I'm About to Give Up on Cloning

Masp I use the rapid rooters and have allways had great success. I have an easy cloner and its sitting in my garage cloecting dust. You have the right concept dont complicate yourself KISS. Good Luck

I had similar problems with clones when I first started. However, I've never had to wait more than 2 weeks for roots to pop. But I have found that a solution of Canna Rhizotonic and water at 15ml/g, with a pH of 5.8-6.2 serves as a great base for popping solid roots rather quickly. Most importantly though is the temperature and humidity levels, I think. I've done clones with a temperature as little as 65 degrees and a humidity level around the same number. Took a lot longer, but it still came out solid in the end.

I just recently took cuts and put them in rockwool soaked with the above mentioned solution, in a proper environment and I got monster roots in a matter of a week. I have also took cuts and rooted them in Coco which turned out extremely well, but took a little bit longer. That is probably due to the conditions at the time, however, as the environment was not ideal. Next time I take cuts, I'm going to put them in Coco, in proper conditions and see what happens.

Also, now that I think of it: I also give them a foliar spray of the same solution once or twice a day. I've heard people say that this isn't a good idea, but it seems to work very well. If I can get solid, rooted clones within a week, I am a happy person.

dude i just cut em at 45 degrees and put em in water with no light... serously it must be my strain but im gettting at least a 60 persent sucsess rate

Same problem here. Come to find out the biggest mistake I was making was keeping the rockwool/peat pellet too wet.

BigSteve.

Okay, everyone, I didn't read too much so I am sorry to those who diligently milled through these 7 pages, and to all the struggling cloners who are about to read this: I just really got into cloning, I have had a 100% success rate, and my conditions are ghetto as FUCK.

I literally put an airstone in a DWC bucket, layered kids' play foam padding over the DWC bucket, wrapped panda film all over that, put the cuttings into little straws that were inserted into the panda film, and kept them in a room heated to about 80º, upper 70's more often. I use Olivia's Cloning Solution until roots, then switch off to the cheap ass generic veg ferts I have, measuring ppm, and using only distilled water of course. 100% success rate. Maybe it's just my strains, or maybe I'm fucking superman, but this really isn't that hard.

EDIT: I see people discussing rockwool. I have a simple solution for rockwool; don't use it. My associate used to be in charge of cloning and had about a 50% success rate with cloning, and he used the gels and EVERYTHING. Maintain the root tip over no medium, make sure it dangles just over the water's surface, and you should be golden. Also be sure to foliar spray on occasion.

These were rooted into soil,my preferred method.
Using the same tech as above just using dirt instead of peat.
Really a very simple process provided ya stay within the parameters the plant requires.

bigsteve said:

Same problem here. Come to find out the biggest mistake I was making was keeping the rockwool/peat pellet too wet.

BigSteve.

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It is VERY easy to do so. I now water my cuttings in small RW cubes with a digi scale and a spray bottle. It is worth it. Here are my roots at 13 days and ready to go.

Me to had problems first,then i thought the problem is with the mother plant, i kept in vegetative growth( 16 = hours light) all the time under a Metal halide light,
Mix liquid rooting harmone,Also whcile cutting There should be three or four sets of leaves remaining on the cutting,Now submerge the bottom of the cutting and make another cut diagonally. This will expose more stem surface to the water and make it easier for the cutting to absorb nutrients. This cut must be made under water to prevent a bubble forming in the stem, blocking nutrient intake.
make the cutting in 45 degree angle so that i will absord more water,..
Try your best,,,
Find out your mistakes and correct it,
Practice makes man perfect...

Green Love said:

Clone's: You know to take the clone's at a 45 degree angle. Cut leaves in half, after cut. Promotes root growth (going sideways or across). After the cut, you scrap the bottom of the stem to expose the inner flesh (white). Then cut the bottom of the stem going up about an inch, so you have two sides of the stem. Now, dip your newly cut, scraped, split end two stem, into some cloning gel. Place, clone in neo-insert. Your done. (next clone).

