If you ignore RADIATION it will go away.

Flaming Pie said:

Woah that is a big statement. I don't think a nuclear melt down, even if it were to expel plumes of radiation into the wind currents, will cause human extinction.

It would be bad for sure but there would be large groups of people that don't die and continue to reproduce.

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What about large scale disruption due to panic? I am not taking about a radio-plume killing everyone. I am talking about a persistent substance that can effect the higher mammals and alter the DNA randomly and make generations more and more sterile. Long term contamination with Stron90 could take the humanids back to a 20 year life span.

Nature will deal with it.

There is nothing good about this kind of power. It is not cheap and it is not safe. The gift that keeps on killing.

And we didn't stop making it today. And the AGW Agenda wants even more, a lot more, than just 10s of thousands of tons per year.

ginjawarrior said:

only the area local to fukishima has the environmental damage

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What about migratory fish? Plankton? Whales?

Too many "in's" into the food chain.

Also any airborne material in the case of a fire would hit the lower atmosphere and be spread across a huge area.

Again, not against nuclear power, just it needs to be handled with the utmost care.

Doer said:

snipped hysterics

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luddite....

Harrekin said:

What about migratory fish? Plankton? Whales?

Too many "in's" into the food chain.

Also any airborne material in the case of a fire would hit the lower atmosphere and be spread across a huge area.

Again, not against nuclear power, just it needs to be handled with the utmost care.

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there is no fire, once you get away from fukishima its diluted down to background level,s radiation is everywhere fukishima or not

Harrekin said:

I'm not against nuclear power, Im just against the inadequate storage of the radioactive waste.

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nah i just wanted to scare you with that haunted potatoe.

wanna be really scared?

Cannabis is being used as a Mop Crop to extract and sequester toxic and radioactive materials from the topsoil in fukishima, and other areas with various contaminants...

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2004/s1096938.htm

and what happens to the buds?

i propose that these hypothetical buds (lets say they are GMO's too) are being collected by (of Course) Monsanto and (naturally) the CIA, for when legalization efforts succeed. they will then dump these tainted buds onto the street for (obviously) the huge profits and to poison all the Burnouts who might compete with their Big Pharma plans to dominate the dope market...

with a little creative misinformation i bet we could get this shit in "Natural News" and "Prison Planet" within the week...

Doer said:

What about large scale disruption due to panic? I am not taking about a radio-plume killing everyone. I am talking about a persistent substance that can effect the higher mammals and alter the DNA randomly and make generations more and more sterile. Long term contamination with Stron90 could take the humanids back to a 20 year life span.

Nature will deal with it.

There is nothing good about this kind of power. It is not cheap and it is not safe. The gift that keeps on killing.

And we didn't stop making it today. And the AGW Agenda wants even more, a lot more, than just 10s of thousands of tons per year.

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The event would have to be huge to affect people on even 100th of the scale you are talking about. If people started becoming sterile we would have the science to figure out what foods to avoid.

Harrekin said:

What about migratory fish? Plankton? Whales?

Too many "in's" into the food chain.

Also any airborne material in the case of a fire would hit the lower atmosphere and be spread across a huge area.

Again, not against nuclear power, just it needs to be handled with the utmost care.

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I'm not against Nuke Power in certain places built, by the highest, not the lowest bidder. They can pick one that can build in the most safety and redundancy to win the bid.

Funny. If you look at man's presence on Earth, it it quite localized and mostly semi-aquatic. Rivers and Coasts.

Yet, the non-effect of this spread out and meager production of CO2 is claimed to be KILLING THE CLIMATE!!!

But, the most concentrated Ces137 and Ston90 is being flushed into the sea, and there is no end in sight. This seems to be just the beginning.

Oh, but Pacific Ocean is just local to Fukushima. Riiiiight. And the Jet Stream does not circle the globe, I guess.

Yet, this is not man made global disaster, CO2 is!!!! WHAAAAAAAA

The same twitness that preaches AGW, preached Nuke Winter.

But, Nuke Waste? Oh that's no problem.....sick Agenda.

Dr Kynes said:

nah i just wanted to scare you with that haunted potatoe.

wanna be really scared?

Cannabis is being used as a Mop Crop to extract and sequester toxic and radioactive materials from the topsoil in fukishima, and other areas with various contaminants...

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2004/s1096938.htm

and what happens to the buds?

i propose that these hypothetical buds (lets say they are GMO's too) are being collected by (of Course) Monsanto and (naturally) the CIA, for when legalization efforts succeed. they will then dump these tainted buds onto the street for (obviously) the huge profits and to poison all the Burnouts who might compete with their Big Pharma plans to dominate the dope market...

with a little creative misinformation i bet we could get this shit in "Natural News" and "Prison Planet" within the week...

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sterile weed anyone?

noticed that was a 2004 article about Australia and water pollution.

