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People hate on Kessil's but I like them. I've seen them grow some thick delicious ladies.
They do more for aquarium lighting now it seems, but they produce nice results for the size, price and heat output.

^^^They love the coral crowd more because they don't have to worry about RICO violations like with us !

Highocaine said:

Ah yeah, with 2m x 1m, 3 lamps will cover nicely.

Blackstar have a decent rep for output, but the quality can be a little China, and they have a reputation for breaking eventually. That said, many people have had their units for 5+ years without trouble. So, with the reduced price comes a bit more risk.

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Thanks alot mate helped me out there. aslong as I get a grow or 2 from them its all good they pay for themselves anyway in the end.

do you know how the yield will be if I use my normal set up I can get around 7oz a plant my only change is the lights but from what I've read I should b expecting less where as other people have told me ill be fine

FranJan said:

^^^They love the coral crowd more because they don't have to worry about RICO violations like with us !

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With their Dense Matrix tech they could have the market on LED's for growers.
The money / risk / reward doesn't add up to them I suppose.

I liked my h350 for the short time I had it. I would love to have a few on a spinner.

puffenuff said:

I liked my h350 for the short time I had it. I would love to have a few on a spinner.

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I was thinking of trading my Blackstar 240 for 2 H350's. One Magenta, one Deep Purple.
I already have an H350 Magenta, and I was going to add the others to my bloom room.
Move the BS240 for Veg. I dunno, I'm always thinking and remodeling.

dolamic said:

I was thinking of trading my Blackstar 240 for 2 H350's. One Magenta, one Deep Purple.
I already have an H350 Magenta, and I was going to add the others to my bloom room.
Move the BS240 for Veg. I dunno, I'm always thinking and remodeling.

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Never personally used blackstars, but id probably make that trade.

puffenuff said:

Never personally used blackstars, but id probably make that trade.

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The little I've used the Blackstar [Since November] it did well in veg, didn't excite me in flower.

I love these lights....I'm upgrading the 135s to 300 watters...and I can't bring myself to sell the 135s....I want them all....

cannabiscultivation said:

I love these lights....I'm upgrading the 135s to 300 watters...and I can't bring myself to sell the 135s....I want them all....


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Amazing pictures, but it seems the white case ones are not Blackstar LED lights.

I got some price quotes from the out of china makers of one of the styles of integrated LED lights, thought i'd share before people go buying same lights for almost double other places

300wintegrated LED Grow Light

VQ-GLIA300
660:630nm:600n
m:470nm:440nm:
380nm:730nm
ItemsParameters Items Parameters
UnitPrice
(usd/pcs)
Actualpower 300W (4x72W)
product
dimension
28.3*28.3*8.5cm
$380.00
InputVoltage AC85~264V lux 13388/1m, 6186/1.5m
Frequency50/60 Hz wavelength
red660nm,630nm blue
470nm440nm
orange:600nm
purple:380nmIR:730nm
Workingtemp. -20~40℃ Color ratio
Innerbox 39×35×14cm/1PCS Lighting area 28 M²/3m
G.W.5.5kg/pcs Lifespan 50,000 hours


240wintegrated LED Grow Light

VQ-GLIA240
660:630nm:600n
m:470nm:440nm:
380nm:730nm
ItemsParameters Items Parameters
UnitPrice
(usd/pcs)
Actualpower 220W (4x60W)
product
dimension
28.3*28.3*8.5cm
$332.00
InputVoltage AC85~264V lux
12211/1m,5218/1.5m,312
8/2m
Frequency50/60 Hz wavelength
red660nm,630nm blue
470nm440nm
orange:600nm
purple:380nmIR:730nm
Workingtemp. -20~40℃ Color ratio
Innerbox 39×35×14cm/1PCS Lighting area 25M²/3m
G.W.5.5kg/pcs life span 50,000 hours


200wintegrated LED Grow Light

VQ-GLIA200
660:630nm:600n
m:470nm:440nm:
380nm:730nm
ItemsParameters Items Parameters
UnitPrice
(usd/pcs)
Actualpower 172W (4x50W)
product
dimension
28.3*28.3*8.5cm
$302.00
InputVoltage AC85~264V lux
9643/1m,
4225/1.5m,2505/2m
Frequency50/60 Hz wavelength
red660nm,630nm blue
470nm440nm
orange:600nm
purple:380nmIR:730nm
Workingtemp. -20~40℃ Color ratio
Innerbox 39×35×14cm/1PCS Lighting area 20M²/3m
G.W.4kg/pcs Lifespan 50,000 hours
ShenzhenVanq Technology
Address:3/F, #B Building, DeBaoLi Industrial Zone, Shangxue Technology Park C,Jihua Road, Longgang District,
ShenzhenCity, GuangDong Pro., China 518129
Contact:Mark Tang email :vanqled12@vanqled.com msn :vanqled12@hotmail.comskype:vanqled12
Quotationsheet
Advantage:
1)Creatively integrated LED light source.
2)Optical glass lens+reflector. light intensity concentrates stronger
3)Unique modular design. 4pcs LED is controlled by 4pcs power driverseperately
4)Built in ventilation fans and seperate temperature monitor
5)High temperature protection function.
6)improved lighting focus effect, control lighting angle, substantiallyreduce photon loss, improving
utilizationrate of photon.
Notes:
1)PriceTerm: FOB(Shenzhen) Price
2)PaymentTerms: Paypal , Western Union or T/T in advance
3)DeliveryTime:3-15 days according your order
4)Warranty:2 years
5)TransportationTerm: By Express, by air or by sea
6)Validity:30days

^^^^^ I found Vanq to be a good company to deal with in my limited experience with them. Will even design a multichip LED for you to your specs for those who want to go DIY on their fitting/housing.

how well do they work?

