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Snores

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Hi DadaInhale
I'm in the same market as you and are currently looking for similar lights. Over the last 3 months I've spent a bit of time in Akmlibaba, Ebay and various forums looking at budget LED panels.
Personally, I wouldn't touch that panel you posted with a 10 ft barge pole. Thats old style cheap shit mass produced panel. If you're going to use Alibaba go Bysen or Cidly lights.

http://m.ebay.com.au/seller?itemId=280913475214&sid=ledgrowlightmanufacturer-au

This guy has a rep for supplying decent cheapish panels on Reddits Microgrowery forum. Quite a few guys are using his panels there now.

I'm also looking at this supplier

http://m.ebay.com.au/seller?itemId=111182792830&sid=joyhydrogrow

mainly for the slightly smaller form factor. 2 of the other 300W panels wouldn't fit in my cabinet. But the build looks solid, spectrums ok, 5 yr warranty, solid feedback and apparently they will customise spectrum if you ask.

Best of luck ;)
 

DadaInhales

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Ahh thanks, I was looking at the joyhydrogrow not to long ago but forgot the name. So you have heard good things about their products (the 300 watt in particular)? Also couldn't find Bysen or Cidly light (store) on aliexpress. Thanks.
 
EH
can you school me on your red/white SGS VS the all white SGS? basically whats the difference in flower and veg between the two? If you've already covered that somewhere on here let me know the thread title por favor.

and 2 questions to everybody: i prefer to keep my electric bill to a minimum.
1. Am i a dummy to put a couple SGS' in my veg space that's a bit less than 2' wide and 6 ft long? head room is 4'.
2. or is it more efficient to run T5 fixtures in this veg?

thx doods
ah... 3 hans mother lights will do the job. seems perfect for what im working with thx
 

JohnNeedsMeds

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Ahh thanks, I was looking at the joyhydrogrow not to long ago but forgot the name. So you have heard good things about their products (the 300 watt in particular)? Also couldn't find Bysen or Cidly light (store) on aliexpress. Thanks.
Hey DI. The problem with the LED market is that EVERY Chinese seller claims to have the BEST product because of all the same reasons, ie: Best chips, best technology, best wavelengths, best spectrum, all best best best. It's funny for anyone to come on here and say, that panel is shit but these others are good because I read it someplace, is absurd. It sounds like more industry hype than anything else especially when the person making the claims has never used any of them personally. So, my advice is to go with your gut feeling and buy what you want, or better yet, check out the numerous threads here on RIU where growers are actually USING the lights they purchased and providing pictures and updates during the entire grow. Those you can trust to be accurate and if the panel is crap you will see it and know to stay away from it.

Sorry, I guess I have been watching the LED market for too long and it has made me a bit cynical about anything coming out of China and those who make unsubstantiated claims without a shred of proof. I wish you much luck with your continuing search. :)
 

DadaInhales

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Hi, Yes, all everyone has the best for all reasons, chineese or not. I just want a decent value for what I would like to spend ($200 max), not trying to go crazy getting into led. I am just going to use it to replace my 4 x 24watt t5/ho so I can use it for veg'ing.

Either way, I think I will go with the light I linked because the light I was considering that snores also linked had a poor review where the seller never responded. "BEWARE 300w LED LIGHTS ARE ONLY 3 BAND. NO IR CHIPS. FALSELY ADVERTISED. JUNK", that is the actual review, with no response.
 

JohnNeedsMeds

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Hi, Yes, all everyone has the best for all reasons, chineese or not. I just want a decent value for what I would like to spend ($200 max), not trying to go crazy getting into led. I am just going to use it to replace my 4 x 24watt t5/ho so I can use it for veg'ing.

Either way, I think I will go with the light I linked because the light I was considering that snores also linked had a poor review where the seller never responded. "BEWARE 300w LED LIGHTS ARE ONLY 3 BAND. NO IR CHIPS. FALSELY ADVERTISED. JUNK", that is the actual review, with no response.
Exactly my point DI! As for the panel, fortunately they will install whatever color in whatever combination you want and that is a very good thing.