Flaming Pie said:

sterile weed anyone?

noticed that was a 2004 article about Australia and water pollution.

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yep. that was one of the few references to the cannabis Mop Crop experiiments still available.

in case you havent heard, "Drugs R Bad MM'Kay!" so any story that portrays weed as anything other than "The Assassin Of Youth" ( ) is not long for this world.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp
[h=3]Water and soil purification[/h] Hemp can be used as a "mop crop" to clear impurities out of wastewater, such as sewage effluent, excessive phosphorus from chicken litter, or other unwanted substances or chemicals. Eco-technologist Dr. Keith Bolton from Southern Cross University in Lismore, New South Wales, Australia, is a leading researcher in this area. Hemp is being used to clean contaminants at the Chernobyl nuclear disaster site. This is known as phytoremediation - the process by the cleaning radiation as well as a variety of other toxins from the soil, water, and air.[SUP][45][/SUP]




most of the articles regarding dope being used to clean up chemical spills, extract contaminants from soil, or remediate after nuclear accidents vanish shortly after publication (so mysterious)

just like the story in the Harborough Mail which quoted a Corby cop as claiming the AROMA of dope plants causes cancer.

that story was scrubbed from the web quicker than shit, leaving only it's footprints behind.

http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2012/03/brit_police_claim_odor_of_cannabis_plants_causes_c.php

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/3-daily-news/9424-leo-claims-odor-flowering-cannabis-causes-cancer.html

http://www.clear-uk.org/police-apology-about-cannabis/

http://www.clear-uk.org/update-on-the-cannabis-odour-is-carcinogenic-story/

and i personally swear and affirm that I myself did in fact read this article before the embarrassed newspaper got all butthurt, Rage-Quit, and decided to " DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING" and pretend they never printed such twaddle.

dry stories about cleanups at toxic spill sites dont leave nearly as much laughter and anger behind them when they get deleted.

if you are interested in learning more about Mop Crops, copy this, and paste it into your address bar.
https://www.google.com/#psj=1&q=phytoremediation

Once an organism has absorbed the radiation can you destroy the radiation by destroying the organism? Or will that just release the radiation back into the environment?

Doer said:

I know....the youth pretend to know things.

Depleted Uranium

In military applications, when alloyed, Depleted Uranium [DU] is ideal for use in armor penetrators. These solid metal projectiles have the speed, mass and physical properties to perform exceptionally well against armored targets. DU provides a substantial performance advantage, well above other competing materials. This allows DU penetrators to defeat an armored target at a significantly greater distance. Also, DU's density and physical properties make it ideal for use as armor plate. DU has been used in weapon systems for many years in both applications.

Depleted uranium results from the enriching of natural uranium for use in nuclear reactors. Natural uranium is a slightly radioactive metal that is present in most rocks and soils as well as in many rivers and sea water. Natural uranium consists primarily of a mixture of two isotopes (forms) of uranium, Uranium-235 (U235) and Uranium-238 (U235, in the proportion of about 0.7 and 99.3 percent, respectively. Nuclear reactors require U235 to produce energy, therefore, the natural uranium has to be enriched to obtain the isotope U235 by removing a large part of the U238. Uranium-238 becomes DU, which is 0.7 times as radioactive as natural uranium. Since DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, there is very little decay of those DU materials.

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With the long half-life comes a low intensity of radiation. You cannot use it as a radiological area denial weapon except perhaps in Seattle.

Flaming Pie said:

Once an organism has absorbed the radiation can you destroy the radiation by destroying the organism? Or will that just release the radiation back into the environment?

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the radiant particles persist in the organism (or the rags, sawdust, bones, seaweed etc) until it decays (radiologically, not biologically) thus the Mop Crop plants must be buried in a secure location returning the radiant material to The Bosom Of It's Mother, The Earth, Sacred Gaia...

otherwise youll have radioactive super-powered mutant Spider Mites, and nobody wants that...

Dr Kynes said:

the radiant particles persist in the organism (or the rags, sawdust, bones, seaweed etc) until it decays (radiologically, not biologically) thus the Mop Crop plants must be buried in a secure location returning the radiant material to The Bosom Of It's Mother, The Earth, Sacred Gaia...

otherwise youll have radioactive super-powered mutant Spider Mites, and nobody wants that...

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So it just removes the radiation from the soil to leaves then you move leaves to a secure location and you are left with clean soil eventually?

Flaming Pie said:

Once an organism has absorbed the radiation can you destroy the radiation by destroying the organism? Or will that just release the radiation back into the environment?

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Yeah, I posted a link about this. Radiation is not a distructable mechinism. We cannot stop the atom from distroying itself.

The radiation is the destruction of the atomic core. It is fissioning itself into quiescence. That takes 30 years for 1/2 of it in Ceas137 to turn radio-inert.

