if we legalize it, i'll need a job

theotherc

theotherc

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Bio-Science would be a good field ..

think if it was open and legal. You still would have a base of buyers. I mean of course sales would go down, but not everybody wants to go through the hassel of growing. I mean tabacco is legal, how many you know grow and smoke? You can make your own beer, how many do you know only drink there own? Again it would lead to decrease sales, but Fdd you would always be a legend and why not have the masses growing your own strain or hybrid.
 
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mario60185

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pmgbns said:
If you could buy 24 joints in a pack for $5.99, then to make a profit you sell half at 2.00 a joint. What's to stop someone from buying a pack themselfs?

You really think it would be that cheap? I doubt it, Im thinking around double what we pay now.
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ph03nix

ph03nix

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fdd2blk said:
what would stop me from growing 200 pounds? or 2000? then what would it be worth?
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Well, that's what would stop you, isn't it? I mean, as a licenced grower, you're not going to flood the market if you want a good price, are you? It simply wouldn't be in your best interest.

In Aus, we pay about $25 for a packet of 50 cigarettes. Tobacco growers do fairly well, over all. Most of us seem to be happy to pay that, too. Don't you think that people would be just as happy to pay that much or more to buy their weed? I would. And, I'd probably be happy to pay a little more than we do now for the convenience.
 
pmgbns

pmgbns

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mario60185 said:
You really think it would be that cheap? I doubt it, Im thinking around double what we pay now.
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If it were legal the prices would drop. Not double. The reason it cost so much now is you are partly paying for the weed, and partly paying for the dealer to risk his neck for you. If it's legal, no one would need a dealer anymore(unless your a minor). I wasn't being literal with saying it will sell for 5.99 for a 24 pack. I would figure the goverment would leave it outlawed to grow, but legal to buy. Something like tabbacco now. Also, the prices would varie depending on the type of pot and type of company you are buying from. The only way the price of legal MJ goes up is if their is a massive shortage, sorta like it does not when a town goes dry.

Personally I think medical MJ is as far as America will be able to go with Cannabis. The majority of the nation is consirvitive and most conservitives are against pot.

I didn't realize til now that a 24 pack is just 4 grams off from being an Ounce. 5.99 was just used as an exaple, I think a better price for a 24 pack would actually be closer to 25 bucks or something, if it's swag, the better bud will be higher priced of course.
 
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NoNorthAmericanUnion

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I can't believe what I'm seeing a few people say, it's looking like a few people would like it to remain illegal the way it is because they think the govt. would make more money off of it, bullshit , they wouldn't. They (the Feds) know that if it were legal that the majority of people that use cannabis would start up their own personal closet grow op in mass numbers, in effect cutting out any reason for the govt. to get into the pot dealing business. It's too easy to cultivate, no one would buy it from the govt. , for the insane price they would charge when you could grow it for pennies on the dollar.

Also, where's the primary reason it should be legal..."to stop making criminals out of ordinary good people", the U.S. locks up more people than any other country.25% of the world's incarcerated people are locked up where?....in the U.S. and the U.S. only has like 5% of the worlds population, and for what?....drug related crimes, most of those cannabis connected.

The prison industry is a booming business, and these privatized prisons are sprouting up all over the place.There's no way they are going to listen to the people.The pharmaceutical industry would feel the hardest financial loss if cannabis were made legal, and they know it too, thats why they lobby politicians and support them with BIG payoffs to vote against cannabis legalization.

The main thing is, its evil locking up someone over drugs.Look at history, Cannabis was made illegal nationwide for the U.S. in 1937, and 23 yrs before that you had the Harrison Narcotics Acts. Before the 1900's men and women had always put into their body what they wanted without fear of losing their freedom, none of the anti-drug advocates ever talk about that, why must the masses be locked up all of a sudden when they had for HUNDREDS, even THOUSANDS of years used what they chose too.

I think we are getting close to having a 2nd American Revolution, and the govt. knows this, look at how U.S. troops are being deployed on U.S. soil slowly beginning Oct.1,2008.Most of this is stemming from the economy. The Obama administration will just continue on with business as usual, and whoever comes after him will be worse, the noose will get tighter and tighter around the necks of the lowly masses, unless theres a mass revolt, and it won't be pretty.
 
Gryphonn

Gryphonn

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pmgbns said:
If it were legal the prices would drop. Not double. The reason it cost so much now is you are partly paying for the weed, and partly paying for the dealer to risk his neck for you. If it's legal, no one would need a dealer anymore(unless your a minor). I wasn't being literal with saying it will sell for 5.99 for a 24 pack. I would figure the goverment would leave it outlawed to grow, but legal to buy. Something like tabbacco now. Also, the prices would varie depending on the type of pot and type of company you are buying from. The only way the price of legal MJ goes up is if their is a massive shortage, sorta like it does not when a town goes dry.

Personally I think medical MJ is as far as America will be able to go with Cannabis. The majority of the nation is consirvitive and most conservitives are against pot.

I didn't realize til now that a 24 pack is just 4 grams off from being an Ounce. 5.99 was just used as an exaple, I think a better price for a 24 pack would actually be closer to 25 bucks or something, if it's swag, the better bud will be higher priced of course.
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I have serious doubts that 'any' government anywhere in the world would go through the red tape and processes involved in legalising pot if they weren't going to tax it. I would also think that government taxes would be far higher than any current black-market 'risk tax'.

Realistically, if a western government was to legalise cannabis as a saleable item, the retail price would still be around $20 a gram, taking into account taxes, middle men and profit margins. Cannabis would arguably have a larger market than alcohol if fully legalised.