Hey everybody I'm looking to buy led I have about $300 right now could you guys point towards somethin I'm in the u.s. so some light on the shipping I want to grow 4-6 plants . In a cab I built while each week adding more light

Hi guys , yep i am new... I have been reading but just registerd and i would like to get some suggestions. I am almost done ordering 150w Phantom unit(90 degree lens,multi function) from Cidly and my setup is this...

Deep Red: 660nm 26
Red: 630nm 16
Blue: 460nm 18
Orange: 610nm 11
UV:1 ( is this enough?)
White 5 ( What this should be at? 6500? 2700k? 12k?)
IR 1 ( is this enough?)
Out of 78 (Far red maybe? exchange with what tho?)
I am thinking about cutting off my 150=600 watt cfls (i have two and 1 extra that i dont use) and just veg/flower with this unit. For that i would like to hear your input.
Thanks.

INFO about my grow;
Closet grow with max 2 to 3 plants...i have 3 plants right now...
2 delta 9 brainstorm haze and 1 g13 blueberry gum all in biobizz soil.(all mix/light mix)
I am no where near a good grower , i actually burned my mother plants leaves with nutes.(still mad at my self) but i am learning. I only smoked twice in my life all in amsterdam. I need a phantom unit because of its auto timer(inside the unit) and heat shut off function. HPS and MH are out of my league because of the heat.This seems like a perfect hoby , its fun...pluss i like gadgets so buying a led is fun also.Money is ofcourse a topic, thats why i cant go for the above models.

vaulttec said:

Hi guys , yep i am new... I have been reading but just registerd and i would like to get some suggestions. I am almost done ordering 150w Phantom unit(90 degree lens,multi function) from Cidly and my setup is this...

Deep Red: 660nm 26
Red: 630nm 16
Blue: 460nm 18
Orange: 610nm 11
UV:1 ( is this enough?)
White 5 ( What this should be at? 6500? 2700k? 12k?)
IR 1 ( is this enough?)
Out of 78 (Far red maybe? exchange with what tho?)
I am thinking about cutting off my 150=600 watt cfls (i have two and 1 extra that i dont use) and just veg/flower with this unit. For that i would like to hear your input.
Thanks.

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For starters you have wayyy to much blue in the mix, plus that number of pure blue diodes are gonna give you the horrible effects of too strong blue light (bleaching and more fun)

The concensus at the moment, provided youre using modern LEDs, is that a good Warm White (~2700K) like a Cree XT-E or Oslon SSL, "fills in" a lot of the spectrum you need, while supplying enough blue and red, and being overall more efficient than coloured diodes.

if the WW in question were as above (I don't know which Cidly use) I would want pretty much half and half - WW leds (for blue, yellow, orange, red, a little deep red, and a little far red) and then Deep red leds.

Your next step is to get the spectral distribution chart for their warm white LED.

comments on your current setup....

Deep Red: 660nm 26 <-- you're on the right track with a nice bump of 660nm

Red: 630nm 16 < -- IF! the WWs dont supply the red (this is where their biggest peak is) this also good, you would want even more though.

Blue: 460nm 18 < -- too many blue photons bouncing around

Orange: 610nm 11 < -- filled out by WW if theyre good

UV:1 ( is this enough?) < --- mythical LED which does nothing (real UV leds cost thousands of dollars)

White 5 ( What this should be at? 6500? 2700k? 12k?) < --- you need to do some research here, but 2700k maybe with some neutral white or cool white thrown in the mix for more blue, though i don't think its necessary

IR 1 ( is this enough?) < ---heat LED? another mythical one

Thank you for your responce. With all due respect , i have no idea whats what. So i'll try my best to give my answer.
- Yes i have seen that ''too much'' blue light causes bleaching effect and causes slow growth but i didnt know whats ''too much'' and since i was going to veg and flower with the same unit , thats why i added that much blue. Thank you.

-No idea about the IR's and UV's...I tought there was a guy on this forum that tested the DIY farred /IR panel someone made and he said it works..thats why i added it.Also red about farred flash affect combo with deep reds on flowering and purple UV efffect blah blah.

- Orange + with two tone reds..i have added them because of this thing called emersons effect or whatever. White is also for that reason. It was in a forum that people were saying white leds combined with reds and oranges makes a great combination.

-About the whites...6500k is for veg,2700k is for flowering,12000k is for i dont know what...if i am not wrong.But they all carry a bit from each other? Okay.

*So i'll take away some blues and add them to regular reds? I still have no idea how much orange+white+blue enough for vegging so i dont know how much i should take away from the blues.

If you post up the info on the specific warm white LEDs they would be putting on your panel, I would be happy to post specific numbers for ya mate.

Phantom Grow LED Panel Light:
The warm white color temperature of 2650-3800K, the main wavelength for 3400Knm typical luminous flux of 1345lm. Blu-ray of a color temperature of 20000K, the dominant wavelength for 470K Typical luminous flux for 4.97lm.
This info i guess?Got it from Cidly site.

Are they really selling you a phantom grow panel from cindly?I though that unit was not available for US customers due to the exclusivity clause/contract with BLU as their sole distributor here. I forgot which member here couldn't buy any of the new panels, but that's the response he got supposedly.