Induction Lights? The newest (supposedly) technology in Induction Grow Lights

Is it just me or is induction lightingthe same concept as neon filled with a different noble gas? And I believe there is mercury involved. I'm not sure how specifically tailored the spectrum can be.

phosphors are what makes the difference. From what I understand all flouro's use the same gas.

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/appliance_standards/residential/pdfs/app_3c_lamps_standards_final_tsd.pdf

puffenuff said:

How about iGROW vs. Inda-gro???? That seems like the most important comparison that needs to be done. As someone who is interested in induction lighting, I'd be more interested to know which induction company takes the cake.

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No I'll do the side by side with the AF51 not some other induction company that no serious grower even uses. Interesting that all the cool aid drinkers are trying to talk me out of it. It'll be fair that much I promise you. The results WILL speak for themselves.

nothing but rambling here...unsubbed

gordobo said:

Beef to the rescue!!! Well if that is the general consensus amongst the esteemed LED brain trust than that is what we'll do. But I'm curious;
why do we have to wait for the newest release? What was the matter with the previous versions?
We will be comparing these new AF51 lights veg - flower right?
What is the actual wattage of each of these lights?
What is the cost of each of these lights?
Where do you recommend us buying them from for the best price/service?

Unlike other LED shills on this site I intend on paying for the products not getting them donated or sending them back for a refund once the grow is done. Once I prove my point I'll make you a deal on them for 1/2 off what I paid for them so you can carry on with your incessant promotion of your xmas tree lights.

BTW I mean all this in good spirits. I'll be getting a quality camera with my next check then I'm going to let the garden speak for itself.

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Use whatever you want... lol

My old ass panel that's two generations old will beat your iJUNK.

The new generation of lights that are twice as efficient, will carve the tombstone for your induction lights.


I wish E.H. would respond, and shut you the fuck up.

You scared of inda gro. Definitely a rambling salesaman who screwed the pooch. Nothing more here.

I bet you dont even have any lights. Never have grown. Just full of shit. Stuck on igrows tip.

gordobo said:

and what LED is that you're spammin today K? Anyone that has followed your steaming mass of bullshit knows you are completely in bed with the Chinese and LED's to the extent that you can't admit it when another technology is positioned to wipe your little xmas tree lights off of any growers radar much less the serious growers who never gave them a second look since they can't compare to the HID's they've been using. Until now.

You, Beef and Hyroot all sleep in the same bed but let me tell you where you're going to have problems with that little menage e trois. Your beloved Chinese are the number cyber threat in the world. They are constantly hacking US mfg computer systems in an attempt to steal our intellectual properties than bring their finished products to market with lower quality materials and slave labor rates. I don't believe they put as much of an impetus on stealing from the UK since there is so little of IP value over there anyway. But before you get all butt hurt, consider this. I have nothing against free market economics. I think you should cover yourself in cheap Chinese crap whenever you feel the need to do so. Your admitting that you have considerable dealings with HK and various Chinese enterprises tells me all I need to know. But to shoot down me or others here that simply want to expand the knowledge of those who wish to consider induction in general and iGROW in particular as a long life, energy efficient, low heat, option over the HID lamps that they have grown so accustomed to using is a sinister campaign by those who engage in this kind of misinformation.

Look iGROW freely admits to partnering with Full Spectrum Solutions who is the number one induction lighting manufacturer in the world. Their products are all built in the USA. Specifically in Jackson MI. Michigan is a pro-union state that I am proud to say pays their employees a livable wage, retirement, healthcare, etc. The big three automakers are all located in Michigan and if you haven't noticed all of them have come back stronger than ever! And that is because of the cooperation between the unions and the employers! Everyone in THIS country benefits from our democracy. As a proud union member I'm happy to say that it was my brothers efforts that got one of this countries greatest presidents ever re-elected for another 4 years! And today is his inauguration. A man of color can reach the top of the most powerful country in the free world's peak of political power. The people have spoken. We don't need your backhanded affirmation of our country or it's peoples character because you happen to have some relatives living here. What a load of rubbish.

A side by side with an iGROW 400 watt veg/flower combination run for cannabis (Blue Dream) is being prepared. The decision on which of your precious LED panels will remain open but we will insist on the panel being rated for equal or lesser wattage and be able to run from veg - flower. The journal will be a new thread on RIU and updated weekly. Everything will be kept exactly equal with the exception of the lighting. Upon conclusion I will have the results, including GCMS testing of the final product so you can see for yourself what it is that you wankers have been so stridently dismissing.