Water: Everything looks fine. Gotta make sure the temp. above the clone's stay smi-cool. The water (ph'd) that ur using to clone the clones in, needs to stay around 70-73 degree's celcius. Cloning solution would also help improve your chances of cloning. Spray bottle, with ph'd water (don't have to spray your clones) its a peference.

Roots will show in about 7-12 days.

Check out this link: http://forum.grasscity.com/do-yourself/444974-lets-build-clone-machine-*step-step*.html

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73 celcius huh? I'm impressed.

Really, that's damn near boiling. I don't think that's weed you're growing, you may have discovered the first bacterial THC producing organism.

I now have 7 out of 10 rooting, SLH still shows nothing btw... that's a 70% in my first try with an aerocloner. PH is stable, the roots are now growing out of the netpots. This is it! I found my method

masp84 said:

I now have 7 out of 10 rooting, SLH still shows nothing btw... that's a 70% in my first try with an aerocloner. PH is stable, the roots are now growing out of the netpots. This is it! I found my method

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What was you method? And temps condition of the room any cloneing gel or solutions? Good job keep it up.

I did a lot of things some wrong and some right, but next time I'll just prune, cut and put in the cloner, then I'll PH water to 5.5 and leave it alone.

First I took the cuts and placed them in Clonex solution for 30 minutes. 10 ml x 1 quart of water
I rather violently scraped the stem bellow the node about half inch length.
Then I put them in a tequila shot filled with Rootech hormone for 3 minutes
Further I just placed them in the neoprene collars and into the aero cloner. Cuts wilted for 6 hours then they started to thrive.
Solution was just PH'd water with a drop of superthrive and 3/4 tsp of H2O2 in 3.5 Gal of water.
Pump Cycle is 1 minute on 4 off.

masp84 said:

Water and ambient temp are always in range 20-24°C and RH is around 60%....

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nice range for buds... not so much for the little guys. they live on humidity until the roots grow.
Also higher temps/humidity on your mothers will make bigger/fatter leafs for your clones.
Also if veg/cloning areas have the same temp/humidity this lessen the shock.
I have found if you leave big leaf on a clone the clone will drain it and roots pop out faster.

i didnt read all this thread so someone mighta said this but try a cup of tap water in a cup cover the top with foil poke hole big enough for stem in foil make sure atleast a 1/2inch of stem i submerged more is fine then do nothing for 4 days just left it in corner of veg room then start checking it every day or 2 after you got 3 or 4 good roots put in well watered soil

I currently have an aero bucket cloner, I use plain water and get pretty much 100%. I had to laugh when I saw your pics and was like roots will be popping out in a few days wonder what he's going to say then.

Dude you need to have some patience. That's it.
Everything you tried would've/should've worked but I'm sure yo did something...no offense
Once they are planted in whatever you plant them in, you have to leave them alone.
Just to see how easy it could really be I did a test.
Took a black 32oz soda cup. Got an air pump.
Poked holes in a Styrofoam plate and taped it over the top of the cup.
Took the cuttings, no scraping or slitting the stem. Straight from water to clonex to the holes in the plate.
I used straight water out of the tap, not pH'ed, no nutes at root stimulators.
Just plain water. Mine comes out at 650 ppm from the tap.
I stuck a hole from the air pump into a hole in the plate into the water, No air stone.
Whenever I felt like it, I would mist the plants, but I really didn't matter if I did or not
so I did it sporadically.
Basically I wanted to make the cheapest, most simple bubble cloner I could.
Root in 9 days.

Good luck.

thedude27 said:

I currently have an aero bucket cloner, I use plain water and get pretty much 100%. I had to laugh when I saw your pics and was like roots will be popping out in a few days wonder what he's going to say then.

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I don't know why it was so hard!! but the aerocloner took care of everything really.. I had 100% success, even SLH has roots now and it's vegging. I'm building a better cloner. You don't have to use bleach just detergent and boling water to clean everything and that's it

masp84 said:

I don't know why it was so hard!! but the aerocloner took care of everything really.. I had 100% success, even SLH has roots now and it's vegging. I'm building a better cloner. You don't have to use bleach just detergent and boling water to clean everything and that's it

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Congrats man, what finally did it for besides the aero cloner?