Let's ask the forum for some input on the ratio of blue/red that should be used for flowering as well as the other colors that can be added from the list the mfg. has and what angle of reflectors would be best to use. Also important is the layout of the colors in the panel. They should be positioned so that each color is spread out proportionately throughout the panel which will give an even spectrum of the lights used over your plants' canopy.

So please everyone can you chime in here and help Dadainhales with these panel questions so he can make the right choice of wavelengths on his new LED panel? Thanks to all! :hug::-)

Here are the Panel specs everyone as well as the wavelengths and reflector angles that can be used:

[FONT=&quot]100pcs X 3W LEDs,9Band or custom.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]-Size:400x212x60mm[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- LED Chipset: 3W[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- Power consumption: 175W - 185Watt[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- Lumens: ≥6500 Lm[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- Emitting angle: all 90 degree [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Color Nm Leds.Qty [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Red 630nm 60 Leds[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Red 660nm 10 leds[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Blue 460nm 10 Leds[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Blue 450nm 4 Leds[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Yellow 580nm 5 Leds[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Orange 610nm 5 Leds[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]White 14000K 2 leds[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]white 6500K 2 leds [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Cyan 500nm 2 leds[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]-Body color: White (Default option)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Black (leave message or contact me for this body color)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]-Power Plug: Modular Power Cord (Available in UK, US, EU, AU)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]-Hanging Kit: Complete hanging kits supplied[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]-Worldwide Input voltage: AC85~264V[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]All emitting angle for option: 60/90/120degree

All Spectrum for option:
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[FONT=&quot]Red:630nm/660nm ; Blue:430nm/460nm ; Orange:610nm ;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]White:6500K ; Yellow:580nm ; Green:530nm ; Cyan:500nm ; [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Violet:410nm ; Infrared: 730nm/850nm.
[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]MCPCB and every leds has Votage-regulator diode to protect.[/FONT][/FONT]
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John [/FONT]:peace:
 

Shanty

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Disclosure of information: I imported my first off the shelves UFO 90W units in Nov 08. By Mid 09, I started to lay out the off the shelf lights to more my specs. That said, here is most of it in a nutshell, but I encourage those that disagree.

If you have nothing and you are thinking about indoor/greenhouse growing. I suggest LED. By time a nice digital ballast, wing, reflectors, decent bulbs, all in all it can be very close to the same price. If the LED lights offer you no trouble, you have about as long as the unit parts hold out. Bulbs should be replaced, some may or many not agree, each two grows.

Heat reduction with LED is less than HID, where say some standard fans to move the air around, a HID system may require more extensive and costly heat removal.

Those with investment already with their HID, CFL or other setups, certainly see that they must lay out money for the LED. This is in most case, the dilemma that starts the controversy with this is better than that and visa versa.

Now, Electricity. Let us use, I no longer sell lights, I have lights to always fulfill PAST customer and warranty. Our Standard 300W, has 300 1W LEDs. Spready evenly throughout the light, it draws 265W from the wall. It has aways been taughted as these 300W units all over, cover the same at a 1000W HPS. No, I have tried to never repeat this. I look at a 300W LED light, equiv more to a 600W HPS. So as you can see, electricty use is less 265W draw vs your 600. There are other considerations, unless you are running off 200 Electrical Panels, the AMPs are more in a HID setup, even with some of the latest Ballasts. So while others have always said 80% electrical savings, sure if they push to a 1000 HID comparison but it cannot cover same area. So 300W LED vs 600W HID, about 66% electrical savings.

Now, from other than the best growers I have seen in places our lights were in co ops and all, your final production with LED lighting, I feel comfortable that the avg home grower will get, if all else equal, about 15% less dry weight. Like the debates with those that say Hydro is better than Soil and so on, that is ones preference. I personally like both, but proper soil, I would rather be a soil taster. So, say just to compare only one comparison, 66% electricity savings vs 15% less final. Money growers, really do not care, they want as much as they can produce, because that is $300-400 a sack for them. I really am only addressing the home guy, 8 plants or less, while both HID and LED are fine, alone or in combination, LED alone will end up producing more per electrical cost.