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OK

Your a fucking idiot mate did you even look at the spectral graph and think a bit before chatting your shit about me ?

The light I am peddling today is not made in china its not made anywhere on this planet it`s totally free and if you had any understanding of light you could see that, I mean no one in their right mind would put that spike between 500 and 600nm unless they wanted to grow bacteria and algae too.

Can you guess it yet ? you know everyone on here is laughing at YOU right now right ?

That my friend is what SUN LIGHT looks like you fucking ignorant fool

now plants and in this case namely MJ do not use that whole middle chunk as algae use that best so they evolved to use what algae and Bactria do not use they most effectively use 600nm to around 660nm and 2nd more effectively use about 430nm to 500nm

I was mainly putting that up to show that the china made 2832k has the same kind of spikes as sunlight does for the ranges that MJ uses best and skips out the bits that algae and Bactria as well as some fungus`s and other plants like saving you on wasting power creating them waves or partials (depending on how you think of light) that MJ does not use effectively

That`s the spec of sunlight in summer time in the Sacramento area of CA on a particularly sunny day after you`d shouted some bullshit about it I was going to say

"Hyroot you can see from that chart that as long as your getting a decent level of light all your 5000k induction should need is a touch of red like I said before and you should get similar results to CA grown sunshine weed as long as you get your intensity high enough I`d set up so that i was hitting at least 2000 par at the canopy (on a budget) but as I`m willing to go to that extra expense to get better results 3000 at the canopy would be what I`d aim for"

Don`t worry about adding too much in the way of 630nm as I`ve seen plants grown with just 630nm plus you can always chuck in some white leds if your feeling fancy

Only down side to using loads of extra 630nm leds is that sometimes you`ll have to feed extra cal/mag but I don`t see that as a problem myself.

Now that we know you don`t read please read my next reply to what you had to say

This is a forum not a post-it board at least read what people say before you start insulting them !

Also don`t you dare say your Country is equal your Country a land where the rich stay rich and the poor are left to die if need be

Look south my friend how long ago did Katrina hit ? and you still have vast area`s of fucked up house`s and land people who are STILL homeless from that disaster and insurance company's that will still not pay out !

Hospitals in your country would not too many years ago not treat people due to the colour of their skin !

but now they will refuse treatment due to insurance ? In the uk and all of Europe if your sick and you go to a hospital guess what ?

Yeah they treat you !

Look at a fucking map and realize that almost everything you see on that map was part of the Great British Empire ! an Empire that was set not only taken held and defended for longer then your country has existed but also industrialized and improved.

Also in tern as times changed and the Nazi`s were defeated these countries were given independence, the USA did what it had to they shed blood and sucked off the French but still I`m half Cypriot so I know how it really feels to have an invading army hold your country from you.

China hack the USA`s computers ? Big deal what do you think your country does to every country on the planet huh ?

If you knew the 1st thing about how I grow or how I think you`d know that I use LED, induction and cfl`s whenever I can over using HID I do use HID when I have to but never on a grow anyone on this site will see

(Sorry guys there`s some things an outlaw just can`t post on the net)

I seriously doubt any induction tube lights are being made in the usa and I seriously doubt that Chines company's need to hack a computer to stead light data when they are asked to make such lights for USA based company`s

If there is any benefit to USA brand induction lights it would be this

1. they may be closer to you

2. Their electronic components made be made in the usa and could be slightly more efficent or give off less heat

In reality I very much doubt this please get over the cold war buddy Russia, China, Japan, India and so on can all make just as good of a product as the USA can

Infact the best LCD tv`s come from Asia Samsung has the best factory in the world for that stuff no one else can match the products they can make they even produce most of Sony`s screens

I deal with Asia a lot due to the fact I play Airsoft an all airsoft equipment is pretty much exclusively made in Asia as the sport is much bigger over there and they can not legally own AR`s and such weapons so they made airsoft.

gordobo said:

No I'll do the side by side with the AF51 not some other induction company that no serious grower even uses. Interesting that all the cool aid drinkers are trying to talk me out of it. It'll be fair that much I promise you. The results WILL speak for themselves.

