Indica vs Sativa

Which one do you prefer

  • Cannabis sativa

    Votes: 199 51.3%

  • Cannabis indica

    Votes: 189 48.7%
  • Total voters
    388
SirTitanium

SirTitanium

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anonymuss,

I'm beginning to get the picture. You are probably getting the picture as well that I'm a bit inexperienced, but willing to try anything at this juncture.

By the way you phrased your answer, perhaps there's a better way to ask the question. It seems that consensus from traumatic/post-operative spine patients like me, Sativa is more sought after. Maybe there are traits that go into it - characteristics that render it a better analgesic?

1. longer/shorter flowering?
2. [CO2]
3. pH, soil
4. hydration/humidity
5. balance of wavelength toward the harvest (blue:red)
6. technique at harvest: stress
7. technique at curing: stress (again)

All this stuff changes the pharmacology and the pharmacology defines the analgesia. Just like genetics.

Have any top tier hospitals around the world published any studies on this topic? Sorry to perseverate; I am desperate. Given what I've been through medically and surgically, getting some bag of whatever wherever seems pretty hopeless. There has to be a way to control for the pain management.

. . . not that I know what it is.
 
jhopkins34

jhopkins34

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Sativa for me, I prefer the head high a good sativa can give you, and I feel like a sativa that has gone through 80 days of flowering are some of the best quality buds, just my oppinion
 
EvenHatersShowUsLove

EvenHatersShowUsLove

Member
All right ...you guys convinced me ... when I set up my next op...instead of 2 rooms (mother/clone room and flower room) ...now Im going to make 3 rooms... one for sativa strains... and it'll be tall ...haha....and the other rooms for normal cloning and flowering .

as for pain management SirTi.... I dont think cannibus will be as effective as narcotics.... I was always under the impression it was used for nausia for medicinal purposes ...and to help people have an appetite...
 
duchieman

duchieman

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To be able to choose and control what I smoke, once and for all, is why I'm here. That said, it is Sativa that I miss and long for and with some good help and a little luck I will soon have my own private reserve. Patience isn't an issue here.
 
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SirTitanium

SirTitanium

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People,

Thanks to all who responded to my sub-query to the poll. I hope you didn't feel I was trying to hijack it. I'm in a position where if I want anything I have to grow it. Good and bad. It's work, but I have some control (maybe) in the outcome.

EvenHatersShowUsLove. you are correct in part. Cannabis is better at boosting the calorie count for folks who have trouble keeping it on, no matter the reason: chemotherapy to rheumatoid arthritis to psychiatric conditions that mess with one's body image perception. 50% of anorectics die of anorexia, so it's pretty serious as diseases go.

In my case, there is no question that it can augment pain management. In fact lots of people who don't smoke pot (e.g. me) give it a shot when narcotics don't work so well anymore and they are sick of the side effects narcotics are famous for. Pot according to the (limited) research I've read out of Europe is successful (80%) at augmenting pain management as measured by decreasing the amount of narcotics needed to temporize the pain.

I just wish it were a matter for me and my doctor. Pain sucks.
 
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Shvelt

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Hey bud.
Sorry to hear about the incident, so maybe I can help out.
With Indica you end up on the couch alot more, listening to music, or watching tv. It really helps get your mind off pain by easily distracting you with something else, and really mellows you out. In fact, with a good strain like say, OG kush or something rather, The only thing you'll really want to actually get up to do is grab a glass of milk or something. So, good for pain and wanting to rest the mind, or sleep.
With Sativa You'll be much more alert, and focused, so you might even wind up focusing more on the pain, which I'd take you wont want, But it might also give you more of a "feel good" sensation which might be beneficial to your problem with pain.
With Hybrids you get the best of both worlds, so this one might be a good option. But, It also means you need to watch out for which out of Indica/Sativa has the more dominate genes the Hybrid.
So, I think you should experiment with all of them, see what you like. If I were you Id start with Indica, which is usually cheaper any how. But be sure to try everything, find something you can be at peace with.
Happy smoking!
 
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Blakwun

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I LOVE the sativa plant!! .. has me feeling irie as juxtaposed to the debilitating/Couch lock* effects of the indica .but on the nights when sleep isnt easliy achieved...INDICA !! Straight.!!:leaf:
 
welshsmoker

welshsmoker

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i hate the couch lock of indica and the panic attacks, 80 days flowering so far with another 40 or 50 days left on my sativa ,cant wait....
 
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gabrial

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EvenHatersShowUsLove said:
as for pain management SirTi.... I dont think cannibus will be as effective as narcotics.... I was always under the impression it was used for nausia for medicinal purposes ...and to help people have an appetite...
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Not true, cannabis is very helpful with some kinds of pain. Unfortunately the way it is studied seems to be subjected to a political test. Mother Jones had a very good article on researchers who complained about the direction their studies took because the government did not want a positive outcome and used access to cannabis and grants to force the direction of research. Some of the studies seem clearly specious; the Capsaicin studies where the epidural layer of the skin is subjected to burning by chemical means is a good example. Almost everything fails to control the pain from a chemical burn, other then narcotics. This is important because most of the first and second line medications for pain, again with the exception of narcotics, fail to have any effect when tested as well. This is information I want to know if I have a burn and am seeking treatment. Cannabis would not be indicated for an acute burn on the basis of this study. It may not say anything about other forms of pain, particularly chronic pain.

