If Revolution Is Impossible, Why Do We Retain The Right To Bear Arms?

Winter Woman

Winter Woman

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I remember a number of years back the State of Tennessee wanted to institute a state income tax. Then it happened. The farmers started to show up on their tractors and then the people started to show up some where armed, some weren't.

In an interview they asked a farmer why he was there. He said something about letting them know that if they passed a tax that they would know who did it and they'd take care of those involved. We are not talking about 25 people, we are talking about more than just a few showed up. In mass they encircled the capital buildings and they didn't allow themselves to be cleared away.

The vote? Well, Tennessee doesn't have an income and it's been a while since anyone suggested it.
 
Johnnyorganic

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CaptainCAVEMAN said:
Title says it all. Revolution in America is impossible. It would be impossible to organize in complete secrecy an uprising against the United Statse government. Any such attempt would be fuitle and unsuccessful.

So, if the reason we have the right to bear arms is so that the government can never fully control us because it would fear uprising from it's peasants who are armed, then isn't the sensless murder of over 10,000 Americans every year by firearms unecessary?

On a side note, how do we get the governemnt to 'fear it's peasants rising up against it' again? Voting sure as hell doesn't do it...
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Your premise is flawed. Revolution is always possible.

Nor do revolutions require advance planning and organization. Planning and organization come later. What revolutions require is pressure.

Pressure in the form of oppression. Apply enough pressure and in time you have a powder keg. All that's needed then is a match. An event to set off the powder.

How many coppers or soldiers do you think would bash in the skulls of their fellow citizens? Plenty as long as they were well paid, right?

As such, why would anyone suggest we surrender the means to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government?

The American Revolution began because the British Army attempted to seize a citizen arsenal in Concord, located in a powder keg called Massachusetts in 1775.

The government does not grant me the right to bear arms. The government is there to merely guarantee that I have that right. The right itself is immutable, bestowed on us by the Creator (nature).
 
Flaming Pie

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Johnnyorganic said:
Your premise is flawed. Revolution is always possible.

Nor do revolutions require advance planning and organization. Planning and organization come later. What revolutions require is pressure.

Pressure in the form of oppression. Apply enough pressure and in time you have a powder keg. All that's needed then is a match. An event to set off the powder.
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IF the pressure is applied very slowly over tens of years, people tend to ignore it. I doubt any administration would be stupid enough to apply direct force too quickly.
 
dirtsurfr

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Revelution is or should be a Country wide week long strike, everyone calls in sick for the week.
That would bring the USA to their knees, don't worrie it's only going to effect the top 1% were the buck stops LOL!
 
Flaming Pie

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dirtsurfr said:
Revelution is or should be a Country wide week long strike, everyone calls in sick for the week.
That would bring the USA to their knees, don't worrie it's only going to effect the top 1% were the buck stops LOL!
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Umm.. how would that affect anything? Do you work for the top 1%? Really, how many people work for the top 1%.

And DUH, most of the richest people own stocks, property, and have a butt buddy-relationship with the federal reserve.

I don't think they care about a strike.
 
Johnnyorganic

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Flaming Pie said:
IF the pressure is applied very slowly over tens of years, people tend to ignore it. I doubt any administration would be stupid enough to apply direct force too quickly.
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I disagree. They may endure it, but it is not ignored.

No administration would apply direct force because such tyranny would not be tolerated by free citizens with the means to resist.

Ask yourself: Would a disarmed populace present a threat to any ruler?

Then ask yourself: Who would disarm us if they could?
 
Flaming Pie

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All I'm saying, is that they got us sucking their teet, and soon they'll take out our teeth. Dependent and defenseless.
 
Trolling

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DuplicatePie said:
The show does need to shape up a bit, but I don't think it's because of the reasons that you stated. The things they are carrying around are much more than flash drives, they're little personal power conduits. Yes, some people are talking online, but that's because they are in-the-know, and I'm assuming they're trying to find a way to fix things. Why they waited this long, who knows, but I expect they'll address that. I think you may have typed something other than you meant to say, because of course if nobody knows why shit shut down then they couldn't tell anyone about it. But if you meant that a few people know what happened and they for some reason can't tell people then I somewhat agree. It is strange that they would wait fifteen years to do anything about this if they had the power to fix it.

My two theories that I just came up with are: 1) If they went around telling people that they could fix things, then they would become targets, and bad things would likely happen to them. This could be fixed if they were to find a way to spread this info to everyone at once. Again, how they would do that I don't know, and this theory would need more thought put into it. 2) The people who know what's going on were trying to upset the balance of power, causing the downfall of the world government so that they could either take power themselves, or create some kind of more equitable distribution of power among the people of the world. This could explain why they waited fifteen years to do anything.
But, like I said, I just made these theories up off the top of my head, and it is entirely possible that neither of them have anything to do with what the writers of the show are intending.
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I really do hope they don't wait for it till like the last season to say, I mean it's not a bad show other than that and too much drama for my taste, so imma give it one season and see how things pan out.
 
ClaytonBigsby

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I for one am saddened that we as a country do not pay more attention and demand accountability from those we "elect" to represent us. Look at other countries, were they show up in the tens of thousands to make sure they are heard. Everyone here is so caught up in the Kardashians, wives of wherever, and "revolution" to even notice what is happening here and that it is unsustainable with no real chance in hell to be corrected. We are nearing the end of our rope but everyone keeps on keepin on. Shit will hit the fan here and it will not be pretty. Massive debt that keeps growing with no way to pay for it can only ride for so long.
 
Trolling

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I know what's happening here if that "revolution" was a crack at what some of us watch, I don't watch reality tv and when was the last "protest" you've been on?
 
TheChosen

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What the fuck do you hope to achieve by doing this. And by this, I am referring to your daughter. Are you looking for self-gratification, or continuation of the future. You will not find both. fyi



fye is closed. They went bankrupt, now where do I buy my cds?
 
DuplicatePie

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TheChosen said:
What the fuck do you hope to achieve by doing this. And by this, I am referring to your daughter. Are you looking for self-gratification, or continuation of the future. You will not find both. fyi



fye is closed. They went bankrupt, now where do I buy my cds?
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Are you referring to this thread, or to the TV show Revolution as 2-3 of us have done in a slight thread hijacking? I may have missed something if you're referring to this thread.
 
DuplicatePie

DuplicatePie

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Trolling said:
I really do hope they don't wait for it till like the last season to say, I mean it's not a bad show other than that and too much drama for my taste, so imma give it one season and see how things pan out.
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I also hope they don't wait until the last season to explain anything too major. I mean, it would be possible to answer all of the major questions that people have at this moment, and still have a show. Just because power is restored wouldn't mean that things would go back to normal. The rest of the show could be about what happens after the current questions/problems are answered/solved.
 
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