I just do not have the energy here to debate the 1W over the 2,3, 5 Watt Bulbs. Tried over development and testing, up to 3W. Used to mix 3W and 1W in lights. When you use a 3W say, there are less of them and it is felt the intensity is better. I personally do not agree. I would rather have in the case of our past 300W, to have 300 1W, all wavelength/nanometers spread throughout. At my final designs were 380/430/455/612/630/660/730-40. Prodominately the 430-660 in LEDs. Of course is 300 3W can go in the same light size as the standard 300 case, I would say Absolutely. Point me to one light doing this, heat is just too crazy and electronics burn up. So they spread them out with less LEDs to make approx the same total Ws. The latest cutting edge importers, you tell me. Are 3W bulbs still only being pushed to barely over 2W? 2W bulbs about 1.3/1.4? The 1W pushing .8. Do the math vs the cost these other lights are.

If not using light rails for the lights to slowly travel back and forth in a grow, LED will not penetrate like HID. This is where the misconception is, in a way. You use your HID and if not sog of just keeping them under 18-24 inches, your normal plant may finish up about 3_ more like 4 Foot or higher. Not the way to grow with LED. At budding, I feel saying to have your light no more than 18" from your top cone. Now, again, not the best way to grow with LED. Take out main cola, pinched to two. Top your plants all around as much as you can. Make a little bush, keeping the plants to about, not counting stalk, from cutting off your popcorn bottoms to open up for the penetrating LED light. You will reap more per watt with LED this way. Of course, that Is my opinion, I could be wrong (Dennis Miller)
 

Mr.Vega

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I have $300 to buy a new light....im pretty set on the Advanced led DS100...I understand how much space itll cover n all that but are there better lights for the $$....?....I want a good quality light
 

JohnNeedsMeds

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I have $300 to buy a new light....im pretty set on the Advanced led DS100...I understand how much space itll cover n all that but are there better lights for the $$....?....I want a good quality light
Hi Mr. Vega! Well, the better lights on the market will cost you more than the money you want to spend. Area51, Apache, and 357 Magnum are some of the better known panels out there but they go for $500+. There is also the Hans LED panel which seems to be a good quality item that has some good reviews and is less expensive than the major brands. You might check all of these before making a final decision but the Advanced Diamond Series panels seem to be good as well for the price. I hope this helps. :)

John :peace:
 

Mr.Vega

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Yeah fuck advanced led lights....terrible terrible customer service...ive clld several times this morning to place an order and half the time I get no answer n the times they have answered I was told their systems are down n call bk in 15 min....same story 3times in a row...what a fuckin run around....its a damn shame every supposed "legitimate" business ive tried to deal w in the cannabis industry has ended up bein a let down...very disappointing.
 

milanhoracek

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Hi guys,
I am thinking of buying a cheaper LED light from eBay. It has 50 pcs 3W LEDs.

This is what they say about it:

10Bands UFO 150W LED Grow Light With 50PCS 3W LED Chips
Key Features :
10 bands full spectrum : Blue: 430-440nm, 450-460nm, 460-475nm ; Red: 620-630nm, 650-660nm ; IR 730nm ; White 3500K 6500K .
Brand : XXXXXXX (Professional LED Grow Light and LED aquarium light manufacturer in Shen zhen China ).
Warm to touch -- won't burn plant . No high wattage cooling systems needed , 50%-70% savings in energy costs
Worldwide Voltage: AC85~265V.
LED: 50PCS Bridgelux High power 3W LED .
Lifespan: 60000-100000 hours.

Price of this UFO LED light is 110 USD, it seems to be very cheap.

Does anyone know something about these lights? Will they perform as good as other UFO LED lights for growing, which you can buy at better places? Can anyone compare this light to HPS? Does it do the same work as a 450W HPS light? or the same work as 150W HPS light? My growbox is only 5sq feet and it is only 3ft high. Is this grow light enough for it or do I need two of them? Or should I buy stronger? 180W? 300W panel? I do not have enough money to buy LED light at better places, because it is so much more expensive.
Any advice would be appreciated. If there is any way you can copare this LED with HPS, please do so.
Thank you
 

Mr.Vega

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Yeah fuck advanced led lights....terrible terrible customer service...ive clld several times this morning to place an order and half the time I get no answer n the times they have answered I was told their systems are down n call bk in 15 min....same story 3times in a row...what a fuckin run around....its a damn shame every supposed "legitimate" business ive tried to deal w in the cannabis industry has ended up bein a let down...very disappointing.
I take it all back....the clld me bk n took my order...good ppl
 

PSUAGRO.