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Here`s the grow`s I`d like to see

All hydro all the same nutes but ppm`s pushed up on what plants can take it and what plants cant

All plants are clones taken from the same mum rooted at the same time and left to veg under t5`s till rooted

then the following lights used for flower:

2 plants under 200w inda-gro

2 plants under 200w i-grow

2 plants under 200w 3000k china ebay induction

2 plants under 1 x van Q led or budzilla either the 200w or 300w model

2 plants under 200w of new area 51 lights

2 plants under 100w of A-51 lights and 100w of induction

2 plants under 100w of van q and 100w of induction


I would assume that the winner of the induction grows would be used to mix it up with the leds

Personally I would just save myself the hassle and use a mix of LED and Induction oh wait I did..................


Sorry guys if you read all of that lol

I just can`t take people spouting shit I mean I do my best to progress the human race I see many things we do wrong everyday and I try not to lose my rag over it but some times I just have to fire off at someone.

I held back a lot otherwise I`d probably take up a few pages lol

K you're a bloody riot with your gotcha graph. You throw this as it should be obvious to EVERYONE that this represents sunlight in an attempt to prove your superior intellect. That's not why we share on these forums. In fact as I looked at it I thought sunlight based on relative intensities but I also thought the spectrum was covered much like you'd see on the CMH-HPS lamps that Kite has been using quite successfully. The reason we grow indoors is so we can manage every aspect of the indoor environment which includes lighting photoperiods and wavelengths that the plants want at two distinctly different points in their life veg and flower. Again Kite covered this beautifully in the charts he posted up earlier on this thread. You should really check them out to confirm for yourself the importance of these wavelengths during these specific periods of growth.

This is the graph he put up earlier showing CMH. Not sunlight but you get the idea.

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Just to be clear, I am NOT associated with iGROW nor am I interested in testing any other brands of induction grow lights. I am just impressed with what iGROW has brought to the community and intend on doing my own side by side comparisons with a couple of LED panels that purport to deliver yields on par with HID for a fraction of the wattage and heat. This is information that should benefit us all. I'll be back on this thread to post up the images and would appreciate any respectful contributions along the way.

I just read this entire thread. Amazing how bad some of you make iGrow look, I just read to learn about induction. I have 0 interest in buying induction but if their product is any indication on how you reps (And yes you are) try to sell it, I would never even look that way just based on how childish and ignorant you portray yourselves. No hate just truth, and sometimes truth hurts.

SG

100 qualified sales people couldn't repair the damage you've done to iGROW's business in this single thead.


I sure hope you're not a rep.... or you're tbe worst rep ever.

I might just give him some rep for persistence I feel sorry for the OP and I-grow

Thanks Gordo they just got slated really bad lol

I might email I-grow and just ask who in china makes there tubes and Inda-grow too just to see what they say

I like hps lights there cheap, have good penetration and make ok weed great for large scale fast growing, their bad points are too much orange not enough blue and red and too much heat and that they could be more efficient and the ballasts are heavy as fuck.

The reason I grow inside is if I grew outside I would most likely have people try to steal my crop sun weed is way cheaper and I can grow much bigger plants as my outside garden is much much bigger then my grow tent is.

Also nice work on optimization guys if I google "I-grow induction" this page is the 1st hit ! lol

No reason to feel sorry at all. I'm sure the OP just got busy on something else. It happens. But as far as I'm concerned I think it's great that Google shows this forum near the top of the search list. It means even more people will become aware of this technology and what it represents for the best plant growth from any other lamp source. Everyone who has helped shape this thread now helps iGROW get free advertising their products. Thanks for spreading the word even though I'm sure it was not your intent. I predict the side by side will finally bring you remaining skeptics around!

* iGROW® was developed through research with top plant lighting scientists at the Ohio State University, The U.S. Department of Agriculture-USDA and the University of Maryland.
* A technology invented by Nikola Tesla 120 years ago intended to benefit mankind is now... iGROW®, Induction Technology for superior crop production
* iGROW® is a tool for growers, designed and engineered for a single purpose; to efficiently grow superior plants in any environment for any application
* iGROW® was field tested and proven with top tier U.S. and Canadian retailers, commercial greenhouse growers and experienced home gardeners

gordobo said:

No reason to feel sorry at all. I'm sure the OP just got busy on something else. It happens. But as far as I'm concerned I think it's great that Google shows this forum near the top of the search list. It means even more people will become aware of this technology and what it represents for the best plant growth from any other lamp source. Everyone who has helped shape this thread now helps iGROW get free advertising their products. Thanks for spreading the word even though I'm sure it was not your intent. I predict the side by side will finally bring you remaining skeptics around!

