indica dom plants flowering in veg

Banana444

Banana444

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sponger2004 said:
Are your plants being exposed to light from outside? I've had plants start flowering in the winter because they were in rooms that had outside light still coming in.
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No they are in a tent in a dark room. I tossed a bunch of clones a while back from another indica dom that had popcorn size nugs at the time of cloning. So it must just be genetics, when some plants mature, lower shaded parts might start flowering in 18/6, wish i could give one of these clones a chance outdoors but that never works.....
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Gquebed

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Banana444 said:
This is an observation i made after having grown out 2 indica dom strains(very bushy), deep purp and godsak47. While in veg on 18/6 deep purple began to flower, this was nice for giving a little jump timewise on the switch to flower, not so much for taking clones running a perpetual grow. Had to toss a whole batch from deep purp as they appeared to be two weeks into flower. More recently the gods ak clones were just all showing pistils when i took them, they rooted fine, but in veg they had strange slower growth(single and triple blade fan leaves).
It has taken almost 2 months for then to start to geow out of it and they are just beginning to produce normal leaves. Is this something anyone else has run into with any strains?
Could this be remedied by switching to 20/4 veg.
Veg is a 5x5, light is indagro420 and two cxa3070cobs@50ws each
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three fingered leaves on your clones... my last run had a bunch of that going on and now my new run, which is ak 47 too, is doing the same thing...had no probs with the last run and my AKs are groing fast right now...

Maybe the stress in being cloned just messes them up for a bit?

And... did your AK clones take forever to root? I started with 14 and the first rooted in 9 days, butbthe rest took anywhere from 15 to 30 days...
 
Gquebed

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Also, my aks look real tired and droopy after 18 hours of just T5 light... how about yours?

think im going cut back to 16/8...
 
Banana444

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No they rooted in a bubble cloner, in less than 2 weeks, they just took forever to get normal rapid growth in veg and appeared to be flowering or retarted growth for the first month.
 
hondagrower420

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ODanksta said:
What about me??? Lol
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Sorry. Man I'm waiting on that basement to get up and running. I haven't got to ride along for one of your grows yet.

Maybe you could test dudes therory for us. I'm thinking like 8 weeks of flower under red spectrum light should "induce" flowering. Lights running 24/7.

And hey, it's twice the light so twice the yield.

Oh shit why has nobody ever done this.
 
J Bleezy

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whitebb2727 said:
Preflowers wouldn't bother me.

Indoors is different. Most indica's will flower at about 14 hours outdoors. Sativa's around 12.

Some pure sativa's will need 10/14 to induce flowering.
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Nice, I never knew that some strains need more than 12 hours of dark to flower. So, 16 weeks flower time and only 10 hours of light, that's a lot of stretching. Worse I've ever had to deal with is sour diesel
 
whitebb2727

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J Bleezy said:
Nice, I never knew that some strains need more than 12 hours of dark to flower. So, 16 weeks flower time and only 10 hours of light, that's a lot of stretching. Worse I've ever had to deal with is sour diesel
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Its mainly landerace equatorial strains that get 12/12 year round. They can take forever to flower.

The stretch would be from its a sativa not the light.

@torontoke has a 6hr flowering thread on here that is pretty interesting. Lees stretch than what you would think.



https://www.rollitup.org/t/my-6hr-flowering-experiment.865489/
 
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Banana444 said:
No they rooted in a bubble cloner, in less than 2 weeks, they just took forever to get normal rapid growth in veg and appeared to be flowering or retarted growth for the first month.
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I used a bubble cloner too and when i saw the first one get roots in 9 day i was stunned that the others took so long...

As for the slow growth... maybe over watered a bit? Ive stuffed myself doing that a few times...lol
 
J Bleezy

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whitebb2727 said:
Its mainly landerace equatorial strains that get 12/12 year round. They can take forever to flower.

The stretch would be from its a sativa not the light.