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Hi guys,
I am thinking of buying a cheaper LED light from eBay. It has 50 pcs 3W LEDs.

This is what they say about it:

10Bands UFO 150W LED Grow Light With 50PCS 3W LED Chips
Key Features :
10 bands full spectrum : Blue: 430-440nm, 450-460nm, 460-475nm ; Red: 620-630nm, 650-660nm ; IR 730nm ; White 3500K 6500K .
Brand : XXXXXXX (Professional LED Grow Light and LED aquarium light manufacturer in Shen zhen China ).
Warm to touch -- won't burn plant . No high wattage cooling systems needed , 50%-70% savings in energy costs
Worldwide Voltage: AC85~265V.
LED: 50PCS Bridgelux High power 3W LED .
Lifespan: 60000-100000 hours.

Price of this UFO LED light is 110 USD, it seems to be very cheap.

Does anyone know something about these lights? Will they perform as good as other UFO LED lights for growing, which you can buy at better places? Can anyone compare this light to HPS? Does it do the same work as a 450W HPS light? or the same work as 150W HPS light? My growbox is only 5sq feet and it is only 3ft high. Is this grow light enough for it or do I need two of them? Or should I buy stronger? 180W? 300W panel? I do not have enough money to buy LED light at better places, because it is so much more expensive.
Any advice would be appreciated. If there is any way you can copare this LED with HPS, please do so.
Thank you
A 400w hps ???? fuck no , that UFO won't even beat a 150w hps (16,000lm) in a 1.5x.15............If you want to buy cheap leds, try Cree household Warm White led bulbs and run them like cfl's in the grow room. Buy as many as you can afford a six pack is 80bucks @ home depot.

cheapest led panel that i would recommend is 2 hans panels @ $500 shipped http://www.bonsaihero.com/ledgrow.html will cover a 4x2 &2x2 well and give 250w results or better with good yielding strains and training...
 

milanhoracek

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Oh shit is it really that bad??!! that ruined my plans ... Unfortunately I don't live in US anymore (I used to), I have moved to Europe. It seems to be pretty complicated to get a cheap grow light over here. No such a store as home depot, ... or I just haven't found any. Electricity is super expensive over here, especially in my country, therefor I don't want to use HPS. I really want to grow with LEDs. It is gonna be my first indoor, so please be patient with me. I did search for LEDs over here and I wasn't successful, therefor I decided to pick something up on eBay or other similar places. I have been bidding on some auctions from Joyhydrogrow on eBay (it is a seller of grow LEDs). I haven't bought any yet, because I couldn't decide whether to buy one 150W, 180W or 300W. Do you think not even the 300W would be enough for my box (5ft sq, 3ft high)? Or 2 pcs of the 150W? (btw what is better to have, 2 pcs of the 150W UFO or the 300W panel?) I asked the seller about the 150W UFO and he said the power consumption is 35-40W, idk if this is helpful to know.
If you don't think I should buy anything from Joyhydrogrow, what else would you recommend me? Is there anything better on eBay?
Thank you so much, I really appreciate your help! I have spent weeks looking for something and studying something around growing and I still don't know what to go for ...
 

FranJan

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^^^VIPAR is a decent panel that doesn't cost an arm and a leg, especially if you're in Europe. Have you looked at them yet? I keep hearing JoyHydro but haven't seen anyone using one. Always beware of LED panel makers that are unknown, unless you're willing to take the good with the bad.
 

PSUAGRO.

