High Pressure Sodium ballast and components and a 1 year warranty for the High Pressure Sodium lamp. If you need any help or assistance with your purchase, feel free to contact our hydroponics and indoor gardening experts via phone or email.
Toll Free number: 1.866.710.GROW (4769)
Operators avialable Monday - Friday 9am-5pm EST.
 

Order



Select the reflector:
4 Sided Horizontal Reflector
MaxWing Reflector - +$35.00
Euro Reflector - +$59.00
QuadRay Reflector - +$63.00
Mini Sunsoaker Reflector - +$63.00
EasyCool 6 Reflector - +$80.00
Sunsoaker Reflector - +$93.00

Select the Bulb/Lamp:
Standard 400w HPS Bulb

Would you like to add an MH Conversion Bulb?:
No MH Conversion Bulb
AgroMax 400 Watt MH Conversion Bulb - +$45.00

Do You Need a spare HPS bulb?:
No Spare HPS Bulb
Standard 400w HPS Bulb - +$15.95

Would you like to add Sunrise Reflector Hangers?:
No Sunrise Hi-Low Reflector Hangers

Would you like to include a timer?:
No Timer

Would you like to purchase an extended warranty?:
Standard Warranty
Extended Protection – 4 year ballast warranty - +$25.00


Price:


Quantity:



 
 
 

brokeandwise

New Member
I am not saying purchase from HTG, or not to purchase from HTG. I only used it for an example of pricing and what you can get for that price.
 
$119.95 HTGSupply 400 watt High Pressure Sodium Grow Light. For $45.00 more you can add a MH conversion bulb for vegging.
 
400 watt HPS Grow Light HPS system

An incredible value, this High Pressure Sodium 400 watt grow light system includes a top quality HPS ballast, super efficient reflector hood and high performance lamp / grow light bulb. This is a better value in grow lights than you would find at any other hydroponics store.
 
LIGHTING BALLAST AND HOUSING

Dimensions: 9" long x 4" wide x 5.5" tall

The grow light ballast is a brand new REMOTE 400 watt HPS ballast, with an innovative design that separates the ballast core away from the capacitor and igniter components to provide high performance and long life. This grow light ballast is made to our specifications with high output lighting results for horticulture / hydroponics / indoor gardening use. The High Pressure Sodium grow light ballast also features a convenient retractable handle with large keyholes for wall or ceiling mounting options. The lighting ballast also has over-sized rubber feet for electrical safety and quiet operation. The 8 foot power cord and 10 foot light bulb output cords are constructed of the highest quality, heavy gauge industrial grade electrical cord usually seen on grow lights costing much more. The HPS ballast is pre-set and ready to plug into standard 110/120 household voltage, but can easily be changed to 220/240 volts. The High Pressure Sodium 400 watt High Pressure Sodium grow light ballast will operate any standard or horticultural 400 watt High Pressure Sodium lamps and 400 watt Metal Halide Conversion lamps. The universal socket set can be used with many other reflectors for future upgrades including air-cooled reflectors, umbrella style hoods or many other grow light reflector hoods, making this system a great value in hydroponic and indoor gardening lighting.
 
FOUR-SIDED HORIZONTAL GROW LIGHT REFLECTOR
 
Dimensions: 15.5" long x 12.5" wide x 6" deep
 
This quality grow light system features a lighting reflector hood that is a highly efficient FOUR sided reflector. This top of the line HORIZONTAL REFLECTOR is made from the HIGHEST QUALITY MATERIALS available! Specifically designed for growing plants indoors, this reflector incorporates a steel socket and reflector bracket, 5kv Pulse Rated Mogul Based socket and highly reflective polished aluminum reflector. The highly polished aluminum reflector has a mirror-like finish rated at 95% reflectivity for MAXIMUM LIGHT OUTPUT. This grow light reflector hood is built to last a lifetime and can easily be cleaned with common household window cleaner. The grow lights Horizontal lamp configuration design allows for the greatest light coverage over the top of your indoor garden area while providing the highest light intensity levels possible. It is widely recognized that the BEST design for horticultural and hydroponic reflectors is the HORIZONTAL REFLECTOR design incorporated with this reflector. Additionally, this versatile grow light reflector can be used as a 4 sided reflector or as a completely adjustable BATWING reflector. This grow light reflector hood comes with two heavy duty steel hangers to hang your reflector from and a 10’ cord from the reflector to the remote 400 watt High Pressure Sodium ballast housing

400 WATT HPS LIGHT BULB

This standard bulb emits 50,000 lumens with a rated life span of 24,000 hours.

Features:
  • 50,000 lumens
  • 24,000 hour rated life
  • mogul base
  • universal mounting position
 

WARRANTY FOR THE 400 WATT HIGH PRESSURE SODIUM GROW LIGHT

 
This quality grow light system features a fantastic warranty usually found with grow lights costing much more. The High Pressure Sodium 400 watt High Pressure Sodium grow light carries a 2 year warranty for the High Pressure Sodium ballast and components and a 1 year warranty for the High Pressure Sodium lamp. If you need any help or assistance with your purchase, feel free to contact our hydroponics and indoor gardening experts via phone or email.
Toll Free number: 1.866.710.GROW (4769)
Operators avialable Monday - Friday 9am-5pm EST.
 

Order



Select the reflector:
4 Sided Horizontal Reflector
MaxWing Reflector - +$35.00
Euro Reflector - +$59.00
QuadRay Reflector - +$63.00
Mini Sunsoaker Reflector - +$63.00
EasyCool 6 Reflector - +$80.00
Sunsoaker Reflector - +$93.00

Select the Bulb/Lamp:
Standard 400w HPS Bulb

Would you like to add an MH Conversion Bulb?:
No MH Conversion Bulb
AgroMax 400 Watt MH Conversion Bulb - +$45.00

Do You Need a spare HPS bulb?:
No Spare HPS Bulb
Standard 400w HPS Bulb - +$15.95

Would you like to add Sunrise Reflector Hangers?:
No Sunrise Hi-Low Reflector Hangers

Would you like to include a timer?:
No Timer

Would you like to purchase an extended warranty?:
Standard Warranty
Extended Protection – 4 year ballast warranty - +$25.00


Price:


Quantity:



 
 
He's not going to buy that bricktop...says its a "stupid light"
 
He's not going to buy that bricktop...says its a "stupid light"
whatever man when its ur money i can call it whatever i want to so plz remove urself from this post because u have not helped at all just critiqued.
But Noc I saw some lights im going to purchase something simple 3 cfl 2 are 6500k and a 2700k with two lamp clips do u thnk that would be sufficient for growing 2 northern light plants?
 
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