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It appears that MI has many Indian Nations spread across the State of MI , if they have their own Government why wouldn’t they be able to set their own medical marijuana laws and have co-op’s that would buy and sell to and from MI caregivers and patients . Sounds like that would be a huge benefit for them ?

[h=2]na·tion[/h]noun \ˈnā-shən\ : a large area of land that is controlled by its own government
 
Just because they might be left to their own devices, does not mean they have absolute authority. If the federal or state government does not like what they are doing, they have the authority to move in if they wish. I could argue that my family has its own government, doesn't mean we can legalize cannabis in our house and grounds.

Epic fail of a thread.
 
tip top toker said:
Just because they might be left to their own devices, does not mean they have absolute authority. If the federal or state government does not like what they are doing, they have the authority to move in if they wish. I could argue that my family has its own government, doesn't mean we can legalize cannabis in our house and grounds.

Epic fail of a thread.
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In many places Native Americans have autonomous control - it's why they are allowed to run casino's on Indian Land
It's why they are legally allowed to cultivate hallucinogenic mushrooms for their spiritual occasions.

Tolerating cannabis under 1st Amendment reasons and Native American Autonomous regional laws is a very realistic possibility.

Epic fail of a put down, really.
 
NorthofEngland said:
In many places Native Americans have autonomous control - it's why they are allowed to run casino's on Indian Land
It's why they are legally allowed to cultivate hallucinogenic mushrooms for their spiritual occasions.

Tolerating cannabis under 1st Amendment reasons and Native American Autonomous regional laws is a very realistic possibility.

Epic fail of a put down, really.
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So you are saying that if these areas decided they would open up huge cannabis plantations, nothing would happen, because they have autonomous control? There is s difference between
Turning a blind eye, to allowing prolific production of cannabis. Do you really think if they could legally get away with it there would not be large cannabis plantations already?

SharpEdges said:
You have no sense of humor?
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Given state authorised "legal" cannabis, no, I guess not. There isn't any legal cannabis in my mind, how can something be legal and illegal, and if it both, what is its actual legal status? So far as history has shown, federal governments legal decisions trump state (Genuine question)
 
tip top toker said:
Just because they might be left to their own devices, does not mean they have absolute authority. If the federal or state government does not like what they are doing, they have the authority to move in if they wish. I could argue that my family has its own government, doesn't mean we can legalize cannabis in our house and grounds.

Epic fail of a thread.
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You have a lot of posts so you probably know a bad post when you see it .
I spent some time at the Chickasaw Nation , They talked like they were a nation unto themselves , so I thought they made and passed their own laws ? Why else would they have their own Ambassador to the United States ?
It just sounded like a cool idea .
Governor Bill Anoatubby appointed Charles W. Blackwell as the Chickasaw Nation's first Ambassador to the United States in 1995

[h=2]na·tion[/h]noun \ˈnā-shən\ : a large area of land that is controlled by its own government
[h=2]gov·ern·ment[/h]noun, often attributive \ˈgə-vər(n)-mənt, -və-mənt; ˈgə-b[SUP]ə[/SUP]m-ənt, -v[SUP]ə[/SUP]m-\ : the group of people who control and make decisions for a country, state, etc.
 
tip top toker said:
So you are saying that if these areas decided they would open up huge cannabis plantations, nothing would happen, because they have autonomous control? There is s difference between
Turning a blind eye, to allowing prolific production of cannabis. Do you really think if they could legally get away with it there would not be large cannabis plantations already?



Given state authorised "legal" cannabis, no, I guess not. There isn't any legal cannabis in my mind, how can something be legal and illegal, and if it both, what is its actual legal status? So far as history has shown, federal governments legal decisions trump state (Genuine question)
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Did I say that?
Did I write that ?
No - I fucking didn't so don't try to simplify my posts down to the black and white (IQ o 24) that your posts normally resemble.

You obviously have no grasp of many legal concepts and how autonomy pertains to a recognised minority group in regards to exempting them from certain prohibitions due to reasons of culture, faith ad historic guilt for ancestral atrocities.
I really do not have the patience to hold your hand and walk you through this.

Affter all, you have already equated Native American autonomy to "saying that me and my family have legalized cannabis in our house" (or, most probably, trailer).

Go read a book.
 
Autonomy for Native Americans is based solely on legal agreements made long ago. It has nothing to do with culture, faith, or guilt. If there was a way to duck out of those treaties, we would already have done so.
 
Won't you guys be surprised! ;) hehe

Tip top toker,... its time to listen brother, less chatter friend there is wisdom here. Not everyone here is black and white.

I am meeting with Native Elders this next week. This is closely what is being discussed. (And btw, Natives still cultivate cannabis, it is you who is learning.)

Woodsmantoker~
 
SharpEdges said:
Autonomy for Native Americans is based solely on legal agreements made long ago. It has nothing to do with culture, faith, or guilt. If there was a way to duck out of those treaties, we would already have done so.
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So certain Californian Tribes are legally permitted to cultivate and preserve magic mushrooms because of 19th century treaties...???
1 - hardly any of those treaties stood whenever the whites found a valuable resource on the land that had been previously given in treaty to the Indians.
(just read about Deadwood Gold Rush and how quickly the US Government found a way to get out of that treaty)

2 - In the 19th Century NO ONE CARED ABOUT ANY DRUG USE - Anyone could grow mushrooms, or weed, or buy Heroin and cocaine from the local shop.
In fact one of the first prohibitions was stopping alcohol being sold to the Indians (research origin of term 'BOOTLEGGER')
but absolutely no one suggested laws prohibiting 'drugs' before the 20th century.

MANY Native American legal exemptions are based on First Amendment FREEDOM OF WORSHIP issues.
Which are, by there very nature, cultural and spiritual reasons.

And white guild DOES play a huge role in the US Government backing off the Indians on issues that would be strictly enforced against other groups.
 
tip top toker said:
Given state authorised "legal" cannabis, no, I guess not. There isn't any legal cannabis in my mind, how can something be legal and illegal, and if it both, what is its actual legal status? So far as history has shown, federal governments legal decisions trump state (Genuine question)
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This concept would be exactly analogous to gambling and the puritan federalism used to manufacture a "crime" under the "law" and guise of "public safety". Indians know a lil bit about the dangers of narcissistic puritan federalism and I would argue it is the justification of the Nation state we speak here: Protection of the People.
 
woodsmantoker said:
Won't you guys be surprised! ;) hehe

Tip top toker,... its time to listen brother, less chatter friend there is wisdom here. Not everyone here is black and white.

I am meeting with Native Elders this next week. This is closely what is being discussed. (And btw, Natives still cultivate cannabis, it is you who is learning.)

Woodsmantoker~
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The time I spent at the Chickasaw Nation was an eye opener for me , it was like a whirlwind of progress there , at that time our Government was in a shutdown , my thought was that we should have these people in charge of our Government , I have lost a lot of my respect for our Government , after all how can I respect a Government that makes it illegal for me to self-medicate with a plant that our creator has put here for our health and well being ? I hope your Native Elders can figure a way to make it work .
 
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