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Oh shit is it really that bad??!! that ruined my plans ... Unfortunately I don't live in US anymore (I used to), I have moved to Europe. It seems to be pretty complicated to get a cheap grow light over here. No such a store as home depot, ... or I just haven't found any. Electricity is super expensive over here, especially in my country, therefor I don't want to use HPS. I really want to grow with LEDs. It is gonna be my first indoor, so please be patient with me. I did search for LEDs over here and I wasn't successful, therefor I decided to pick something up on eBay or other similar places. I have been bidding on some auctions from Joyhydrogrow on eBay (it is a seller of grow LEDs). I haven't bought any yet, because I couldn't decide whether to buy one 150W, 180W or 300W. Do you think not even the 300W would be enough for my box (5ft sq, 3ft high)? Or 2 pcs of the 150W? (btw what is better to have, 2 pcs of the 150W UFO or the 300W panel?) I asked the seller about the 150W UFO and he said the power consumption is 35-40W, idk if this is helpful to know.
If you don't think I should buy anything from Joyhydrogrow, what else would you recommend me? Is there anything better on eBay?
Thank you so much, I really appreciate your help! I have spent weeks looking for something and studying something around growing and I still don't know what to go for ...
Skip all those ebay POS inefficient led fixtures and panels............IF electrical consumption is a MAJOR issue to you then I suggest the following for europe

http://www.bonsaihero.com/ledgrow.html as stated above, they work well and consume little. from holland

http://ideal-spectrum-led.com/epages/box21231.sf/en_US/?ObjectPath=/Shops/box21231/Categories/Page__Categorie[1] from france, absolutely the best kits on the market..........top bin everything.

http://astirgrows.com/en/3-led-panels from greece, low power consumption and have proven/successful grows on here

http://www.plantphotonics.com/catalog/index.php?osCsid=6b577223e5b8acf42b288d579934cda4 from the UK , very good build quality and top bin osram leds

They cost way more than those generic chinese panels but are way more efficient per watt..........and WILL LAST with low failure rates
 

milanhoracek

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^^^VIPAR is a decent panel that doesn't cost an arm and a leg, especially if you're in Europe. Have you looked at them yet? I keep hearing JoyHydro but haven't seen anyone using one. Always beware of LED panel makers that are unknown, unless you're willing to take the good with the bad.
Thanks for tip. I am looking at the Vipar Leds on eBay and it seems to be pretty similar to what Joyhydrogrow sells there. Do you think it is a different light? Have you considered it is exact the same light? I can't see any difference. I can get like 20% better price on those from Joyhydrogrow, that's why I care.
What light from those VIPAR/Joyhydrogrow do you think I should get? My box is 4.5sq ft/3ft high. Is the UFO 180 enough? Or two of them? Or the 300W panel?
 

FranJan

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Lots of lights look the same, doesn't mean they are. Are you looking at the VIPARS on EBay UK? Or better yet the VIPAR site? Those are made at the Evergrow factory and they make/assemble panels for many American based companies. Don't just judge a panel by it's cover. Everyone thinks that because it looks like this panel it must be as good.
 

walmatt23

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Hello Eeryone!

I am hoping to get some help choosing the right LED light for my grow area. About a year ago, I was able to acquire 2 BC Northern Lights Producer grow boxes (with sensory overload upgrades, but only 3/6 sensors- pH, Ec, and temp) for a total of $950. Score! Thank You, Craigslist! Now, while the company would like to sell these with the Ronco idea of “set it and forget it,” as growers we all know there’s no such thing. After one grow that succumbed to bud rot and a subsequent grow that was ravaged by spider mites, I feel like I have good understanding of how these boxes work and am excited about retrofitting them with LEDs. After I get my LEDs I will provide more details of everything related to these boxes and actually start a journal in the Grow Journal area- until then, here is a stock photo to illustrate the space I am working with (Dimensions: 51”H x 54”W x 28”D):
producer-dia~01.jpg


I edited the photo to circle the CFL socket. My plan is to continue to use this 125W CFL in conjunction with two identical LED grow lights, one on either side of the cfl. Currently, I only have veg CFL bulbs, but I could switch this out for a Flowering CFL bulb- to be determined later, hopefully with input from the community.

Considering each LED light will be only covering roughly a 2’ x 2’ area with roughly a 48" ceiling, what LED units should I be looking at? Ive been combing alibaba.com/aliexpress.com & ebay looking for a "deal," but honestly I just want to get the right light for my space. All input Iis welcomed & appreciated!!

Thanks!!
 
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