* iGROW® was developed through research with top plant lighting scientists at the Ohio State University, The U.S. Department of Agriculture-USDA and the University of Maryland.
* A technology invented by Nikola Tesla 120 years ago intended to benefit mankind is now... iGROW®, Induction Technology for superior crop production
* iGROW® is a tool for growers, designed and engineered for a single purpose; to efficiently grow superior plants in any environment for any application
* iGROW® was field tested and proven with top tier U.S. and Canadian retailers, commercial greenhouse growers and experienced home gardeners

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You forgot to mention the "Free bottle of Snake Oil", with every purchase.

I went to Grener's website last night looking at light movers and they have a new Light Induction section, they generally carry trusted/mainstream products as anyone knows who has ever been to the site; they even have a huge LED section now from a ton of different vendors however I noticed that within that light induction area that iGrow is not there and Inda-Grow is along with TWO other vendors..... I was just wondering since in my mind Grener's is a top tier retailer why is it not there? No flaming, just wondering....

SG

(Ready for flames)

ahh Beef! You never quit. You may be the last to admit you were wrong but admit you will.

Sanibel I've never heard of greners so I can't see where they'd be a top tier retailer but let's just say they were. I would recommend contacting them and you'll find out that they probably sell less indogrow than these other brands. If they were to take on iGROW they would find that in rather short order there would be fewer and fewer requests for any of the other brands they carry since none of them has done the product development and university research that iGROW has.

I wouldn't make any determinations on why iGROW isn't up on their site just yet. It may be that iGROW requires the dealer to be exclusive to their products or it might be greners is waiting to be approved as a vendor which can take a while.

gordobo said:

ahh Beef! You never quit. You may be the last to admit you were wrong but admit you will.

Sanibel I've never heard of greners so I can't see where they'd be a top tier retailer but let's just say they were. I would recommend contacting them and you'll find out that they probably sell less indogrwo than these other brands. If they were to take on iGROW they would find that in rather short order there would be less requests for any of the other brands since none of them have had the product development that iGROW has. I wouldn't make any determinations on why iGROW isn't on their site yet. They may just waiting to be approved as a vendor which can take a while.

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I'm not saying they won't grow bud. CFL's and flouro tubes grow some nice bud too for a literal fraction of the price.

I'm blasting you for your blatant over-statement of the power of iGROW and for your constant slander of already established methods, like LED. There are so many journals showing clearly that legitimate LED panels grow top quality bud, yet you keep running your mouth, spouting off about LED's being 'Christmas tree lights'.

You're employing the absolute lowest of the low for advertising tactics, bashing the competition; have fun with that, you are among some savvy consumers....

The bottom line is that no iGROW panels have grown bud, so all your talk about 'perfect spectrums' and the rest of your hyperbole, is just speculation at this point. They grow strawberries, lettuce and tomatoes, but this is a Marijuana forum not 'Vegetables Anonymous'. So, until you can show they grow bud, and grow bud in such an extraordinary way, that they warrant a $1200 price tag when comparable units are a fraction of the price, people are going to call you out on your bullshit speculations.

Spliff just harvested, has a video and pics:

https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/506257-inda-gro-induction-104.html#post8570871

The price is very reasonable when you consider they put out only 20% of the heat of an HID and you're going to get a FIVE YEAR warranty! No lamps to replace and that is even factoring the one lamp veg or flower, you pick, that comes with the light @ $1,200.00. The other lamp is only $375.00. So the initial cost is going to be a bit more but you'll cover cost in the first grow.

gordobo said:

The price is very reasonable when you consider they put out only 20% of the heat of an HID and you're going to get a FIVE YEAR warranty! No lamps to replace and that is even factoring the one lamp veg or flower, you pick, that comes with the light @ $1,200.00. The other lamp is only $375.00. So the initial cost is going to be a bit more but you'll cover cost in the first grow.

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I disagree. I don't think $1200 for an induction lamp is even close to worth it, especially not when we know the PAR numbers already....

Keep in mind that some of us look for 'alternatives' because we get raped with .32kWh electricity.

My buddy in Utah has .09kWh flat rate so no worries for him.