The losers of course, in a fully legalised scenario, may well be those who won't grow at reduced profit margins brought on by legalisation. You see, as it is, ALL the money goes to growers and dealers. Nothing goes to the government (if you discount fines and confiscated propertty from busts).

I still believe that boutique growers will reap good profits from quality weed. Not mexi-crap or low quality bush, but real good quality, well cured bud and well prepared hash.
 
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fdd2blk

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Gryphonn said:
I have serious doubts that 'any' government anywhere in the world would go through the red tape and processes involved in legalising pot if they weren't going to tax it. I would also think that government taxes would be far higher than any current black-market 'risk tax'.

Realistically, if a western government was to legalise cannabis as a saleable item, the retail price would still be around $20 a gram, taking into account taxes, middle men and profit margins. Cannabis would arguably have a larger market than alcohol if fully legalised.

The losers of course, in a fully legalised scenario, may well be those who won't grow at reduced profit margins brought on by legalisation. You see, as it is, ALL the money goes to growers and dealers. Nothing goes to the government (if you discount fines and confiscated propertty from busts).

I still believe that boutique growers will reap good profits from quality weed. Not mexi-crap or low quality bush, but real good quality, well cured bud and well prepared hash.
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we pay taxes on weed in cali. the state is getting their cut already. :blsmoke:
 
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mario60185

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You guys are thinking if its legal to smoke it will be legal to grow? Wrong! If it is legal to smoke in the us, and they let you grow, you will have a max number of plants you can grow. The gov. wont let you grow 200lbs of plants. They will want to make the money in taxes.
 
mane2008

mane2008

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Why would it be legal to grow I think it'll just be legal to smoke in the first place.
If they were to legalize it which ain't happing;)
 
CaRNiFReeK

CaRNiFReeK

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If pot were legalized it would be treated the same as all other agricultural products prduced in this country. There would be no loans given to the would-be pot farmer. There would not be excessive amounts of pot being grown to drive the prices down. The government would subsidize pot fields the same way that it subsidizes all other agri-products. They would pay farmers NOT to grow it. To a point. When you are a farmer, you don't really have a choice what you farm. The agriculture markets REGULATE themselves by paying farmers to grow or not to grow certain crops. One excellent, current example is hops. Right now you can ask any homebrewer about the availability and cost of hops. It is sky high because the government in all of is wisdom thinks it is better to pay the hop farmer to grow corn for ethanol instead of hops. (Since hops are perrinneal, I don't know how this works. You don't plow under an established hopyard to grow corn.) If there is a large enough surplus from last year, they may pay you not to grow wheat for a year or two. Or the market may offer you a better price for milo, soy, or oilseed crops. FDD would still need to look for a new job because pot can be grown anywhere. Good vineyards can only be had in a few places in the US, ie. Northern California. Therefore, there would be no market for weed in Northern California, and the grower would probably be penalized for growing pot. The pot, like wheat or corn or anything else does not magically harvest and sell itself to a hypothetical buyer. That's why you don't see too many grain elevators in central Florida. The agriculture in FL is focused on oranges, and the FL wheat farmer would have to freight his crop to Iowa or something in order to sell it, and that would not be worth the effort. Tobacco is very legal to grow in the United States. Anyone who doesn't think so should drive through Kentucky in the late summer/early fall. But you don't see too many orchards in Kentucky. There's another state you won't see too much pot being grown.

Hate to nay say, but this is the logistics and politics of farming. Look it up. A farmer who has a King's X to grow whatever they want from year to year is not a farmer. He is a GARDENER.
 
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Lord Bluntmasta

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mario60185 said:
You guys are thinking if its legal to smoke it will be legal to grow? Wrong! If it is legal to smoke in the us, and they let you grow, you will have a max number of plants you can grow. The gov. wont let you grow 200lbs of plants. They will want to make the money in taxes.
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If you were growing that much pot you'd probably be selling it as a farmer and it would be totally legal. If it was legal do you think the government is going to grow all the the pot?
 
The Son of Man

The Son of Man

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Lord Bluntmasta said:
If you were growing that much pot you'd probably be selling it as a farmer and it would be totally legal. If it was legal do you think the government is going to grow all the the pot?
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When you grow tobacco you have to lease a tobacco base from your state. The base is the total acreage of your tobacco production monitored by your local agriculture extension service. Weed would be handled the same way :)

When harvested all the weed would go to a auction house and sorted by quality and bid on by licensed wholesalers---who hold state licenses for distribution---this is when the tax stamp would be affixed and the governments get their money. Then it would be unloaded to Tobacco Roads and 7 elevens nation wide :)

Then different companies will start putting shit all over it like menthol and urea ,etc to serve ever growing nich markets.
 
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Lord Bluntmasta

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The Son of Man said:
When you grow tobacco you have to lease a tobacco base from your state. The base is the total acreage of your tobacco production monitored by your local agriculture extension service. Weed would be handled the same way :)
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Yes, I know that, but why would you grow 200 lbs of pot if you weren't permitted to be a farmer and it was legal anyway????

And what about indoor growing? How would that be handled? Nobody grows tobacco inside..

also I don't think it's illegal to just grow small amounts of tobacco
 
The Son of Man

The Son of Man

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Of course you could grow it for personal use, I'm just saying the government would use the tobacco system for commercial operations.

The government would use bases so the market wouldn't be flooded with weed---what a great problem to have in the future.

You would grow 200 lbs to sale on the market tax free just like people who bootleg---which is still going strong. 20% taxes or more is a lot of money :) But instead of people getting locked up for possession/dealing it would be for tax revenue violations.
 
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