Cesium-137 and strontium-90 are the most dangerous radioisotopes to the environment in terms of their long-term effects. Their intermediate half-lives of about 30 years suggests that they are not only highly radioactive but that they have a long enough halflife to be around for hundreds of years. Iodine-131 may give a higher initial dose, but its short halflife of 8 days ensures that it will soon be gone. Besides its persistence and high activity, cesium-137 has the further insidious property of being mistaken for potassium by living organisms and taken up as part of the fluid electrolytes. This means that it is passed on up the food chain and reconcentrated from the environment by that process.

Cesium-137 decay has a half-life of 30.07 years and proceeds by both beta decay and gamma emission from an intermediate state. Both the electron and gamma emissions are highly ionizing radiation. The gamma radiation is very penetrating, and the beta radiation, though very short range, is very dangerous when ingested because it deposits all that energy in a very short distance in tissue.

Cesium's danger as an environmental hazard, damaging when ingested, is made worse by it's mimicing of potassium's chemical properties. This ensures that cesium as a contaminant will be ingested, because potassium is needed by all living things.

Flaming Pie said:

So it just removes the radiation from the soil to leaves then you move leaves to a secure location and you are left with clean soil eventually?

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First off, no such thing as clean soil....dirt it is called.

http://www.tesec-int.org/chernobyl/Environmental contamination.htm
Soil contamination. All soil used anywhere in the world for agriculture contains radionuclides to a greater or lesser extent. Typical soils contain approximately 300 kBq/m[SUP]3[/SUP] of [SUP]40[/SUP]K to a depth of 20 cm. This radionuclides and others are then taken up by crops and transferred to food, leading to a concentration in food and feed of between 50 and 150 Bq/kg. The ingestion of radionuclides in food is one of the pathways leading to internal retention and contributes to human exposure from natural and man-made sources. Excessive contamination of agricultural land, such as may occur in a severe accident, can lead to unacceptable levels of radionuclides in food.

The releases during the Chernobyl accident contaminated about 125 000 km[SUP]2[/SUP] of land in Belarus, Ukraine and Russia with radio-caesium levels greater than 37 kBq/m[SUP]2[/SUP], and about 30 000 km[SUP]2[/SUP] with radiostrontium greater than 10 kBq/ m[SUP]2[/SUP]. About 52 000 m[SUP]2[/SUP] of this total were in agricultural use; the remainder was forest, water bodies and urban centres. While the migration downwards of caesium in the soil is generally slow, especially in forests and peaty soil, it is extremely variable depending on many factors such as the soil type, pH, rainfall and agricultural tilling.

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So, this says soil is already radio-drity. 300KBq is a lot. But, not too much unless you are prone to dirt napping.

But the addition of somewhat more that 10% ie. 47kBq is enough to make total exclusion of human life necessary.

So, folks please don't act like the oceans and the sea and soil are clean blank slates. It is all radio-active.
We simply and easily push it over the edge into un-inhabitable, in the case of soil, and to poisonous in the case of air and water.

This chart was handed out to all the physics students in my class at the time of Fukushima's initial entrance onto the international stage of global paranoia.
http://imgs.xkcd.com/blag/radiation.png

I'd recommend studying it, if one has no concept of radiation in every day life. At the least, it puts some things into perspective.

We are all radioactive...
Bananas, people, BANANAS! They are mutating! They will take over civilization...

Flaming Pie said:

So it just removes the radiation from the soil to leaves then you move leaves to a secure location and you are left with clean soil eventually?

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yep.

it gathers up the contaminants into the plant, and the plants are then disposed of in a manner which sequesters the toxic or radiant material until it will eventually become inert.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/24/how-obama-made-fukushima-worse/

not sure how Obama made it worse, but anyone want to comment on the accuracies ( or Inaccuracies ) of this article?

interesting. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012...tely-dilute-the-radiation-from-fukushima.html

Indeed, nuclear expert Robert Alvarez – senior policy adviser to the Energy Department’s secretary and deputy assistant secretary for national security and the environment from 1993 to 1999 – wrote yesterday:

According to a previously secret 1955 memo from the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission regarding concerns of the British government over contaminated tuna, “dissipation of radioactive fall-out in ocean waters is not a gradual spreading out of the activity from the region with the highest concentration to uncontaminated regions, but that in all probability the process results in scattered pockets and streams of higher radioactive materials in the Pacific. We can speculate that tuna which now show radioactivity from ingested materials [this is in 1955, not today] have been living, in or have passed through, such pockets; or have been feeding on plant and animal life which has been exposed in those areas.”

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Flaming Pie said:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/24/how-obama-made-fukushima-worse/

not sure how Obama made it worse, but anyone want to comment on the accuracies ( or Inaccuracies ) of this article?

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