@torontoke has a 6hr flowering thread on here that is pretty interesting. Lees stretch than what you would think.



https://www.rollitup.org/t/my-6hr-flowering-experiment.865489/
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Those looked pretty stretched to me, I couldn't find many pics past week 4 or so though. Of course I don't know what strain it is or what type of lighting he is using. And I'm not knocking him, it's a useful experiment for sure.
In my experience my plants grow better with a longer duration of light (although I do like to give them some dark, I don't veg 24/0). And I'm sure lighting is not the only factor when I notice it, but that's just my observation.
 
whitebb2727

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J Bleezy said:
Those looked pretty stretched to me, I couldn't find many pics past week 4 or so though. Of course I don't know what strain it is or what type of lighting he is using. And I'm not knocking him, it's a useful experiment for sure.
In my experience my plants grow better with a longer duration of light (although I do like to give them some dark, I don't veg 24/0). And I'm sure lighting is not the only factor when I notice it, but that's just my observation.
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They look pretty darn good for six hours light. He showed some finished pics. The strains and light were listed.

I posted the link to show that less light can work.
 
SPLFreak808

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hondagrower420 said:
Sorry. Man I'm waiting on that basement to get up and running. I haven't got to ride along for one of your grows yet.

Maybe you could test dudes therory for us. I'm thinking like 8 weeks of flower under red spectrum light should "induce" flowering. Lights running 24/7.

And hey, it's twice the light so twice the yield.

Oh shit why has nobody ever done this.
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Lmao, half of RIU uses hps for vegging including me. All pre-flowers on my mothers nothing more.
 
2ANONYMOUS

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hondagrower420 said:
Again? This is the first time I have heard spectrum actually induces flowering. I have never heard that before.

I thought that you would like this thread.
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with shorter light hrs and YES with actual spectrum to mimic Fall like sun angles will indeed speed up the hormone change and flower inset

The increasing hours of uninterrupted darkness cause the plants to respond as if Autumn is approaching, and begin to flower.
Cannabis plants are referred to as long night or short day plants, because they require a long period of darkness to trigger the
hormones that tell the plant to switch from vegetative growth to flowering. These light receptors are color pigments in the leaves called Phytochrome Red (PR) and Phytochrome Far Red (PFR). These pigments get their names from the types of light they absorb. PR absorbs red light between 660 and 760 nm and PFR absorbs far red light between 760 and 800 nm. These two pigments chemically react to the light, and trigger the plant to flower or not.

n cannabis plants, the normal presence of PFR switches off the flowering signal. The level of PFR is what you can manipulate by adjusting the photoperiod. PFR is quickly produced when plants are exposed to light that contains far red wavelengths. When there is light, the PFR and PR maintain a balance. When the sun goes down or the lights go out, the darkness gradually switches the PFR to PR. Because of this, PRlevels gradually increase and the PFR gradually decrease during the dark period. The presence of PR is a neutral condition to the plants and essentially tells them nothing. When the light returns, or if a small amount of far red light interrupts the dark period, the PR immediately switches back to PFR. If the plant is without light long enough, the PFR will decrease past a tipping point. This decreased level of PFR signals the plants that Fall is approaching; and the plant begins flowering.

In short, the presence of PFR due to long hours of light and short hours of darkness keep the plants in the vegetative phase. If the plant experiences enough hours of darkness, most of the PFR turns to PR ; and the low level of PFR signals the plant hormones to begin flowering
 
hondagrower420

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SPLFreak808 said:
Lmao, half of RIU uses hps for vegging including me. All pre-flowers on my mothers nothing more.
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I also use hps to veg and flower. I use uv tubes in flower.

The grow I got going on for the vault, I'm not using if. And it really does make a pretty big deference.

Not only resin production but the density of the bud.