To Sir Ti . . . pubmed (the research site, not the public health site, has a lot of good info on THC (Marinol), it may have more on cannabis now.) It appears that it properly controlled studies show that the pain reduction is about the same between narcotics (vicodin, Narco, morphine sulfate, etc) and cannabis. Just a word of warning some of them can be very dense, I suggest you stick with human subjects.

And there was a reference in this thread to a press release by GW Pharmaceuticals that says that sativa is better for pain.

Good luck,
Garbrial
 
SquishMitten

SquishMitten

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@SirTitanium

I'm sorry about what has happened to you... chronic pain is one of the worst things a person can live with. People forget you are still in pain many days, months, or years after the incident...

That being said, I do not believe that cannabis is even close to as effective a painkiller as any of the opiod receptor agonists. It merely augments the pain, making it more manageable. This doesn't mean I don't think it's effective or has a place in medicine, quite the opposite.

Instead I question how and why you are in the manner of pain you are in. To be on something as strong as fentanyl is a pretty tall order to overcome with marijuana... in fact I'm not quite sure that it can be done. Strictly speaking, opiates are the best painkillers... without a doubt. Without having any further knowledge of your medication and disease profile, I'd say you have a strongly somatic pain... aka nerve pain, or something that isn't physically present but is instead transiently existent, like for instance, when you hit your funny bone. In specific, if someone pokes you on a bruise, your whole arm feels the pain instead of just at one point. A general comparison but accurate?

Anyway, I'd like to hear more from where you're coming from. I don't know why you chose this post to start talking.. but it's intriguing. I'm a pharmacy major a year short from graduating and I hope to be some manner of a missing link between the pharmaceutical/medical field and marijuana. I find this extremely interesting and I feel there is much to be had with combination therapy of opiates and cannabis.
 
Alexoxox

Alexoxox

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i dont choose between either, give me a bag with 8 different colors and sizes and ill roll it all into one fatty.

Good Business.
 
Alexoxox

Alexoxox

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SquishMitten said:
@SirTitanium

I'm sorry about what has happened to you... chronic pain is one of the worst things a person can live with. People forget you are still in pain many days, months, or years after the incident...

That being said, I do not believe that cannabis is even close to as effective a painkiller as any of the opiod receptor agonists. It merely augments the pain, making it more manageable. This doesn't mean I don't think it's effective or has a place in medicine, quite the opposite.

Instead I question how and why you are in the manner of pain you are in. To be on something as strong as fentanyl is a pretty tall order to overcome with marijuana... in fact I'm not quite sure that it can be done. Strictly speaking, opiates are the best painkillers... without a doubt. Without having any further knowledge of your medication and disease profile, I'd say you have a strongly somatic pain... aka nerve pain, or something that isn't physically present but is instead transiently existent, like for instance, when you hit your funny bone. In specific, if someone pokes you on a bruise, your whole arm feels the pain instead of just at one point. A general comparison but accurate?

Anyway, I'd like to hear more from where you're coming from. I don't know why you chose this post to start talking.. but it's intriguing. I'm a pharmacy major a year short from graduating and I hope to be some manner of a missing link between the pharmaceutical/medical field and marijuana. I find this extremely interesting and I feel there is much to be had with combination therapy of opiates and cannabis.
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This was very good reading here, are you still in college?

i have extreme back pain when i was hit by a car about 4 years ago while crossing a highway, i smoke everyday to help maintain the pain i have.

Its very hard to describe the pain, its a constant thing, but cannabis doesnt exactly relieve my pain, it more of lets me stop thinking about it.

Im in trust that thc doesnt kill pain like they say it does.

it just helps get your mental state off the fact that it currently exists, like as if you were to take an oc or opana for pain relief, it would ultimately block all incoming pain for any circumstance, same with codene and such.

The doctors have told me that nothing is scanning back bad in my tests, but it must be nerve related, wish i could figure it out
 
smokeymcpotz

smokeymcpotz

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sativa would be nice if i wantd to take a tolerence break... i been smokin some bubble hash and grandaddy purp lately that got my tolerence all fuckd up lol
 
theexpress

theexpress

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smokeymcpotz said:
sativa would be nice if i wantd to take a tolerence break... i been smokin some bubble hash and grandaddy purp lately that got my tolerence all fuckd up lol
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i find that my tolerence grows nasty to sativas....... to the point were they barely get me high anymre.... i dont mind some sativa dom strains.. like an ak47.. but fuck a pure sativa
 
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bebot337

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Question- don't you have it backwards? isn't indica a mind high and sativa a body high? please excuse me if i'm completely wrong.
 
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