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eric907

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k, im harvesting my babys in stages since i didnt have 'nuff light on the bottom buds... but there gradually filling in though.

ive grown males b4 and know the difference around the nodes. the plants have been flowering for well.. about 11 weeks now and ive been cutting the buds that are done and moving the CFL light closer. but what ive noticed on 1 of the middle nodes is started to produce the male "balls" under the stem of the flower.

im not exactlly concerned since it was just 1 but is it possible for it to produce the male organs during female flowering by inducing stress to produce seeds?
 
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vncist00

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i would think its possible, but stress wouldnt only induce males, it might inhibit developmental growth after the stressor..including flowers and more.
 
onenumcat

onenumcat

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stress, such as harvesting little by little, can sometimes cause a female to go hermie. that's a fact.
 
onenumcat

onenumcat

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haha, yeah, that is funny.
but, stress doesn't always have the same effect on
each plant...just like in humans.

this is a fact. stress raises the probability of a female
to become hermie.
 
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fureelz

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Yes it can turn on you..Even banana without seed pods too. :(
 
onenumcat

onenumcat

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vncist00 said:
can u get really high with a male bud smoke?
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'really high'? not sure about that, but bodack is correct, they do produce TCH, and it depends on the percentage produced.
I can get 'pretty' high with the vaporizer. smoking bowls/joints might make you sleepy since there is probably more CBN than THC.
 
smokeybandit22

smokeybandit22

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stressing late in flowering, studies have shown, can increase the trichome and THC production. harvesting buds over time is not necessarily stress inducing if done properly, i.e dont cut the main cola, but do gut the flower tops of the stems.
it is quite common for females to spit out balls if ur harvest has been going on a long time. i.e. over 10 weeks for an indica and over 14 weeks for a sativa.
 
onenumcat

onenumcat

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smokeybandit22 said:
stressing late in flowering, studies have shown, can increase the trichome and THC production. harvesting buds over time is not necessarily stress inducing if done properly, i.e dont cut the main cola, but do gut the flower tops of the stems.
it is quite common for females to spit out balls if ur harvest has been going on a long time. i.e. over 10 weeks for an indica and over 14 weeks for a sativa.
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hey, thanks for that info. good info. I always wondered about that type of stress. if THC is a deterrent to animals from eating the plant, then would it not produce more if it felt threatened. on the other hand, as I think, if THC is produced as an attractant, like nectar in other plants, wouldn't it, again, produce more in response to the attention it's receiving. ie; being eaten, picked...

good to know, as I'm growing Super Silver Haze now, plus 5 other strains that are mixed sativas, but look mostly like indica plants...anyway, I was planning to flower those SSH for 14wks.
thanks
 
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vncist00

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wut is a good average thc content in males- at least in comparison to females-lets say a hedi female bud had 15%, how much would an equivalent male ball have?

and yes...we all know its variable, just wondering if anybody has an good approximate.
 
smokeybandit22

smokeybandit22

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onenumcat said:
hey, thanks for that info. good info. I always wondered about that type of stress. if THC is a deterrent to animals from eating the plant, then would it not produce more if it felt threatened. on the other hand, as I think, if THC is produced as an attractant, like nectar in other plants, wouldn't it, again, produce more in response to the attention it's receiving. ie; being eaten, picked...

good to know, as I'm growing Super Silver Haze now, plus 5 other strains that are mixed sativas, but look mostly like indica plants...anyway, I was planning to flower those SSH for 14wks.
thanks
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here is some specific info:
Wounding of the plant has been employed as a method to increase resin production (Emboden 1972). This increase may be a response to desiccation above the point of vascular disruption. Under natural circumstances, wounding most often occurs as a result of insect attack. This is a source of environmental stress which the production of terpenes and cannabinoids may be able to minimize. Cannabis is subject to few predators (Smith and Haney 1973, Stannard et al. 1970) and has even been utilized in powdered or extract form as an insecticide (Bouquet 1950) or repellent (Khare et al. 1974). Its apparent defensive mechanisms include a generous covering of non-glandular trichomes, emission of volatile terpenoid substances, and exudation of the sticky cannabinoids. Cannabis is often noted for its aromatic quality and many of the terpenes produced are known to possess insect-repellent properties. Among these are alpha and beta pinene, limonene, terpineol and borneol. Pinenes and limonene comprise over 75% of the volatiles detected in the surrounding atmosphere, but account for only 7% of the essential oil (Hood et al. 1973). Consistent with glandular trichome density and cannabinoid content, more of these terpenes are produced by the inflorescences than the leaves, and their occurrence is also greater in the female plant (Martin et al. 1961).

No insect toxicity studies using isolated cannabinoids have been published to date. Rothschild et al. (1977) found THC-rich Mexican (vs. CBD-rich Turkish) Cannabis fatal to tiger moth (Arctia caja) larvae, but not Nigerian grasshopper (Zonocerus elegans) nymphs. Rothschild and Fairbairn (1980) later found that pure THC (vs. CBD) sprayed on cabbage leaves, does repel the large white cabbage butterfly (Pieris brassicae).

The cannabinoids may also serve as a purely mechanical defense. A tiny creature crossing the leaf surface could rupture the tenuously attached globular resin reservoirs of the glandular trichomes (Ledbetter and Krikorian 1975) and become ensnared in resin. A sizable chewing insect, if able to overcome these defenses, would still have difficulty chewing the gummy resin, along with the cystolithic trichomes and silicified covering trichomes also present on the leaf. The utility of these epidermal features as insect antifeedants is also inferable from their predominant occurrence on the insect-favored abaxial leaf surface. Although the above strategies represent a seemingly sophisticated system, many other plants (Levin 1973) and even arthropods (Eisner 1970) utilize similar defense mechanisms, often employing identical terpenes!



and here is the full link-very interesting read
http://www.gardenscure.com/420/harvesting-drying-storage/83247-trichomes-process-turning-amber.html
 
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rohw0016

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you probably have urself a herm. male/female it happens, dont know how it will affect the rest of ur grow keep us posted.
 
onenumcat

onenumcat

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awesome smokeybandit, thanks, again, for more interesting facts.
it's a good thing insects are to stupid, or too small, to appreciate a good
thing. more for us!
most plants create a type of symbiosis with animals...or vise versa.
I wonder if we, humans, were the target for the cannabis plant??
 
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vncist00

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okay: don't take main cola off-check. when you say gut the flower tops of the stems, that means that u can cut the other main flowers? and which way is the best way to cut without inducing too much stress?
 
jsgrwn

jsgrwn

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if you are trying to get seeds the "stress" should have come far sooner if you are already harvesting in stages. it takes several weeks for a good seed to develop. jus my 2 cents. late
 
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vncist00

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no, im not trying to get seeds, just buds. so is it okay to pick off a lower bud when in ~ a three week window of its final development? Also there is a segment on some of my buds that have stopped growing white pistils, they have all converted into deep color- is it okay to pick these off? is this a sign of a mature bud?

(no im not talking about trichomes) just pistils of a bud that has stopped growing more pistils.
 
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