injunction/court case updates

oddish · Mar 10, 2015

This thread would be much easier if we just linked to the tweets (they're also more readable there) and used the messages here to discuss specific ones worth discussing. Otherwise this thing will hit 200 pages and anyone not at their computer is immediately lost.

Just my $0.02

R.Raider · Mar 10, 2015

doingdishes said:
this is a witness for the crown??

I could be wrong but I thought this was Conroy's guy.

doingdishes · Mar 10, 2015

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Moen: Chief Garis formed his opinions from bias and committed "well known fallacies" Moen agrees that potentially anyone could look these up
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Moen said that his expertise is in qualitative research and has experience producing academic papers that demand an understanding of method

doingdishes · Mar 10, 2015

R.Raider said:
I could be wrong but I thought this was Conroy's guy.

i think you are right...i just read "rebuttal witness"...oops

doingdishes · Mar 10, 2015

here's an article by Holmquist but his story really differs from the one he told in court under oath!
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-to-criminal-abuse-rcmp-says/article16950605/

he said he'd been to one medical grow but “In my experience investigating (medical marijuana) grow locations, I have found that there is an overwhelming temptation for … growers to sell marijuana to supplement their income.”....???
stories change under oath don't they

doingdishes · Mar 10, 2015

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Moen: part of controlling for bias and alternative opinion is written in the language of his paper - not necessary in a "heading"
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Crown: the word "bias" doesn't appear in your paper at all

doingdishes · Mar 10, 2015

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Crown very interested in the word "tablecloth" in Moen's paper. Crown pointing out several instances of the word. Not sure why

doingdishes · Mar 10, 2015

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Moen agrees that the term "tablecloth" appears several times in his thesis, because the issue figured prominently in his report
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Crown asked: if bias was a large part of your paper, wouldn't you use the word "bias" a lot in your paper, like the word "tablecloth"?
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Moen: concepts of bias are inherently understood by university peers and scholars so doesn't need to be explicitly stated as Crown suggested

doingdishes · Mar 10, 2015

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Moen agrees that he's the leader of the #Libertarian Party of #Canada @LibertarianCDN - Crown reading Moen's biography about his experience
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Crown: the word "Libertarian" didn't appear in his thesis because it's not about libertarianism. Moen disagrees and said concepts…
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…in his paper were drawn from Libertarian philosophy and how it could be applied to fire and safety methods and coercion in workplace

CalyxCrusher · Mar 10, 2015

Ah yes, the table cloth defense.........................

Definitely sounded better in his head I'm sure. I like Moen's reply, with a bit of reading between the lines of course: "concepts of bias are inherently understood by university educated and intelligent people so it doesn't need to be explicitly stated as Crown suggested because they do not understand.

EDIT: And now they're on to attacking his personal views(Libertarianism) which has nothing to do with this case, if his work is peer reviewed.

R.Raider · Mar 10, 2015

CalyxCrusher said:
Ah yes, the table cloth defense........................

lol

doingdishes · Mar 10, 2015

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Crown tried to get Moen to agree that his paper is not actually a "thesis" in the strict sense of the definition at Royal Roads University
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Moen: An "Organization Learning Project" like his report was considered a thesis at the time he completed but not published or peer-reviewed

doingdishes · Mar 10, 2015

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Moen has worked as a fireman and paramedic for 14 years and watched Surrey Fire Chief Len Garis testify in court yesterday
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Moen agrees with Crown that he has not been to an MMAR grow or conducted a study looking at MMAR growing operations
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Crown: where is it stated in the Garis report that a properly constructed MMAR poses an increased fire risk to residential buildings?

doingdishes · Mar 10, 2015

Crown: where is it stated in the Garis report that a properly constructed MMAR poses an increased fire risk to residential buildings?-why is the crown asking that?? sounds like it should come from our side

doingdishes · Mar 10, 2015

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Moen would need a "bit of time" to find instances, but believes Garis draws conclusions that MMAR poses a public fire safety hazard

R.Raider · Mar 10, 2015

Cannabis Culture @CannabisCulture · 5 mins5 minutes ago
Moen: Garis positing that properly constructed MMAR pose an added safety threat and I disagree with that but may have worded incorrectly

doingdishes · Mar 10, 2015

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Moen: Garis positing that properly constructed MMAR pose an added safety threat and I disagree with that but may have worded incorrectly
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Moen needs to see evidence before agreeing with Crown counsel that improper MMAR setups cause an increase risk
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Moen jokes it would be the safest thing to ban houses altogether, but that is not feasible. He said inspection is partly education

R.Raider · Mar 10, 2015

Cannabis Culture @CannabisCulture · 4 mins4 minutes ago
Moen needs to see evidence before agreeing with Crown counsel that improper MMAR setups cause an increase risk

R.Raider · Mar 10, 2015

Cannabis Culture @CannabisCulture · 2 mins2 minutes ago
Moen said he has not taken a closer look at Garis report since writing his initial criticism. Looking though paragraphs in the documents

R.Raider · Mar 10, 2015

Cannabis Culture @CannabisCulture · 3 secs3 seconds ago
Moen going over his perceived discrepancies in Garis paper. Crown asks if he doesn't understand. Moen: There seem to be some contradictions

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