My thoughts are that the plant builds tougher thicker bud to try to protect the seed bract.
 
hondagrower420

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2ANONYMOUS said:
with shorter light hrs and YES with actual spectrum to mimic Fall like sun angles will indeed speed up the hormone change and flower inset

The increasing hours of uninterrupted darkness cause the plants to respond as if Autumn is approaching, and begin to flower.
Cannabis plants are referred to as long night or short day plants, because they require a long period of darkness to trigger the
hormones that tell the plant to switch from vegetative growth to flowering. These light receptors are color pigments in the leaves called Phytochrome Red (PR) and Phytochrome Far Red (PFR). These pigments get their names from the types of light they absorb. PR absorbs red light between 660 and 760 nm and PFR absorbs far red light between 760 and 800 nm. These two pigments chemically react to the light, and trigger the plant to flower or not.

n cannabis plants, the normal presence of PFR switches off the flowering signal. The level of PFR is what you can manipulate by adjusting the photoperiod. PFR is quickly produced when plants are exposed to light that contains far red wavelengths. When there is light, the PFR and PR maintain a balance. When the sun goes down or the lights go out, the darkness gradually switches the PFR to PR. Because of this, PRlevels gradually increase and the PFR gradually decrease during the dark period. The presence of PR is a neutral condition to the plants and essentially tells them nothing. When the light returns, or if a small amount of far red light interrupts the dark period, the PR immediately switches back to PFR. If the plant is without light long enough, the PFR will decrease past a tipping point. This decreased level of PFR signals the plants that Fall is approaching; and the plant begins flowering.

In short, the presence of PFR due to long hours of light and short hours of darkness keep the plants in the vegetative phase. If the plant experiences enough hours of darkness, most of the PFR turns to PR ; and the low level of PFR signals the plant hormones to begin flowering
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No I agree that red spectrum is needed for flower and far red helps to jump start it.

You explained it perfectly. The plant uses the light to produce hormones. And you have to give cannabis a long enough dark period to trick the plants rhythm into flowering aka reproduction period.

The guy was saying that a light leak during the veg period induced flowering. This is simply not true.

I don't know if you took my statement out of context or what.

However, I will stand by what was said in that particular quote of mine.

Simply changing the spectrum of light without changing the variable of light. That means not reducing hours, will and can not induce flowering alone.

I repeat, changing from light that is more blue in spectrum to a light that contains more red will not cause cannabis to flower.
 
2ANONYMOUS

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hondagrower420 said:
I also use hps to veg and flower. I use uv tubes in flower.

The grow I got going on for the vault, I'm not using if. And it really does make a pretty big deference.

Not only resin production but the density of the bud.

My thoughts are that the plant builds tougher thicker bud to try to protect the seed bract.
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there is enough UVB in HPS alone no need for more UV lighting that alone does not make a plant more potent its what the pant genetic traits are capable of we have to realize most of the suns UVB is absorbed from our atmosphere
Keep UV lighting for sterilization an with that said more amounts a plant gets of UV will in fact damage the plants DNA more then doing any good eventually running its course over a couple of Generations
All DNA aquires mutations over time, due to various environmental factors,free radicals, toxins etc. When reproduction is asexual ie. cloning, these mutations get automatically passed down across the generations. so eventually running its course with UV actually damaging DNA one could say mutations , less Vigor less yields
 
hondagrower420

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2ANONYMOUS said:
there is enough UVB in HPS alone no need for more UV lighting that alone does not make a plant more potent its what the pant genetic traits are capable of we have to realize most of the suns UVB is absorbed from our atmosphere
Keep UV lighting for sterilization an with that said more amounts a plant gets of UV will in fact damage the plants DNA more then doing any good eventually running its course over a couple of Generations
All DNA aquires mutations over time, due to various environmental factors,free radicals, toxins etc. When reproduction is asexual ie. cloning, these mutations get automatically passed down across the generations. so eventually running its course with UV actually damaging DNA one could say mutations , less Vigor less yields
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I use a glass hood, so I was under the impression that glass filters uv.

I try to mimic higher elevation.

I can't tell you if I'm over saturating with uv.

I usually run 2 2ft uv tubes per light. 1 on each side. It's pretty cheap so I go with it.

And I don't believe that I am experiencing placebo.

I have done blind test and people have always been able to pick the uv bud.

I just ask which one is more frosty and they jump on it.
 
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